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There's precedent for lowering the recast of two-hour abilities.

Once upon a time, Dragoons could summon their wyverns once every 120 minutes.

They might give us a merit (in the new merit system at 99) that improves 2hr ja for each job. They could lower the 2hr recast that way. Plus some of the 2 hrs have lost there effectiveness now that we have gotten so powerful (by that I mean we more often then not don't use them and in the few cases that we do they don't have as much of an impact as they used to in battle).

Changing a two-hour and lowering the recast of it are two different things.

120 minutes=2 hours?
:S

60min per hour
2 * 60 = 120 lol

Let me get this straight. An incredibly-cutting edge linkshell that beats the ***out of everything for the lolz, like zone bosses and story mobs and things that likewise aren't a joke, does it with a paladin at the front?

Am I reading this right? Clarify:

You use a paladin on killing serious mobs like zone bosses and chess pieces. Y/N?

60 minutes=1 hour though.
my question was more with that...it's quite obvious that 120minutes=2 hours...
I don't see the point of the remark elana made...maybe i'm getting wooshed... i dunno.

This. You should realistically only have one tank on the mob, and one WHM is more than enough to keep a single tank up. Unless of course they suck. Even then, I wouldn't call two WHMs "...far more WHMs..." that's probably the amount you have now. Also if you have a NIN or MNK, they both can proc !!'s while tanking meaning you need less people/spend less time proccing. Also, if you don't suck at proccing, it shouldn't take longer than the duration of the mob to proc :/ Discernment, etc.

I thought I was

I think the point was that Call Wyvern was once a 2hour and got called down to 20m.

That said, I can't think of something reasonable to replace paladin's 2hour with.

edit: whooshed?

get paladin to 99 and unlock new secret job= white knight.

Well, technically, if you change the time on a 2hr at all, it's no longer a 2hr, since it's not 2 hours.

So, while I don't get along w/ him/her, Elana is pretty spot on here.

That is, unless you mean a literal sense of
Then that is correct, literally speaking, as once they are lowered, they are no longer 2hrs.

Either way though, it's all semantics at that point. Elena's example is most practical on the subject.

Yeah, the server's best LS needs a paladin to hold a mob so they can work those abyssite with more than 11 people. I suppose. Smells funny, not buying it.

My idea is still the best. Sentinel for 3 min, change the damage & enmity reduction accordingly. Problem solved.

For a quick and dirty "fix", sure, let's call that the "best."

Just tell me real fast how cycling two paladins riding 90% pdt on every mob balances out for everyone else. Hell, take a single refresh atma, a single regen atma and RR and never need more than two paladins for anything!

...see?

Cover II

Lasts for 2 minutes, 1 minute recast

Works on whoever you stand in front, no need to target, you take more damage than normal by a certain percentage unless you use it with a certain piece of AF3

Hate would become a non-issue lol.

in final fantasy 13 the role of paladin was right give paladin some more useful abilities and traits and i have examples.
Defend - 30 seconds negates physical dmg by 75% for one attack
Regens 10% hp unable to attack until it wears off.
Mbarrier 75%% magic shield next magic dmg taken recast 30 seconds regens 5% mp unable to cast until it wears off
job trait should be Enmity based on damage taken. More dmg you take more hate you have.
Also add in a taunt ability for paladin. and i agree with a cover 2 where you cover an entire party if they are behind you from a ga spell or aoe example gate of hades or self destruct.

Lol you sir are silly

VE/CE and holding hate are beside the point

the problem is no one NEEDS them to have hate

if the mob's attention was permanently glued onto the pld forever and ever they would still be useless

barring some crazy sequence of nm's designed for the sole purpose of making pld relevant again, no one will ever need them to have hate again

i think the closest thing SE could do to "fix" pld would be to bump up their damage to around that of a second tier dd and turn it into a sort of utility job, a competent dd with the ability to heal/blind the mob when needed

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I don't know if it's been thought of yet, but i just thought this idea could be discussed, as ridiculous and imperfect it might seem.

Intervention: "Divine apparitions envelop you and your weapon, dealing non-physical main-hand attacks while occasionally absorbing damage."

Basically it's what happens when Utsu fuses with Formless Strikes, and PLD is a hybrid job, so whoever said boosting PLD would require doing something never done before, it's quite like that. The effect deteriorates with each shadow taken (25% absorb rate), with a 40-second recast. Formula would go like this: [Sword / 4] + [Divine + Enhancing] = Y x 0.75

Capped Skills @ 90 give you something like 533 extra damage on every attack round with full shadows (technically 533.4375, decimals always rounded down). I don't play PLD, so take this with a grain of salt as you may. I just like creating stuff and hope they lead to something good.

No. No, no, no.

Cure V doesn't give any enmity you could possibly tank from, it'd simply put PLD into the same stable as a back-up healer.

PLDs don't need Invincible for anything but a massive hate spike. We already have a straight damage reduction/enmity ability every 4 mins, 10 seconds. It's called Sentinel.

Provoke is simple VE that decays over time. Nice for a hate reset, sure, but not going to do diddly squat on a single target hate reset.

Your second idea with the swords is much more feasible in this case, but I'll say it again, PLD doesn't need ANY job ability to tweak it's survivability/hate generation. It has those nailed just fine.

The problem is MNKs and NINs also have this covered through gear and abilities like Migawari and Perfect Counter, and can ***all over PLD in terms of damage at the same time. You either create situations where a PLD is required to tank (evil, hard hitting bastardspawn mobs that a MNK/NIN just can't handle) or you bring PLD up to a similar level (hard hitting WS and DoT). Chant du Cygne was a step in the right direction here.

Tarp would be cool.

GUYS IT'S A TARP!

It only starts at 90%.
It would go down like 1% every 2 seconds. 180 seconds total, lose 1% every 2 seconds.

Or better yet something like 1% every second and let it rest at 10% for the last 90 seconds.

It would be no different that low manning with 2-3 blms or a nin whm, or thf and rdm, etc.