im looking at trying trueflight out in abyssea, i havent a general set i use for it already, which could be better i guess, what do you think i should replace with and what atmas should i be using?
the mittens have agi +4 subtle blow +3 and snap shot +2 on them
and the skopos visor has agi +5 (total of 8 agi) on it.
Trueflight
Trueflight
since this topic is so ronry here is a slight update: i tried it out in altepa with baying moon/beyond/sea daughter atma's and aside from a couple resists i was doing pretty decent dmg.
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GH should be decent for dmg. As is griffon claw. Of course ultimate.
If you are /nin I think trilling dagger +agi might be better. Not sure would have to go out and test it's dmg can't remember if it was 10% or 15%.
I use MKD hat with +2% ws dmg and ACP body with 4 MAB...
But barring stuff like that...
Head: Bersail Cap
Neck: ugg unless fullmoon
Body: Sylvan Caban +2
hands: Seiryu's Kote
ring: 2nd 7 stat ring. Or one of the higher MAB demon rings.
Waist: elemental belt or Sveltesse Gouriz
Legs: Ambusher's Hose or denali
feet: +2 obviously
If you are /nin I think trilling dagger +agi might be better. Not sure would have to go out and test it's dmg can't remember if it was 10% or 15%.
I use MKD hat with +2% ws dmg and ACP body with 4 MAB...
But barring stuff like that...
Head: Bersail Cap
Neck: ugg unless fullmoon
Body: Sylvan Caban +2
hands: Seiryu's Kote
ring: 2nd 7 stat ring. Or one of the higher MAB demon rings.
Waist: elemental belt or Sveltesse Gouriz
Legs: Ambusher's Hose or denali
feet: +2 obviously
Also maybe virtus crossbow
Asura.Matzilla said:
Bahamut.Dasva said:
Asura.Matzilla said:
Holy Mountain and Ultimate Atmas for sure. Third Atma I'm a little less certain of. As Dasva said you can see if the AGI bonus from GH is more effective than than 30MAB. Also Smiting Blow's TP bonus might trump it.
I can say that Martial Gun will put out the largest Trueflight numbers in terms of all marksmanship weapons. Obviosuly you take a hit to DPS when shooting. Unfortunately there are no xbows with TP bonuses.
This is all in regards maximizing Trueflight damage itself; using Sea Daughter has different benefits as I'm sure you are aware.
I can say that Martial Gun will put out the largest Trueflight numbers in terms of all marksmanship weapons. Obviosuly you take a hit to DPS when shooting. Unfortunately there are no xbows with TP bonuses.
This is all in regards maximizing Trueflight damage itself; using Sea Daughter has different benefits as I'm sure you are aware.
It would seem like Atma of the Beyond would be rape for this WS (+30MAB and then +30% damage modifier after everything else is calculated)... or am I missing something.
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Asura.Yunalaysca said:
Bahamut.Dasva said:
Asura.Matzilla said:
It's enhance abilities are kinda useless right now. As are the additional effects. And if you are using trueflight might as well take advantage of the fact it doesn't use base dmg to spam shots with something low delayed.
so i take it holy mountain, ultimate and beyond are the best atma for the ws dmg (beyond is mab AND light dmg major)
as for martial gun, wouldnt you take it a hit for not having the vertex bolt option? also yeah DPS outside the ws would blow pretty hard :S
as for martial gun, wouldnt you take it a hit for not having the vertex bolt option? also yeah DPS outside the ws would blow pretty hard :S
Bahamut.Dasva said:
Asura.Yunalaysca said:
Bahamut.Dasva said:
Asura.Matzilla said:
It's enhance abilities are kinda useless right now. As are the additional effects. And if you are using trueflight might as well take advantage of the fact it doesn't use base dmg to spam shots with something low delayed.
Cerberus.Wojo said:
It would seem like Atma of the Beyond would be rape for this WS (+30MAB and then +30% damage modifier after everything else is calculated)... or am I missing something.
Was surprised no one else mentioned it.
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Shiva.Khimaira said:
Cerberus.Wojo said:
It would seem like Atma of the Beyond would be rape for this WS (+30MAB and then +30% damage modifier after everything else is calculated)... or am I missing something.
Was surprised no one else mentioned it.
Siren.Deric said:
Holy Mountain and Ultimate Atmas for sure. Third Atma I'm a little less certain of. As Dasva said you can see if the AGI bonus from GH is more effective than than 30MAB. Also Smiting Blow's TP bonus might trump it.
beyond does the same thing as holy mountain + also gives 30 MAB. So you will be using beyond which means only mountain should only add 23% dmg.
I'd say the highest dmg set of atmas not brewing would be ultimate, beyond and for last slot GH holy mountain or hell's guardian are about the same. Hell's gaurdian will probably barely be top though.
Griffin claw coming in close next places
on a side note, what is your opinion on the ws? should i just scrap it and work on jishnu, or is it really worth the use? standard tp attacks would do around 100 dmg + 100+ light dmg, and i dont know how the ws would turn out with the proper gear. so i was really feeling out how the general populace felt about using the ws, barring rng being allowed in abyssea.
Asura.Yunalaysca said:
on a side note, what is your opinion on the ws? should i just scrap it and work on jishnu, or is it really worth the use? standard tp attacks would do around 100 dmg + 100+ light dmg, and i dont know how the ws would turn out with the proper gear. so i was really feeling out how the general populace felt about using the ws, barring rng being allowed in abyssea.
Bahamut.Dasva said:
Asura.Yunalaysca said:
on a side note, what is your opinion on the ws? should i just scrap it and work on jishnu, or is it really worth the use? standard tp attacks would do around 100 dmg + 100+ light dmg, and i dont know how the ws would turn out with the proper gear. so i was really feeling out how the general populace felt about using the ws, barring rng being allowed in abyssea.
Asura.Yunalaysca said:
Bahamut.Dasva said:
Asura.Yunalaysca said:
on a side note, what is your opinion on the ws? should i just scrap it and work on jishnu, or is it really worth the use? standard tp attacks would do around 100 dmg + 100+ light dmg, and i dont know how the ws would turn out with the proper gear. so i was really feeling out how the general populace felt about using the ws, barring rng being allowed in abyssea.
Meh that's your belief but this is what I believe
Bahamut.Dasva said:
Asura.Yunalaysca said:
Bahamut.Dasva said:
Asura.Yunalaysca said:
on a side note, what is your opinion on the ws? should i just scrap it and work on jishnu, or is it really worth the use? standard tp attacks would do around 100 dmg + 100+ light dmg, and i dont know how the ws would turn out with the proper gear. so i was really feeling out how the general populace felt about using the ws, barring rng being allowed in abyssea.
Meh that's your belief but this is what I believe
also yeah idk with the rolls cor gets not to mention better mab gear i figured it's better off in cor's hands. vertex bolt atleast makes up for it with trueflight.
Asura.Yunalaysca said:
that and the atma doesnt exactly align properly like beyond and holy mountain do for trueflight.
Not sure what you were using for subjob in that pick but looks like you had tonic up and vs those same mobs with sea daugher, lone wolf and beyond I was doing 4.3k with ascetics on rng/sam. And I'd say my build wasn't quite as good as yours.
Plus if you were actually using the bolt you posted for that screenshot... well yeah only once every 3 min and at the cost of losing double shot. And yeah I seriously doubt 15 MAB on one ws is worth 1.5 min of 40% chance to shoot twice
Bahamut.Dasva said:
Asura.Yunalaysca said:
that and the atma doesnt exactly align properly like beyond and holy mountain do for trueflight.
Not sure what you were using for subjob in that pick but looks like you had tonic up and vs those same mobs with sea daugher, lone wolf and beyond I was doing 4.3k with ascetics on rng/sam. And I'd say my build wasn't quite as good as yours.
Plus if you were actually using the bolt you posted for that screenshot... well yeah only once every 3 min and at the cost of losing double shot. And yeah I seriously doubt 15 MAB on one ws is worth 1.5 min of 40% chance to shoot twice
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Asura.Yunalaysca said:
wut bullets D:? also yeah idk with the rolls cor gets not to mention better mab gear i figured it's better off in cor's hands. vertex bolt atleast makes up for it with trueflight.
Also rngs actually get more MAB gear by a little bit. And agi by alot.
Asura.Yunalaysca said:
holy bolts dont proc on double shots, and my unlimited shot is merited, so im not entire sure how to look at it, but i think it evens out. and yeah i said "doesnt exactly" wasnt saying it was completely different but it's kind of lacking in those terms. my gripe isnt that the weapon skill is stronger, but that it should be used on a job that can benifiet the most from it. that's why i was figuring in jishnu and not wildfire.
Bahamut.Dasva said:
Asura.Yunalaysca said:
wut bullets D:? also yeah idk with the rolls cor gets not to mention better mab gear i figured it's better off in cor's hands. vertex bolt atleast makes up for it with trueflight.
Also rngs actually get more MAB gear by a little bit. And agi by alot.
and that's not what i meant, pup's only emp is Vsmite, and thf should do more dmg with ru- oh icwutudidthar
im just saying that rng has jishnu and was better off with it over wilfdire D:
i use trueflight atm because i felt that barring emp ws, trueflight showed me the biggest numbers in abyssea. and was curious what others felt about using it, or should i just quit rng until i got jishnu (or wildfire)
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Bahamut.Dasva said:
Asura.Yunalaysca said:
holy bolts dont proc on double shots, and my unlimited shot is merited, so im not entire sure how to look at it, but i think it evens out. and yeah i said "doesnt exactly" wasnt saying it was completely different but it's kind of lacking in those terms. my gripe isnt that the weapon skill is stronger, but that it should be used on a job that can benifiet the most from it. that's why i was figuring in jishnu and not wildfire.
I just love wildfire.... well outside of nms that I'm not brewing. Abyssea nms seem to hate on elemetnal ws dmg. Then again a few of the harder ones hate on physical dmg so in those situations it actually comes back out on top lol.
Also I lurve me some self darkness.
As far as biggest non empyrean dmg... I think you might be able to get there with reflugent arrow. Well obviously if you wait till 300% tp probably. Not like you can't get 200% tp bonus anyways...
I'm actually working on my tp bonus bow for that now
Also I lurve me some self darkness.
As far as biggest non empyrean dmg... I think you might be able to get there with reflugent arrow. Well obviously if you wait till 300% tp probably. Not like you can't get 200% tp bonus anyways...
I'm actually working on my tp bonus bow for that now
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Bahamut.Dasva said:
I just love wildfire.... well outside of nms that I'm not brewing. Abyssea nms seem to hate on elemetnal ws dmg. Then again a few of the harder ones hate on physical dmg so in those situations it actually comes back out on top lol.
Also I lurve me some self darkness.
As far as biggest non empyrean dmg... I think you might be able to get there with reflugent arrow. Well obviously if you wait till 300% tp probably. Not like you can't get 200% tp bonus anyways...
I'm actually working on my tp bonus bow for that now
Also I lurve me some self darkness.
As far as biggest non empyrean dmg... I think you might be able to get there with reflugent arrow. Well obviously if you wait till 300% tp probably. Not like you can't get 200% tp bonus anyways...
I'm actually working on my tp bonus bow for that now
Bahamut.Dasva said:
I just love wildfire.... well outside of nms that I'm not brewing. Abyssea nms seem to hate on elemetnal ws dmg. Then again a few of the harder ones hate on physical dmg so in those situations it actually comes back out on top lol.
Also I lurve me some self darkness.
As far as biggest non empyrean dmg... I think you might be able to get there with reflugent arrow. Well obviously if you wait till 300% tp probably. Not like you can't get 200% tp bonus anyways...
I'm actually working on my tp bonus bow for that now
Also I lurve me some self darkness.
As far as biggest non empyrean dmg... I think you might be able to get there with reflugent arrow. Well obviously if you wait till 300% tp probably. Not like you can't get 200% tp bonus anyways...
I'm actually working on my tp bonus bow for that now
Cerberus.Wolfshadow said:
/explodes
Asura.Yunalaysca said:
if only i had the motivation to do trials again
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