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By Valefor.Sehachan 2015-04-01 06:17:32
Prothescar is an ***!!
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2015-04-01 06:18:04
um wow rude i'll have to punish you later
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By Shiva.Spathaian 2015-04-01 06:59:49
Valefor.Prothescar said: »The more I think about the wrapup of 1.0/2.0's story arc, the more annoyed I am.
As a preface, I like what they did as a section of a story. The fact that they grew some balls and made some, quite frankly, grisly death sequences and impactful moments was a great change of pace from most of the rest of the story so far. That being said...
I've played a lot of MMOs. A lot of them. Never before have I felt so lost and left behind as I do now. I'm not talking about the tragic events that transpired during the story, that's all fine, I'm talking about as a player of a game, to receive 0 resolution or other such ending to the game. It's literally just all open ends, not only the ones we've had since the very beginning but also a slew of brand new ones.
There is no feeling of it being an end of an era, or a waypoint in the story. There's not really much of a "okay, that was a good end to a long saga". It just sets up for Heavensward and continuing the current events through a paid expansion pack. What other game has ever done that?
Let's use XI as an example. Each expansion pack had its own unique microcosm; it was built around itself and had a unique, rich story with the characters reacting and changing based on that individual story. Sometimes there were nods or interwoven threads of other stories/expansions, but they were not normally integral or required you to play the other stories/expansions to understand/interpret/incorporate them. XIV is going in an entirely different way; there won't be individual stories and scenarios, but an overarching premise that carries through from base game to the expansion(s).
Why does it bother me you ask? I just see it as a slimy business practice. Instead of allowing the customer, or player, a valid end to a long scenario, you instead punch the throttle up to full and open up all the loose ends right in the final cutscenes just so that you can sell them an expansion pack and continue that... possibly, and probably, just to do it again at the end of that. I don't like it.
anyway, meh. Technically, didn't they do the same thing with FFXI and Rise of the Zilart, which was FFXI's first expansion? While it may not have been to the extremes as FFXIV appears to be doing and english players didn't get to experience it because the expansion was released with our release, the JP had to kill the shadowlord and experience a taste of of Ark Angels/Zilart lore with nothing to continue it until they received the expansion.
Was it as long of a scenario? No, certainly not, but otherwise this is the same situation just on a bigger scale due to all the *** ups that happened with FFXIV.
All I'm saying is, give it time. This isn't new for SE or the FF series and we have no idea how they plan to release expansions past Heavensward.
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By Grumpy Cat 2015-04-01 07:48:43
my teeth moved last night I just know it and it is driving me crazy
By leo 2015-04-01 07:54:51
Valefor.Prothescar said: »The more I think about the wrapup of 1.0/2.0's story arc, the more annoyed I am.
As a preface, I like what they did as a section of a story. The fact that they grew some balls and made some, quite frankly, grisly death sequences and impactful moments was a great change of pace from most of the rest of the story so far. That being said...
I've played a lot of MMOs. A lot of them. Never before have I felt so lost and left behind as I do now. I'm not talking about the tragic events that transpired during the story, that's all fine, I'm talking about as a player of a game, to receive 0 resolution or other such ending to the game. It's literally just all open ends, not only the ones we've had since the very beginning but also a slew of brand new ones.
There is no feeling of it being an end of an era, or a waypoint in the story. There's not really much of a "okay, that was a good end to a long saga". It just sets up for Heavensward and continuing the current events through a paid expansion pack. What other game has ever done that?
Let's use XI as an example. Each expansion pack had its own unique microcosm; it was built around itself and had a unique, rich story with the characters reacting and changing based on that individual story. Sometimes there were nods or interwoven threads of other stories/expansions, but they were not normally integral or required you to play the other stories/expansions to understand/interpret/incorporate them. XIV is going in an entirely different way; there won't be individual stories and scenarios, but an overarching premise that carries through from base game to the expansion(s).
Why does it bother me you ask? I just see it as a slimy business practice. Instead of allowing the customer, or player, a valid end to a long scenario, you instead punch the throttle up to full and open up all the loose ends right in the final cutscenes just so that you can sell them an expansion pack and continue that... possibly, and probably, just to do it again at the end of that. I don't like it.
anyway, meh. Technically, didn't they do the same thing with FFXI and Rise of the Zilart, which was FFXI's first expansion? While it may not have been to the extremes as FFXIV appears to be doing and english players didn't get to experience it because the expansion was released with our release, the JP had to kill the shadowlord and experience a taste of of Ark Angels/Zilart lore with nothing to continue it until they received the expansion.
Was it as long of a scenario? No, certainly not, but otherwise this is the same situation just on a bigger scale due to all the *** ups that happened with FFXIV.
All I'm saying is, give it time. This isn't new for SE or the FF series and we have no idea how they plan to release expansions past Heavensward.
I think all that has to do with the business model change with XIV. They got rid of the "we wanna sell expansion discs every year" business model. The writing style for FFXI expansions had to keep tight into that mindset so people could buy one expansion pack but could opt to not buy some other. Then the game had to operate without that bit of missing data.
They stopped being that silly with XIV because it relies heavily on delivering additional contents to everyone without extra fees. So they are simply using new contents to maintain people interested in playing the game. It's different and free them from that "microcosm" requirement as there won't be people playing the game without parts of it being installed.
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By Anna Ruthven 2015-04-01 08:06:08
Valefor.Prothescar said: »The more I think about the wrapup of 1.0/2.0's story arc, the more annoyed I am.
As a preface, I like what they did as a section of a story. The fact that they grew some balls and made some, quite frankly, grisly death sequences and impactful moments was a great change of pace from most of the rest of the story so far. That being said...
I've played a lot of MMOs. A lot of them. Never before have I felt so lost and left behind as I do now. I'm not talking about the tragic events that transpired during the story, that's all fine, I'm talking about as a player of a game, to receive 0 resolution or other such ending to the game. It's literally just all open ends, not only the ones we've had since the very beginning but also a slew of brand new ones.
There is no feeling of it being an end of an era, or a waypoint in the story. There's not really much of a "okay, that was a good end to a long saga". It just sets up for Heavensward and continuing the current events through a paid expansion pack. What other game has ever done that?
Let's use XI as an example. Each expansion pack had its own unique microcosm; it was built around itself and had a unique, rich story with the characters reacting and changing based on that individual story. Sometimes there were nods or interwoven threads of other stories/expansions, but they were not normally integral or required you to play the other stories/expansions to understand/interpret/incorporate them. XIV is going in an entirely different way; there won't be individual stories and scenarios, but an overarching premise that carries through from base game to the expansion(s).
Why does it bother me you ask? I just see it as a slimy business practice. Instead of allowing the customer, or player, a valid end to a long scenario, you instead punch the throttle up to full and open up all the loose ends right in the final cutscenes just so that you can sell them an expansion pack and continue that... possibly, and probably, just to do it again at the end of that. I don't like it.
anyway, meh. I kinda get the feeling Nanamo is dead but they are going to pull some Kam'lanaut ***like in FFXI "Oh, no the Archduke is away." when you killed him yourself.
Also, apparently a Crystal Brave states that if you are seen, you'll be "arrested like the others" I don't know where you last see the Scions as I have yet to see the scene myself, just being spoiled, but it's possible the monetarists had the Scions found and arrested with these 'others.'
I expect Moendryda to pull a Lion and reappear one day; she didn't leave a corpse, which is shown to happen just before she died. Urianger is probably trying to find information to find her.
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By Bismarck.Dracondria 2015-04-01 08:07:47
Can't even patch the *** files, the download speed goes down to almost 0 and then it errors out
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By Bismarck.Dracondria 2015-04-01 08:13:22
So who's Zolton Skye in the LS? I noticed they were invited to the FC too
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-04-01 08:24:55
Bismarck.Dracondria said: »So who's Zolton Skye in the LS? I noticed they were invited to the FC too Me.
By Wordspoken 2015-04-01 08:32:44
Hi. Opinion of someone who has played chess for 20 years: bs.
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By Shiva.Spathaian 2015-04-01 08:41:14
Valefor.Prothescar said: »The more I think about the wrapup of 1.0/2.0's story arc, the more annoyed I am.
As a preface, I like what they did as a section of a story. The fact that they grew some balls and made some, quite frankly, grisly death sequences and impactful moments was a great change of pace from most of the rest of the story so far. That being said...
I've played a lot of MMOs. A lot of them. Never before have I felt so lost and left behind as I do now. I'm not talking about the tragic events that transpired during the story, that's all fine, I'm talking about as a player of a game, to receive 0 resolution or other such ending to the game. It's literally just all open ends, not only the ones we've had since the very beginning but also a slew of brand new ones.
There is no feeling of it being an end of an era, or a waypoint in the story. There's not really much of a "okay, that was a good end to a long saga". It just sets up for Heavensward and continuing the current events through a paid expansion pack. What other game has ever done that?
Let's use XI as an example. Each expansion pack had its own unique microcosm; it was built around itself and had a unique, rich story with the characters reacting and changing based on that individual story. Sometimes there were nods or interwoven threads of other stories/expansions, but they were not normally integral or required you to play the other stories/expansions to understand/interpret/incorporate them. XIV is going in an entirely different way; there won't be individual stories and scenarios, but an overarching premise that carries through from base game to the expansion(s).
Why does it bother me you ask? I just see it as a slimy business practice. Instead of allowing the customer, or player, a valid end to a long scenario, you instead punch the throttle up to full and open up all the loose ends right in the final cutscenes just so that you can sell them an expansion pack and continue that... possibly, and probably, just to do it again at the end of that. I don't like it.
anyway, meh. I kinda get the feeling Nanamo is dead but they are going to pull some Kam'lanaut ***like in FFXI "Oh, no the Archduke is away." when you killed him yourself.
Also, apparently a Crystal Brave states that if you are seen, you'll be "arrested like the others" I don't know where you last see the Scions as I have yet to see the scene myself, just being spoiled, but it's possible the monetarists had the Scions found and arrested with these 'others.'
I expect Moendryda to pull a Lion and reappear one day; she didn't leave a corpse, which is shown to happen just before she died. Urianger is probably trying to find information to find her. Nanamo is dead, even after the cutscene npcs acknowledge it. You aren't arrested on sight for two reasons:
1) Faulty NPCs apparently are too stupid to notice you're the same person they're currently talking about, though they do know the event happened and they do know it was apparently caused by an adventurer who is currently being searched for.
2) An actual Blades member says they won't turn you in because they don't trust the rumors, but that he's still under orders not to let you into X-zone.
Other Scions are each given interesting "death scenes" but obviously they're very vague and it's more than likely they're just captured.
I have a strong feeling Moen is straight dead, there will be no revivals and if there is I'll be sorely disappointed. Though, Urianger was seen talking to one of the Ascians as well. It's possible he will be toyed with using the chance to see his beloved again. I guess I'd be relatively okay with this... but only because Urianger is apparently my spirit animal.
The real thing that disappointed me the most is everything surrounding Tataru is getting kinda... hazy for me and I'm not liking her atm.
I am actually glad however that Alphinaud was knocked down a few pegs because lately he'd been getting really cocky and annoying and one of the lines from the recent cutscenes pissed me off to no end.
Edited something I just thought a little bit more on.
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By Leon Kasai 2015-04-01 08:52:22
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By Anna Ruthven 2015-04-01 09:11:29
Valefor.Prothescar said: »The more I think about the wrapup of 1.0/2.0's story arc, the more annoyed I am.
As a preface, I like what they did as a section of a story. The fact that they grew some balls and made some, quite frankly, grisly death sequences and impactful moments was a great change of pace from most of the rest of the story so far. That being said...
I've played a lot of MMOs. A lot of them. Never before have I felt so lost and left behind as I do now. I'm not talking about the tragic events that transpired during the story, that's all fine, I'm talking about as a player of a game, to receive 0 resolution or other such ending to the game. It's literally just all open ends, not only the ones we've had since the very beginning but also a slew of brand new ones.
There is no feeling of it being an end of an era, or a waypoint in the story. There's not really much of a "okay, that was a good end to a long saga". It just sets up for Heavensward and continuing the current events through a paid expansion pack. What other game has ever done that?
Let's use XI as an example. Each expansion pack had its own unique microcosm; it was built around itself and had a unique, rich story with the characters reacting and changing based on that individual story. Sometimes there were nods or interwoven threads of other stories/expansions, but they were not normally integral or required you to play the other stories/expansions to understand/interpret/incorporate them. XIV is going in an entirely different way; there won't be individual stories and scenarios, but an overarching premise that carries through from base game to the expansion(s).
Why does it bother me you ask? I just see it as a slimy business practice. Instead of allowing the customer, or player, a valid end to a long scenario, you instead punch the throttle up to full and open up all the loose ends right in the final cutscenes just so that you can sell them an expansion pack and continue that... possibly, and probably, just to do it again at the end of that. I don't like it.
anyway, meh. I kinda get the feeling Nanamo is dead but they are going to pull some Kam'lanaut ***like in FFXI "Oh, no the Archduke is away." when you killed him yourself.
Also, apparently a Crystal Brave states that if you are seen, you'll be "arrested like the others" I don't know where you last see the Scions as I have yet to see the scene myself, just being spoiled, but it's possible the monetarists had the Scions found and arrested with these 'others.'
I expect Moendryda to pull a Lion and reappear one day; she didn't leave a corpse, which is shown to happen just before she died. Urianger is probably trying to find information to find her. Nanamo is dead, even after the cutscene npcs acknowledge it. You aren't arrested on sight for two reasons:
1) Faulty NPCs apparently are too stupid to notice you're the same person they're currently talking about, though they do know the event happened and they do know it was apparently caused by an adventurer who is currently being searched for.
2) An actual Blades member says they won't turn you in because they don't trust the rumors, but that he's still under orders not to let you into X-zone.
Other Scions are each given interesting "death scenes" but obviously they're very vague and it's more than likely they're just captured.
I have a strong feeling Moen is straight dead, there will be no revivals and if there is I'll be sorely disappointed. Though, Urianger was seen talking to one of the Ascians as well. It's possible he will be toyed with using the chance to see his beloved again. I guess I'd be relatively okay with this... but only because Urianger is apparently my spirit animal.
The real thing that disappointed me the most is everything surrounding Tataru is getting kinda... hazy for me and I'm not liking her atm.
I am actually glad however that Alphinaud was knocked down a few pegs because lately he'd been getting really cocky and annoying and one of the lines from the recent cutscenes pissed me off to no end.
Edited something I just thought a little bit more on. I liked Moen, I liked the character but she should stay dead. She had a good death; she came to understand Louisoix in her final moments and gave her life to further his cause.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-04-01 09:13:47
Valefor.Prothescar said: »The more I think about the wrapup of 1.0/2.0's story arc, the more annoyed I am.
As a preface, I like what they did as a section of a story. The fact that they grew some balls and made some, quite frankly, grisly death sequences and impactful moments was a great change of pace from most of the rest of the story so far. That being said...
I've played a lot of MMOs. A lot of them. Never before have I felt so lost and left behind as I do now. I'm not talking about the tragic events that transpired during the story, that's all fine, I'm talking about as a player of a game, to receive 0 resolution or other such ending to the game. It's literally just all open ends, not only the ones we've had since the very beginning but also a slew of brand new ones.
There is no feeling of it being an end of an era, or a waypoint in the story. There's not really much of a "okay, that was a good end to a long saga". It just sets up for Heavensward and continuing the current events through a paid expansion pack. What other game has ever done that?
Let's use XI as an example. Each expansion pack had its own unique microcosm; it was built around itself and had a unique, rich story with the characters reacting and changing based on that individual story. Sometimes there were nods or interwoven threads of other stories/expansions, but they were not normally integral or required you to play the other stories/expansions to understand/interpret/incorporate them. XIV is going in an entirely different way; there won't be individual stories and scenarios, but an overarching premise that carries through from base game to the expansion(s).
Why does it bother me you ask? I just see it as a slimy business practice. Instead of allowing the customer, or player, a valid end to a long scenario, you instead punch the throttle up to full and open up all the loose ends right in the final cutscenes just so that you can sell them an expansion pack and continue that... possibly, and probably, just to do it again at the end of that. I don't like it.
anyway, meh. I kinda get the feeling Nanamo is dead but they are going to pull some Kam'lanaut ***like in FFXI "Oh, no the Archduke is away." when you killed him yourself.
Also, apparently a Crystal Brave states that if you are seen, you'll be "arrested like the others" I don't know where you last see the Scions as I have yet to see the scene myself, just being spoiled, but it's possible the monetarists had the Scions found and arrested with these 'others.'
I expect Moendryda to pull a Lion and reappear one day; she didn't leave a corpse, which is shown to happen just before she died. Urianger is probably trying to find information to find her. Nanamo is dead, even after the cutscene npcs acknowledge it. You aren't arrested on sight for two reasons:
1) Faulty NPCs apparently are too stupid to notice you're the same person they're currently talking about, though they do know the event happened and they do know it was apparently caused by an adventurer who is currently being searched for.
2) An actual Blades member says they won't turn you in because they don't trust the rumors, but that he's still under orders not to let you into X-zone.
Other Scions are each given interesting "death scenes" but obviously they're very vague and it's more than likely they're just captured.
I have a strong feeling Moen is straight dead, there will be no revivals and if there is I'll be sorely disappointed. Though, Urianger was seen talking to one of the Ascians as well. It's possible he will be toyed with using the chance to see his beloved again. I guess I'd be relatively okay with this... but only because Urianger is apparently my spirit animal.
The real thing that disappointed me the most is everything surrounding Tataru is getting kinda... hazy for me and I'm not liking her atm.
I am actually glad however that Alphinaud was knocked down a few pegs because lately he'd been getting really cocky and annoying and one of the lines from the recent cutscenes pissed me off to no end.
Edited something I just thought a little bit more on. I liked Moen, I liked the character but she should stay dead. She had a good death; she came to understand Louisoix in her final moments and gave her life to further his cause. Snape killed Dumbledore, and spoilers don't help much!
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By Shiva.Spathaian 2015-04-01 09:15:26
Spoilers help all of the time!
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By volkom 2015-04-01 09:26:32
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By Bismarck.Misao 2015-04-01 09:48:48
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By Leon Kasai 2015-04-01 09:51:11
Oh my god, GBF Try 25 was incredible. @_@
>dat younger Sazaki
>dat Domon
>dat Super Fumina
>dat Dom R35
>dat Lightning Zeta
>dat Kamiki Burning
>dat Leopardo da Vinci
>dat Rafflesia
>dat Woundwort
>dat Charzabi
Also
>mfw at least Lighting Zeta, Dom R35, Leopardo da Vinci, and Aka Musha are getting kits
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By Anna Ruthven 2015-04-01 09:54:13
You know, this being April 1st, it wouldn't surprise me if another quest popped up tomorrow that gives another, different ending. That'd be funny as ***.
EDIT: Real spoiler, kind-of, btw... The final quest is called "Before the Dawn", that's part of a saying "It's always darkest before the dawn." I kinda take that as a hint that Heavensward will reveal some stuff that will blow us away, in a good way."
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-04-01 10:12:31
Happy April Fools day, you fools!
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By Bismarck.Misao 2015-04-01 10:17:41
that was a great episode, fitting for the final and an april 1st ep
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By Anna Ruthven 2015-04-01 10:27:18
For the first time... I'm scared to progress.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-04-01 10:33:33
For the first time... I'm scared to progress. Hold me!
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By Bismarck.Dracondria 2015-04-01 10:38:08
Don't steal my picture you weirdo
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This is a thread that I found on another website I post at. It can be really really interesting. I thought it deserved a place here.
Post your random thoughts for the day here, or anything else that intrigues you.
For starters, is it possible to give constructive critism to someone who doesn't have a neck? I totally just walked by a girl who didn't. Someone isn't getting a necklace for Valentines day!
And who decided black and white can't be colors? I want to say a racist. I really do.
Inb4thisthreadgetsreallywtf
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