BLMs, Please Listen. |
||
|
BLMs, Please listen.
Sovereign said: who the *** are you again? I didnt call anyone cheap or lazy because they failed to reply to my post. I called them cheap and lazy because they dont seem to take the foresight to macro in a standing setup, when all it can do is make them a BETTER black mage. What does it matter who I am? Doesn't make your offensive post any less rude and needless. I see, so this gear is mainly for dynamis? Well so are you saying a blm without this gear is not a better black mage? Cause I don't have a standing gear setup and I don't even do dynamis.
Alyria said: I see, so this gear is mainly for dynamis? Well so are you saying a blm without this gear is not a better black mage? Cause I don't have a standing gear setup and I don't even do dynamis. I wouldn't say it's essential, because if the mob is determined you're gonna die anyway, but anything that lets you survive just one more hit is extremely handy. That could be just enough time to get another sleep/bind off, or the damage may reduce your hate enough for the mob to after someone else before killing you. And as Sovereign says, albeit not very politely, it's cheap and only takes up a few inventory slots. Another thing I hate about the majority of BLM's I see, is no real hmp build. When you're resting, every +1 hmp you have is 1 extra mp EVERY ten seconds. So if you cap out your hmp build, you're looking at about an extra 26 mp every ten seconds on top of your clear mind. That's an extra 104 mp every 40 seconds, so if you're resting to full, you can decrease the amount of time it takes to get there by probably close to 2 minutes. Don't forget that even if your hmp build isn't your max mp build, you can still switch to max mp while resting as you get to 100% on your hmp build, your clear mind and cumulative hmp will do the rest in 1-2 more ticks. Blazza said: I wouldn't say it's essential, because if the mob is determined you're gonna die anyway, but anything that lets you survive just one more hit is extremely handy. That could be just enough time to get another sleep/bind off, or the damage may reduce your hate enough for the mob to after someone else before killing you. And as Sovereign says, albeit not very politely, it's cheap and only takes up a few inventory slots. Another thing I hate about the majority of BLM's I see, is no real hmp build. When you're resting, every +1 hmp you have is 1 extra mp EVERY ten seconds. So if you cap out your hmp build, you're looking at about an extra 26 mp every ten seconds on top of your clear mind. That's an extra 104 mp every 40 seconds, so if you're resting to full, you can decrease the amount of time it takes to get there by probably close to 2 minutes. Don't forget that even if your hmp build isn't your max mp build, you can still switch to max mp while resting as you get to 100% on your hmp build, your clear mind and cumulative hmp will do the rest in 1-2 more ticks. I would say it's essential... but only because I've been using a standing setup for a very long time, and having a better than average standing setup has saved my life on countless occasions. In my personal opinion, I believe the standing setup is the most important set of gear a BLM can have. But, I'm also an advocate of complete spell gear sets, which includes having a specific set for nearly every spell you might cast during a battle. That means in addition to the standing set, you also need an enfeebling set, a resting set, a nuking set, a dark magic set, and a proper enhancing/MND set. I do not believe BLM can be well played without having access to gear sets of this nature, and the ability to macro them in fluidly. All of those gear sets I listed above are used constantly during the course of an event. They all get used so often, in fact, that without them you're seriously hindering your performance and in extreme situations, gear sets like the ones listed above can literally make or break an event. Sovereign said: Blazza said: I wouldn't say it's essential, because if the mob is determined you're gonna die anyway, but anything that lets you survive just one more hit is extremely handy. That could be just enough time to get another sleep/bind off, or the damage may reduce your hate enough for the mob to after someone else before killing you. And as Sovereign says, albeit not very politely, it's cheap and only takes up a few inventory slots. Another thing I hate about the majority of BLM's I see, is no real hmp build. When you're resting, every +1 hmp you have is 1 extra mp EVERY ten seconds. So if you cap out your hmp build, you're looking at about an extra 26 mp every ten seconds on top of your clear mind. That's an extra 104 mp every 40 seconds, so if you're resting to full, you can decrease the amount of time it takes to get there by probably close to 2 minutes. Don't forget that even if your hmp build isn't your max mp build, you can still switch to max mp while resting as you get to 100% on your hmp build, your clear mind and cumulative hmp will do the rest in 1-2 more ticks. I would say it's essential... but only because I've been using a standing setup for a very long time, and having a better than average standing setup has saved my life on countless occasions. In my personal opinion, I believe the standing setup is the most important set of gear a BLM can have. But, I'm also an advocate of complete spell gear sets, which includes having a specific set for nearly every spell you might cast during a battle. That means in addition to the standing set, you also need an enfeebling set, a resting set, a nuking set, a dark magic set, and a proper enhancing/MND set. I do not believe BLM can be well played without having access to gear sets of this nature, and the ability to macro them in fluidly. All of those gear sets I listed above are used constantly during the course of an event. They all get used so often, in fact, that without them you're seriously hindering your performance and in extreme situations, gear sets like the ones listed above can literally make or break an event. I myself have Casting/HMP/Enfeebling/Dark sets, with a Cloak for idle refresh. I would recommend these to any BLM, and would also accept that -%dmg set would be beneficial; but I wouldn't CONDEMN them for not having them. You're an unbelievably arrogant fool for talking this way. I know of very few BLMs in my LS who bother to utilise a -%dmg set while idle, but the success and effectiveness of my LS gainsays your idea of these details 'making or breaking' an event. Perhaps if you find it so useful then you're not taking proper care to avoid getting hit? And as a final point - if you could 'care less' about how other BLMs play, are you being so condescending & derogatory just for the fun of it? Way to play the *** card there champ. Well from reading those answers I do NOT think I am a crappy blm because I don't have a standing gear set that you say. I do understand what you would use it for, but in my thoughts I don't know why you would if you shouldn't be getting the hate and if your ls is that bad that you always need your standing gear, then something is wrong in my opinion. I've done plenty of events and our blm's learn damage control also, they know what to do and when to do what they need to. If you are a blm that just goes over hungry for your damage and not think of "Oh I gotta be careful I may take the hate from the tank" then you can cause a chaos. Like I say to even new ppl in the ls that join, one little tiny mistake can cause a ruckus/chaos. Especially if its a mob that has killer aoe, take the hate and it may just kill all your mages cause you took the hate.
I do however like it for if by any chance you had to kite which should be a very rare occasion unless you are doing jailers with a very small group. I kited jailers without that gear just fine. I don't consider any blm crappy because they don't have that set. I dont use a standing set, yet i manage to solo SE Apolo in limbus do well in group events, and die maybe 2 times a week, and thats not from lacking in a standing set. This is the set I am normally kiting/ standing in Link item for Tooltip
seems to work just fine for me, as it does for many other BLMs I see out there playing the job. Saiya said: You didn't say that these sets would make a BLM 'better'. You said without them they were crappy. I can see you're an authority on BLM (lol), or maybe you're just as unworthy of respect as several other notable posters on this board that tend to have the diplomacy and manners of a sledgehammer. I myself have Casting/HMP/Enfeebling/Dark sets, with a Cloak for idle refresh. I would recommend these to any BLM, and would also accept that -%dmg set would be beneficial; but I wouldn't CONDEMN them for not having them. You're an unbelievably arrogant fool for talking this way. I know of very few BLMs in my LS who bother to utilise a -%dmg set while idle, but the success and effectiveness of my LS gainsays your idea of these details 'making or breaking' an event. Perhaps if you find it so useful then you're not taking proper care to avoid getting hit? And as a final point - if you could 'care less' about how other BLMs play, are you being so condescending & derogatory just for the fun of it? Way to play the *** card there champ. Actually, I did say having those sets would make a BLM better. a couple posts ago, in fact. It was very observant of you to notice. You know of very few BLMs that use a -% dmg set because I'm willing to bet the BLMs in your linkshell never solo anything far beyond the average. In fact, I'd even be willing to go as far as to say I doubt your linkshell ever low-mans anything, either. When you bring so many people to an event, your margin for error increases exponentially. Setups like -% dmg taken show diminishing returns in situations like this, simply because a group of smart players shouldnt ever allow hate towards the BLMs anyway. -% dmg taken does nothing for you if you're not getting hit. But all that changes when you're the sole target. When you're trying to solo Ix'DRG or Ix'MNK, soloing ISNM Happy Caster, ENM Brothers, BC Up in Arms, KS Operation Desert Swarm or Come Into My Parlor... when you start trying to solo things like that you'll realize the extreme effectiveness of a proper standing setup. Until then... you'll continue to remain simply mediocre. its all about how dedicated u are to your job and how much you care. someone who cares wont half *** anything they do, idle gear will go a long way, specially those blms with gaiters and -damage gear.
most blms suck tho and dont care enough to push their own to it's full potential. they dont hold or get hate much due to how easy it is to hold hate on pld these days. imo if your not pulling hate on blm, something is wrong(I dont mean to suicide). of course i dont expect many to agree with that though. when you stop sucking compared to your peer blms then you will start to care about perfection.. Bungie said: its all about how dedicated u are to your job and how much you care. someone who cares wont half *** anything they do, idle gear will go a long way, specially those blms with gaiters and -damage gear. most blms suck tho and dont care enough to push their own to it's full potential. ... when you stop sucking compared to your peer blms then you will start to care about perfection.. quoted for truth. Alright well you have your opinions and I'll have mine. I don't think any blm sucks because of certain gear they don't have and I'm sure alot have accomplished without it. Those who chose not to have that stuff is their choice and doesn't make them a bad blm.
It's all about skill and knowing how to play your job correctly. Any blm can take hate but they better know what to do when they do get hate. I don't think if a blm can't take hate means there is something wrong, they could be just controlling themself for damage and other situational things. Anyways, I think I'm done talking of blm. I don't like arguing or having ppl put down over beliefs that one has. For all the new blm's just have fun with your job. Bungie said: its all about how dedicated u are to your job and how much you care. someone who cares wont half *** anything they do, idle gear will go a long way, specially those blms with gaiters and -damage gear. most blms suck tho and dont care enough to push their own to it's full potential. they dont hold or get hate much due to how easy it is to hold hate on pld these days. imo if your not pulling hate on blm, something is wrong(I dont mean to suicide). of course i dont expect many to agree with that though. when you stop sucking compared to your peer blms then you will start to care about perfection.. Bungie, I understand what you are saying, but hear me out a sec. My personal view on this is, any halfway decently geared BLM can pull hate. However, I fully believe that a BLM that knows how to ditribute enough hate to deal good damage, but not enough to pull hate from the tank is a far better BLM than those that blindly pull hate. For instance, last time I was in NM battle, I was able to time my nukes perfectly, so that when they landed, the tank had maxed out enmity and I wouldn't pull hate with a tier IV nuke that did a good deal of damage. ~Yote BTW- from the BLM community: "What the hell happened to the power of a Skillchain + Manaburst. Everyone used to LOVE seeing BLMs hit new highs of damage with a good MB... now everyone wants to zerg everything. It breaks my BLMs heart. :-(" Bungie said: most blms suck tho and dont care enough to push their own to it's full potential. they dont hold or get hate much due to how easy it is to hold hate on pld these days. imo if your not pulling hate on blm, something is wrong(I dont mean to suicide). of course i dont expect many to agree with that though. wut? Getting hate on BLM is the easiest thing in the world to do. Are you saying that most BLM just hold back for fear of getting hate? Yotevol said: Bungie said: its all about how dedicated u are to your job and how much you care. someone who cares wont half *** anything they do, idle gear will go a long way, specially those blms with gaiters and -damage gear. most blms suck tho and dont care enough to push their own to it's full potential. they dont hold or get hate much due to how easy it is to hold hate on pld these days. imo if your not pulling hate on blm, something is wrong(I dont mean to suicide). of course i dont expect many to agree with that though. when you stop sucking compared to your peer blms then you will start to care about perfection.. Bungie, I understand what you are saying, but hear me out a sec. My personal view on this is, any halfway decently geared BLM can pull hate. However, I fully believe that a BLM that knows how to ditribute enough hate to deal good damage, but not enough to pull hate from the tank is a far better BLM than those that blindly pull hate. For instance, last time I was in NM battle, I was able to time my nukes perfectly, so that when they landed, the tank had maxed out enmity and I wouldn't pull hate with a tier IV nuke that did a good deal of damage. ~Yote BTW- from the BLM community: "What the hell happened to the power of a Skillchain + Manaburst. Everyone used to LOVE seeing BLMs hit new highs of damage with a good MB... now everyone wants to zerg everything. It breaks my BLMs heart. :-(" Completely irrelevant at hate cap, for anything that matters. With a decent rdm tank who is casting only blind and utsusemi, it should be on the verge of impossibility for anyone to pull hate off of them, bar shadow-ignoring TP moves. BLMs should be able to nuke freely, through their entire MP pool without any fear at all of pulling hate. Your tanks suck. Saiya said: You didn't say that these sets would make a BLM 'better'. Sovereign said: Actually, I did say having those sets would make a BLM better. a couple posts ago, in fact If were talking generally, not a great % of BLMs really solo a great deal, especially the more challenging stuff. Since by the context of the thread we were talking about general usage whatever the occasion, situations where the -%dmg build TRULY shines (like when you're the sole target) are relatively irrelevent. I never said it was pointless, I was decrying your judgement on other BLMs for not using it. I'm sure the Taru BLM who solo'd Diabolos Prime made extremely good use of it. You make broad assumptions about my LS, and I can tell you that we do simultaneous sky/sea farming, simultaneous city dynamis runs and simultaneous T2-3 ZNM/Sea gods. Not that my assertion makes much difference on these boards since I can't offer you solid proof. You both make good points, and since most people genuinely like to get good advice for their jobs, i'm sure your ideas would be better received if you lost some of your high-handedness. You also take for granted that it's not all about laziness or lack of care, but also about how much people value the game as a whole and how much time they spend playing it. BLMs who havn't gone to the extreme ends of their job's possibilities, for whatever reason... i'm glad you've found the time and interest to do it, but setting yourself as the bar for such a large number of diverse players is just ridiculous, and I think you think too much of yourselves. Alyria said: Alright well you have your opinions and I'll have mine. I don't think any blm sucks because of certain gear they don't have and I'm sure alot have accomplished without it. Those who chose not to have that stuff is their choice and doesn't make them a bad blm. It's all about skill and knowing how to play your job correctly. A standing setup really isnt an opinion... it's the most powerful gear set available for a BLM or RDM, and has been approved and praised by some of the best mages to ever play the game (*cough-Kaeko-cough*). People who choose not to use a proper standing setup may not technically be a bad player. But it does make them a lazy player, which in turn makes them a bad player. It is all about skill, and knowing how to play your job correctly. But if you know about the benefits of a standing setup, and still refuse to use it, you're not playing the job correctly. I might think differently about standing setups if all of the standing gear was rare/ex and super hard to obtain... but it's not. You can buy the most vital pieces directly from the auction house (and you should already be carrying an earth staff anyway) for next to nothing. The gear is all incredibly inexpensive, so the only reason not to use these things is because you're too cheap or too lazy. Cyr said: Completely irrelevant at hate cap, for anything that matters. With a decent rdm tank who is casting only blind and utsusemi, it should be on the verge of impossibility for anyone to pull hate off of them, bar shadow-ignoring TP moves. BLMs should be able to nuke freely, through their entire MP pool without any fear at all of pulling hate. Your tanks suck. How quickly things turn to lible. Insulting my friends will earn you no respect from me. Everything you wrote up to the last sentence, I was open to listen. When you said the last sentence, I was no longer holding anything you said previously, as valid. ~Yote maybe for a low man situation thats good, but these days thats not how it works, its all about how fast and efficient you can kill what ever your killing.
nuke all u want, swap to idle, good tanks will keep u alive and easily get hate back. Saiya said: If were talking generally, not a great % of BLMs really solo a great deal, especially the more challenging stuff. Since by the context of the thread we were talking about general usage whatever the occasion, situations where the -%dmg build TRULY shines (like when you're the sole target) are relatively irrelevent. Just quoting the relevant stuff. I'm no BLM expert, but I did have a peek at Kaeko's guide, which is what Sovereign is referencing. It's not just damage down gear (though there is a decent amount of that), it's also movement speed+ (herald's gaiters, as he kites in this setup) and refresh (dalmatica or sorcerer's coat if you don't have dalmatica). I'm nowhere near 75, but I can certainly see how such a setup is useful, whether partying or solo. Kaeko's post on standing setup Yotevol said: Cyr said: Completely irrelevant at hate cap, for anything that matters. With a decent rdm tank who is casting only blind and utsusemi, it should be on the verge of impossibility for anyone to pull hate off of them, bar shadow-ignoring TP moves. BLMs should be able to nuke freely, through their entire MP pool without any fear at all of pulling hate. Your tanks suck. How quickly things turn to lible. Insulting my friends will earn you no respect from me. Everything you wrote up to the last sentence, I was open to listen. When you said the last sentence, I was no longer holding anything you said previously, as valid. ~Yote Last sentence is a summation of what was previous to it. You're slowly changing what you say as you realise that such extreme comments & insults were wrong. It'd be nice if you were graceful about it, and said 'Sorry about that, this is what i meant to say...'
Sovereign said: A standing setup really isnt an opinion... it's the most powerful gear set available for a BLM or RDM, and has been approved and praised by some of the best mages to ever play the game. Sovereign said: But if you know about the benefits of a standing setup, and still refuse to use it, you're not playing the job correctly. Saiya said: You're slowly changing what you say as you realise that such extreme comments & insults were wrong. It'd be nice if you were graceful about it, and said 'Sorry about that, this is what i meant to say...' Sovereign said: A standing setup really isnt an opinion... it's the most powerful gear set available for a BLM or RDM, and has been approved and praised by some of the best mages to ever play the game. Sovereign said: But if you know about the benefits of a standing setup, and still refuse to use it, you're not playing the job correctly. Oh, and in terms of the idling set. I love it. If if wasn't for my kickass idle swap, I wouldn't be able to pretty much solo sleep everything on nearly every dynamis-xarc pull, without getting my face raped. Cyr said: Last sentence is a summation of what was previous to it. While you may believe that, you know (as well as I) that it could have been better spoken. You don't even know the gear and ability of our tanks, which is very good. Not to mention, the capabuilities of my BLM. From my point of view, it was a needless insult. Regardless of what you say after this post, I will not give you the dignity of lowering myself to your level and respond. Good day, sir. ~Yote Yotevol said: Cyr said: Last sentence is a summation of what was previous to it. While you may believe that, you know (as well as I) that it could have been better spoken. You don't even know the gear and ability of our tanks, which is very good. Not to mention, the capabuilities of my BLM. From my point of view, it was a needless insult. Regardless of what you say after this post, I will not give you the dignity of lowering myself to your level and respond. Good day, sir. ~Yote Meh, thats the general response I get from most people on a daily basis. I'm a little rough around the edges >_> Saiya said: You make broad assumptions about my LS, and I can tell you that we do simultaneous sky/sea farming, simultaneous city dynamis runs and simultaneous T2-3 ZNM/Sea gods. Not that my assertion makes much difference on these boards since I can't offer you solid proof. You both make good points, and since most people genuinely like to get good advice for their jobs, i'm sure your ideas would be better received if you lost some of your high-handedness. You also take for granted that it's not all about laziness or lack of care, but also about how much people value the game as a whole and how much time they spend playing it. I didnt really have to make a broad assumption about your linkshell when I can plainly see like 90+ people registered under your LS right here on this website. Any LS with that many members is able to accomplish much more with less skill. You stating that your linkshell does SIMULTANEOUS runs in various zones just goes to reaffirm that fact. Six months ago, my linkshell was doing nearly everything in the game with less than a full alliance. We've done Omega with 10 people. Prudence with 5. Kirin with 15. Outside of Dynamis Lord, all of Zilart Dynamis is a total joke with 12 or more. Sky/Sea farming, six players at most. We built a reputation as some of the better players on our server, and lately our linkshell has grown because of it. While I like having the extra bodies around to make things easier, playing with less people forces you to play at the top of your game. Hanging out in a linkshell with 90 someodd people doesnt make you focus as much on perfecting your game. Sovereign said: Six months ago, my linkshell was doing nearly everything in the game with less than a full alliance. We've done Omega with 10 people. Prudence with 5. Kirin with 15. Outside of Dynamis Lord, all of Zilart Dynamis is a total joke with 12 or more. Sky/Sea farming, six players at most. We built a reputation as some of the better players on our server, and lately our linkshell has grown because of it. Sounds brilliant but... This doesn't mean you're right, and others wrong. You may know a lot about your jobs and might be very good at playing them, but this does not give you the entitlement to act like everyone else's methods or opinions are wrong. Putting yourself above everyone else just because your way works is ignorant, to say it as simply as possible. I'm not disagreeing with you, but you could most certainly get your point across in a much more open minded and polite manner. Sovereign said: Hanging out in a linkshell with 90 someodd people doesnt make you focus as much on perfecting your game. Says who? You? What makes you know so much about what works for other people? Again, I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you, but you really need to stop this "My way is the best way because I say so" attitude if you want people to listen to you. In specification to your point, though, I do slightly disagree. We clear Dynamis zones regularly with thirty people. How could we do that any better with 12? Wooooodum said: Sovereign said: Hanging out in a linkshell with 90 someodd people doesnt make you focus as much on perfecting your game. Says who? You? What makes you know so much about what works for other people? Again, I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you, but you really need to stop this "My way is the best way because I say so" attitude if you want people to listen to you. Says me, yes. What makes me know so much about this is experience. I've been playing endgame for years. I've been in tons of linkshells and played on 3 different servers. I've met a lot of people, and seen a ton of different play methods and strategies for various group setups. I've been part of a 2 minute Kirin zerg. I've maxed out Dynamis-Xarc with 64 people for my first DL kill. I've even had a GM materialize while my linkshell was wiping to AV to congratulate us on our superior Love strategy, and I have the screenshots to prove it. Now I dont claim to be the best player in the game. There are obviously people who are better at it than I am, and have accomplished much more. But with how much experience I have in endgame, I know for a 100% fact that I am not wrong in anything I've said in this thread. You dont have to like me, you dont have to listen to me. I dont care, as it wont change my experience with the game in any way (unless you tried to join my linkshell... in which case I'd probably just boot you for being a dumbshit). Fact of the matter is, I know what I'm talking about. And that won't change. Sovereign said: But with how much experience I have in endgame, I know for a 100% fact that I am not wrong in anything I've said in this thread. Your credability in this discussion is now null and void. Sovereign said: Saiya said: You make broad assumptions about my LS, and I can tell you that we do simultaneous sky/sea farming, simultaneous city dynamis runs and simultaneous T2-3 ZNM/Sea gods. Not that my assertion makes much difference on these boards since I can't offer you solid proof. You both make good points, and since most people genuinely like to get good advice for their jobs, i'm sure your ideas would be better received if you lost some of your high-handedness. You also take for granted that it's not all about laziness or lack of care, but also about how much people value the game as a whole and how much time they spend playing it. I didnt really have to make a broad assumption about your linkshell when I can plainly see like 90+ people registered under your LS right here on this website. Any LS with that many members is able to accomplish much more with less skill. You stating that your linkshell does SIMULTANEOUS runs in various zones just goes to reaffirm that fact. Six months ago, my linkshell was doing nearly everything in the game with less than a full alliance. We've done Omega with 10 people. Prudence with 5. Kirin with 15. Outside of Dynamis Lord, all of Zilart Dynamis is a total joke with 12 or more. Sky/Sea farming, six players at most. We built a reputation as some of the better players on our server, and lately our linkshell has grown because of it. While I like having the extra bodies around to make things easier, playing with less people forces you to play at the top of your game. Hanging out in a linkshell with 90 someodd people doesnt make you focus as much on perfecting your game. Another assumption. Out of those 90-odd, perhaps 45-50 are currently playing regularly. There's a useful column called 'Active/Inactive' to make it a bit more user friendly. Added to that, having quite a few members to call on doesn't necessarily mean that we've got full turnout for each event, even simultaneous ones. Kirin with 15? This isn't intended to be an e-peen war, but we've done it. And with a full alliance, easily 8-10 Kirins in an evening, as soon as the ??? appears it's popped again. Prudence with 5? I've not see us do it, but I have no reason to doubt that we could. Sovereign said: Hanging out in a linkshell with 90 someodd people doesnt make you focus as much on perfecting your game. I'll take you back quite a few posts. You said you could care less what other BLMs do. But you've developed a rather in-depth opinion on the subject, and I frankly don't believe you ^^. |
||
|
All FFXI content and images © 2002-2025 SQUARE ENIX CO., LTD. FINAL
FANTASY is a registered trademark of Square Enix Co., Ltd.
|
||
