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Validity, Pros, and Cons, Of 5/5+2 Empyrean set.
Fenrir.Ilax
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By Fenrir.Ilax 2011-01-25 14:18:03
Quetzalcoatl.Natlow said: I just checked his bazaar. 10M for a twilight knife? Sounds like a good deal. I might hop over there and pick one up.
That is what it would cost you to get it from me, bc no i have no interest to toss 200k cruor for random ppl that is at anytime ready to back stab me as sooooooooooooooo many did. Can ask mtmoogle if i do have it equiped right now... he on same server.... But i doubt he have time to waste on that kind of crap.
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By Fenrir.Mtmoogle 2011-01-25 14:19:22
Bahamut.Enkidou said: Best part about not having every job at level 90 is the sex in female vagina's in real life. It's neat. really weird wording lol "sex in female vagina's"
Bahamut.Enkidou
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By Bahamut.Enkidou 2011-01-25 14:19:48
Fenrir.Mtmoogle said: Bahamut.Enkidou said: Best part about not having every job at level 90 is the sex in female vagina's in real life. It's neat. really weird wording lol "sex in female vagina's"
That's typically where I have mine.
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By Fenrir.Mtmoogle 2011-01-25 14:21:16
Bahamut.Enkidou said: Fenrir.Mtmoogle said: Bahamut.Enkidou said: Best part about not having every job at level 90 is the sex in female vagina's in real life. It's neat. really weird wording lol "sex in female vagina's" That's typically where I have mine. you imply some males have vaginas lol (i dont FYI)
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By Fenrir.Mtmoogle 2011-01-25 14:22:23
Fenrir.Ilax said: Quetzalcoatl.Natlow said: I just checked his bazaar. 10M for a twilight knife? Sounds like a good deal. I might hop over there and pick one up. That is what it would cost you to get it from me, bc no i have no interest to toss 200k cruor for random ppl that is at anytime ready to back stab me as sooooooooooooooo many did. Can ask mtmoogle if i do have it equiped right now... he on same server.... But i doubt he have time to waste on that kind of crap. nooo dont bring me into this, im an inoccent bystander
Fenrir.Ilax
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By Fenrir.Ilax 2011-01-25 14:22:30
Quetzalcoatl.Natlow said: Siren.Ilax said: Caitsith.Crunkie said: you either get quad attack proc or triple attack proc, they can both happen... you must not have the weapon or some ***. cuz i just put this on and went and hit some ***and got triple attack proc, and few minutes later I got a quad proc. do the testing and quit saying ***you havnt tested.
dude i never said you can't tripple attack with Twilight dagger, wtf...
QA BYPASS TA
that mean QA have a chance to byapass TA on Twilight dagger.
never said TA wont happen with twilight, wtf ppl seriously.
And we wouldn't want to attack four times instead of three now would we. Good Lord no.
If you don't have FULL +2 then yes Twilight dagger all the way is probably best choice, but with FULL +2, common, i even tossed all maths about it, i am wrong???? where... If i am not then why keep argue is better? (Second chance i undelete my first post)
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2011-01-25 14:23:44
Fenrir.Mtmoogle said: Bahamut.Enkidou said: Fenrir.Mtmoogle said: Bahamut.Enkidou said: Best part about not having every job at level 90 is the sex in female vagina's in real life. It's neat. really weird wording lol "sex in female vagina's" That's typically where I have mine. you imply some males have vaginas lol (i dont FYI) Ever heard of Buck Angel?
Bahamut.Enkidou
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By Bahamut.Enkidou 2011-01-25 14:25:24
Fenrir.Mtmoogle said: Bahamut.Enkidou said: Fenrir.Mtmoogle said: Bahamut.Enkidou said: Best part about not having every job at level 90 is the sex in female vagina's in real life. It's neat. really weird wording lol "sex in female vagina's" That's typically where I have mine. you imply some males have vaginas lol (i dont FYI)
They do on Fenrir.
...wait, you're on Fenrir. Hold up. Change servers chop quick like so I can crack on Ilax.
/highfive
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By Fenrir.Mtmoogle 2011-01-25 14:27:27
Fenrir.Nightfyre said: Fenrir.Mtmoogle said: Bahamut.Enkidou said: Fenrir.Mtmoogle said: Bahamut.Enkidou said: Best part about not having every job at level 90 is the sex in female vagina's in real life. It's neat. really weird wording lol "sex in female vagina's" That's typically where I have mine. you imply some males have vaginas lol (i dont FYI) Ever heard of Buck Angel? no, now i know im afraid to look him up
must...
resist...
the urge to google....
him...
Bahamut.Enkidou
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By Bahamut.Enkidou 2011-01-25 14:30:05
Quote: Buck Angel (born 1972) is an FTM Transsexual and adult filmmaker. He received the 2007 AVN Award as Transsexual Performer of the Year, and works as an advocate, educator and lecturer.
An educator, huh?
Fenrir.Ilax
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By Fenrir.Ilax 2011-01-25 14:34:16
Updated main post with mistake removed...
I see again how nice comment ppl post once again...
And you *** call me immature? Just freaking wake up...
wait a min maybe i should delete it again and start trolling like a jerk too since it seem to be again more interesting.
Ragnarok.Flippant
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By Ragnarok.Flippant 2011-01-25 14:35:01
Wow, this thread went downhill very quickly. Sure, I was expecting some people to point out Ilax's mistakes and him get upset yet again, but...
Ilax, first of all, just calm down. Sadly, you're making this worse for yourself. The more people see you getting upset, the more people are going to come to this thread (which is probably past the point of salvaging already) and troll you.
Secondly, there are a few of us whose posts -are- worth reading. Adler Ring is a bad ring for the reason that many people have stated: your accuracy is capped pretty much 99% of the time. Speaking of which, I'm sure you could also comfortably substitute Agasaya's Collar with a Tiercel Necklace in the first set.
I see your posts about THF. You use a lot of math, but you make a lot of mistakes, and people are going to notice this. I, for one, can at least appreciate that you're trying, but you really need to listen more if you want people to take you seriously. Well, listen more to the right people anyway.
To pretty much 90% of the people posting in this thread: can you please find something else to do with your time than make fun of a guy whose first language is quite obviously not English? Contrary to what you may think, America is not the only country in this world. Furthermore, you're just contributing to the destruction of this thread, which I was looking forward to myself ;(
Bahamut.Enkidou
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By Bahamut.Enkidou 2011-01-25 14:35:12
Fenrir.Ilax said: Updated main post with mistake removed...
I see again how nice comment ppl post once again...
And you *** call me immature? Just freaking wake up...
wait a min maybe i should delete it again and start trolling like a jerk too since it seem to be again more interesting.
Buck Angel wants you to nut up, Nancy.
Siren.Ilax
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By Siren.Ilax 2011-01-25 14:36:32
Bahamut.Enkidou said: Quote: Buck Angel (born 1972) is an FTM Transsexual and adult filmmaker. He received the 2007 AVN Award as Transsexual Performer of the Year, and works as an advocate, educator and lecturer.
An educator, huh?
I mean seriously stop taking you dream to be true, and you know is disgusting dreaming about that kind of ***man....
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By Bahamut.Raenryong 2011-01-25 14:39:51
Ragnarok.Flippant said: Contrary to what you may think, America is not the only country in this world.
I know right, England is a cool place too.
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By Ragnarok.Flippant 2011-01-25 14:41:18
Bahamut.Raenryong said: Ragnarok.Flippant said: Contrary to what you may think, America is not the only country in this world.
I know right, England is a cool place too.
I have to admit, nothing beats a British accent :x
Bahamut.Enkidou
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By Bahamut.Enkidou 2011-01-25 14:41:39
Bahamut.Raenryong said: Ragnarok.Flippant said: Contrary to what you may think, America is not the only country in this world.
I know right, England is a cool place too.
Wonder what they speak there.
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By Bismarck.Dracondria 2011-01-25 14:42:49
Bahamut.Raenryong said: Ragnarok.Flippant said: Contrary to what you may think, America is not the only country in this world.
I know right, England is a cool place too.
No >_>
Fenrir.Snick
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By Fenrir.Snick 2011-01-25 14:43:08
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By Bahamut.Raenryong 2011-01-25 14:43:18
>:3
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2011-01-25 14:44:16
Fenrir.Snick said: ITT: Canada Eh?
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Bahamut.Lolserj
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By Bahamut.Lolserj 2011-01-25 14:46:27
Fenrir.Nightfyre said: Fenrir.Snick said: ITT: Canada Eh?
what's he talking aboot?
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By Fenrir.Snick 2011-01-25 14:47:18
Fenrir.Nightfyre said: Fenrir.Snick said: ITT: Canada Eh? I'm sorry Night, but this ***is exactly why I can't be motivated to play anymore :<
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2011-01-25 14:49:35
Fenrir.Snick said: Fenrir.Nightfyre said: Fenrir.Snick said: ITT: Canada Eh? I'm sorry Night, but this ***is exactly why I can't be motivated to play anymore :< ; ;
Siren.Ilax
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By Siren.Ilax 2011-01-25 14:52:19
Ragnarok.Flippant said: Wow, this thread went downhill very quickly. Sure, I was expecting some people to point out Ilax's mistakes and him get upset yet again, but...
Ilax, first of all, just calm down. Sadly, you're making this worse for yourself. The more people see you getting upset, the more people are going to come to this thread (which is probably past the point of salvaging already) and troll you.
Secondly, there are a few of us whose posts -are- worth reading. Adler Ring is a bad ring for the reason that many people have stated: your accuracy is capped pretty much 99% of the time. Speaking of which, I'm sure you could also comfortably substitute Agasaya's Collar with a Tiercel Necklace in the first set.
I see your posts about THF. You use a lot of math, but you make a lot of mistakes, and people are going to notice this. I, for one, can at least appreciate that you're trying, but you really need to listen more if you want people to take you seriously. Well, listen more to the right people anyway.
To pretty much 90% of the people posting in this thread: can you please find something else to do with your time than make fun of a guy whose first language is quite obviously not English? Contrary to what you may think, America is not the only country in this world. Furthermore, you're just contributing to the destruction of this thread, which I was looking forward to myself ;(
I know, i do mistake on maths, i never said i was perfect, i was kinda talking about it, if my maths is wrong bc of something i did not figure, then i am more then happy to fix it and see if i was wrong, anyone can be wrong at some point, do not mean to flame them for mistake, and i hardly deal with ppl trolling.
Really apologize for garbage i wrote after ppl start trolling, just getting tire of it and seem to happen more and more frequently on ffxiah.com forum.
For Adler ring, i don't use parser, some of my friend do, and i still have tiny problem with Acc, i still do event outside abyssea (sky,salvage,dynamis, limbus ect). Using adler in abyssea is probably wrong, i never really ask my friend bc his parser is broken since last update, but i had the feeling i was missing more then i should.
Rare are the time i use my thf for Merit PT, most of the time i fight NM on my thf in abyssea, that maybe explain a bit too, idk. Tbh with you i just got hell surprise ppl treat that ring as garbage.
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2011-01-25 14:59:36
Accuracy is definitely not an issue outside Abyssea right now, the skills you've gained by leveling up along with decreased level correction more than take care of that.
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By Fenrir.Snick 2011-01-25 15:03:36
Fenrir.Nightfyre said: Accuracy is definitely not an issue outside Abyssea right now, the skills you've gained by leveling up along with decreased level correction more than take care of that. *** you I got 16 90s ***
This *** is lvl 1440, he needs that addler ring
Fenrir.Ilax
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By Fenrir.Ilax 2011-01-25 15:06:03
Guess it was just a feeling that i was missing more then i should, i gonna try again rajas.
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Bahamut.Enkidou
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By Bahamut.Enkidou 2011-01-25 15:06:05
Fenrir.Nightfyre said: Accuracy is definitely not an issue outside Abyssea right now, the skills you've gained by leveling up along with decreased level correction more than take care of that.
Well, depends on if he Abyssea burned his way to the top. His dagger skill might be 113 right at level 90 right now.
Fenrir.Ilax
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By Fenrir.Ilax 2011-01-25 15:09:51
Fenrir.Snick said: Fenrir.Nightfyre said: Accuracy is definitely not an issue outside Abyssea right now, the skills you've gained by leveling up along with decreased level correction more than take care of that. *** you I got 16 90s ***
This *** is lvl 1440, he needs that addler ring
Can you please go troll someone else, this is getting old.
P.S: I/you forget to say about 20 job full merit. mkbye
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I'd like to first cite this:
http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Estoqueur%27s_+2_Armor_Set
For those of you too busy to search through it, At the bottom, it implies that wearing the full set grants a bonus above expected with the previous pieces.
Elaborating, 2 pieces extends Duration of buffs casted on others under the effects of Composure by 10%, 3 gives 20%, and so on. 5/5 Expected bonus was 40%, however the bonus is 62.5%, proving, more or less, that it appears full +2 Set grants a bonus to the "Set bonus" beyond expected values.
now, With optimal gear on THF, it is possible to reach 24% Haste and full 5/5+2, (25% if you wear Rapidus, I would not), through means of the following:
*Raider's+2 Head - 6%
*Raider's+2 Body - 5%
*Raider's+2 Legs - 5%
*Twilight Belt - 7%
*Tiercal Necklace- 1%
This totals 24% Haste (About 1.4~% from true haste cap)
Now, The assumed value of Triple Damage proc on THF+2 with 2 sets was 1%, 3 2%, etc etc, up to 5/5 expected 4%, now, If its like RDM set, it means we might expect to see about a 6% Proc rate on 5/5+2, 3% more over 4/5 (Which is usually required to cap haste safely for THF).
Now i know the "Triple Damage" is not a straight mod, there is something further at work here, as with a short test on Fear (?) mobs in Abyssea-Altepa, my Average SA in my TP gear showed about average ~900~1,100 Damage (which for the test was 5/5 THF+2). Activated a "set bonus" to see a 4,300 Damage Sneak Attack, Well beyond expect "3x" Value of 3,300. Others have reported strange Damage spikes beyond the norm, so it could not be just a simple "3x" mod.
No, I know its usefulness will widely vary based on your current gear/buffs due to them having a direct impact on Triple Attack rate. I'd like for the sake of Argument to assume a 34% Triple Attack rate:
10%Base(merits)
3% Head
3% Ring
3% Dagger
15% AoA
There is also a bit to factor in current Haste (buffs/songs), Dual Wield, etc, to determine if you're getting truly that last 1% haste as well.
I'd like the opinion of fellow THFs. I have found myself in Abyssea TP'ing in 5/5 THF+2 simply for the added rate of Set-bonus rate, And it is to my liking, seeing ~600 DMG Critsx3 in succession with some luck has favored me toward it. But i often times question is validity or usefulness.
So, In conclusion, I question, Is the assumed gain of a 3% chance to 'Triple' your damage output via Triple Attack worth a sacrificing in 1% Haste value? 0.~4% if using Rapidus?
I would much appreciate any Input and discussion on the subject, as i really have no other person to ask.
(The one i did usually ask has more or less been on hiatus for a while)
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