Kujata.Thud said:
Also, don't forget to take into consideration your x-hit! Not as critical as it is for 2handed jobs, but still worth considering. If wearing Iga back over Atheling for example pushes your x-hit down 1, it's likely worth wearing.
NIN TP Set/s
NIN TP set/s
Is this really worth taking into consideration inside Abyssea? With all the double attack/triple attack gear available to NIN plus Apoc, I find it pretty rare to not go over a hit or two. Loleyeballing though.
I find it odd that people say store TP is less effective on jobs like Nin and Thf. The truth is that it takes large amounts of store tp to make an impact on 2hander jobs (to break x-hit builds), while it only takes small amounts to make a difference on 1handers. Going from a 20-hit to a 19-hit to an 18-hit only takes a couple store tp. Almost any amount of store tp you can get on 1hander will be that much of an increase in WS frequency (although you might not notice it while eyeballing). Granted, you shouldn't trade haste or DA/TA for store tp.
Titan.Wubby said:
Kujata.Thud said:
Also, don't forget to take into consideration your x-hit! Not as critical as it is for 2handed jobs, but still worth considering. If wearing Iga back over Atheling for example pushes your x-hit down 1, it's likely worth wearing.
Phoenix.Kirana said:
Granted, you shouldn't trade haste or DA/TA for store tp.
Not always true, even for 1 handers moving down a hit would be around >5% ws freq. 0 -> 5% DA is only around a 4.7% Increase, even Haste can lose to -hit outside of high haste situations.
But yeah, if not losing a hit then it's pretty garbage in comparison.
Is what I am currently eyeing, I know there are a few pieces that are kinda out of my reach atm but a nice star to shoot for none the less.
It does not reach the true haste cap of 25.etc.% but 25% even is good enough for me.
Also I think STP on nin can be overrated if you are not getting nice round numbers, currently I have Rajas and Brutal in my TP set and I think I need one more swing to get over 100%
The above set gives +8 STP which I think should get me to 100% a little sooner, leaving my other ring slot for some accuracy.
I realize in abyssea it's all about getting a lot of swings in and not so much about accuracy but I feel in or out may as well go for a general TP set you don't have to highly specialize and customize for every possible situation.
That's my 2 cents
edit: If you wanted to shoot for true haste cap you could just trade out the gloves for dusk+1 if you are lucky enough to have them.
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My current TP set for NIN, it still needs work. Still working on getting Epona's Ring, +2 head and legs.
Edit: this should not have been a necro bump, so those that are gonna say something, sorry.
1% over shot on haste, but as a set to pass by should work for most things as you get better stuff, you are on the right track.
As far as neck, Rancor Collar would be the better neck to TP in if you can afford the additional damage, ie: evasion/shadow jobs.
I think most of us, in cases where we can't take the extra damage, use our Erimaki. Good luck getting that, though. It's notorious for not dropping.
Also, imo, you should prioritize +2ing your zukin first. 6% Haste with an additional 5% Dual-Wield is amazing.
I think most of us, in cases where we can't take the extra damage, use our Erimaki. Good luck getting that, though. It's notorious for not dropping.
Also, imo, you should prioritize +2ing your zukin first. 6% Haste with an additional 5% Dual-Wield is amazing.
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My current TP set...
Byakko's Haidate with STP +3 Crit Hit Dmg +2 (still trying to better this )
Sekka +3 is Str/attk one.
Byakko's Haidate with STP +3 Crit Hit Dmg +2 (still trying to better this )
Sekka +3 is Str/attk one.
Whats the deal with Mars's over Raja's? I can't tell when I should use one or the other... Dyna/easy stuff use Raja's, VW use Mars's?
Ragnarok.Xenophire said: »
I think most of us, in cases where we can't take the extra damage, use our Erimaki. Good luck getting that, though. It's notorious for not dropping.
Also, imo, you should prioritize +2ing your zukin first. 6% Haste with an additional 5% Dual-Wield is amazing.
Also, imo, you should prioritize +2ing your zukin first. 6% Haste with an additional 5% Dual-Wield is amazing.
Erimaki suprisingly was not all that hard to get, 1/4 on it, no blue proc. For my set, the +2 head is top priority. Once head and legs are done, I will be 1% over haste cap, but there really is not any way around that at this point. After all that, the task of configuring the WS set for Kikoku when I finish it :/.
Torero Torque ftw.
Sylph.Otsego said: »
Erimaki suprisingly was not all that hard to get, 1/4 on it, no blue proc. For my set, the +2 head is top priority. Once head and legs are done, I will be 1% over haste cap, but there really is not any way around that at this point. After all that, the task of configuring the WS set for Kikoku when I finish it :/.
This is my TP set:
Missing all 3 pieces for Usu Feet. :C
I use full AF3+2 with Twilight Belt. That's 23% haste but I ALWAYS have haste cast on me by my own whm.
Dual wield V = 35%. Head = 5% Supa = 5% total of 45% Dual Wield
Atheling Mantle, Brutal, and Epona's with Twilight = 13% DA, 3% TA + 10% DA from WAR sub = 23% DA, 3% TA
My offhand katana is occ att 2-4 times + 10% extra swing from full set on off hand.
Out side of marches I don't know if it's possible to swing faster.
Dual wield V = 35%. Head = 5% Supa = 5% total of 45% Dual Wield
Atheling Mantle, Brutal, and Epona's with Twilight = 13% DA, 3% TA + 10% DA from WAR sub = 23% DA, 3% TA
My offhand katana is occ att 2-4 times + 10% extra swing from full set on off hand.
Out side of marches I don't know if it's possible to swing faster.
Phoenix.Hawkhellfire said: »
My offhand katana is occ att 2-4 times + 10% extra swing from full set on off hand.
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Phoenix.Hawkhellfire said: »
I use full AF3+2 with Twilight Belt. That's 23% haste but I ALWAYS have haste cast on me by my own whm.
Out side of marches I don't know if it's possible to swing faster.
Out side of marches I don't know if it's possible to swing faster.
Also, there is a way to swing faster. Cap Haste and use AF/AF+1 body.
I am pretty sure that the att rate is capped at 80% total.
45% Dual Wield, 24% haste from gear, 15% haste from spell = 84%
Wouldn't adding more Dual Wield just lower the amount of TP gained per swing? And wouldn't adding more haste not do anything due to SE's cap? They might have raised it but I remember something with DRK's Desperate Blows where they hit the 80% cap years ago and that's when it was discovered. I could be wrong, please correct me if I am.
45% Dual Wield, 24% haste from gear, 15% haste from spell = 84%
Wouldn't adding more Dual Wield just lower the amount of TP gained per swing? And wouldn't adding more haste not do anything due to SE's cap? They might have raised it but I remember something with DRK's Desperate Blows where they hit the 80% cap years ago and that's when it was discovered. I could be wrong, please correct me if I am.
Phoenix.Hawkhellfire said: »
I am pretty sure that the att rate is capped at 80% total.
You mean delay?
Phoenix.Hawkhellfire said: »
I am pretty sure that the att rate is capped at 80% total.
45% Dual Wield, 24% haste from gear, 15% haste from spell = 84%
Wouldn't adding more Dual Wield just lower the amount of TP gained per swing? And wouldn't adding more haste not do anything due to SE's cap? They might have raised it but I remember something with DRK's Desperate Blows where they hit the 80% cap years ago and that's when it was discovered. I could be wrong, please correct me if I am.
45% Dual Wield, 24% haste from gear, 15% haste from spell = 84%
Wouldn't adding more Dual Wield just lower the amount of TP gained per swing? And wouldn't adding more haste not do anything due to SE's cap? They might have raised it but I remember something with DRK's Desperate Blows where they hit the 80% cap years ago and that's when it was discovered. I could be wrong, please correct me if I am.
Think of it this way. Dual wield reduces the actual delay of your weapons before anything else is applied. Haste is then applied onto that already reduced delay.
Phoenix.Hawkhellfire said: »
I am pretty sure that the att rate is capped at 80% total.
45% Dual Wield, 24% haste from gear, 15% haste from spell = 84%
Wouldn't adding more Dual Wield just lower the amount of TP gained per swing? And wouldn't adding more haste not do anything due to SE's cap? They might have raised it but I remember something with DRK's Desperate Blows where they hit the 80% cap years ago and that's when it was discovered. I could be wrong, please correct me if I am.
45% Dual Wield, 24% haste from gear, 15% haste from spell = 84%
Wouldn't adding more Dual Wield just lower the amount of TP gained per swing? And wouldn't adding more haste not do anything due to SE's cap? They might have raised it but I remember something with DRK's Desperate Blows where they hit the 80% cap years ago and that's when it was discovered. I could be wrong, please correct me if I am.
that set actually has 50% DW. 35% from traits, 5% from each of the body, head, and ear.
the total delay is capped at 80% reductions. However, Dual Wield and Haste are not additive in the same step, like DW +Gear haste +Spell haste. you factor in your dual wield first, and get a new delay for each weapon, then add in all the haste from gear/spells.
in his set, he would have a total of 70% delay reduction. to hit cap, he would need Victory March, at which point, if the bard had capped skills, would allow him to drop nin chainmail for Iga/Mextli/Koga+2
Bismarck.Snprphnx said: »
if the bard had capped skills, would allow him to drop nin chainmail for Iga/Mextli/Koga+2
Ragnarok.Xenophire said: »
Bismarck.Snprphnx said: »
if the bard had capped skills, would allow him to drop nin chainmail for Iga/Mextli/Koga+2
thats correct, not really capped. a combine 600 skill caps march 2 at 12.5%, but i wasnt sure what the cap for brd music skills was
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Here ya go, this is what I use, sure you could change some stuff, but this has wicked dual wield, decent stp and capped haste.
Koga Tekko +2 allows for Goading Belt, sure peeps will say DA from twilight, but this set has been working awesomely for me and is decently attainable.
Ditto on accs, possibly better out there, but apples and oranges.
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Don't know how to post item sets correctly, so you might have to click that link up there if it doesn't embed.
Here ya go, this is what I use, sure you could change some stuff, but this has wicked dual wield, decent stp and capped haste.
Koga Tekko +2 allows for Goading Belt, sure peeps will say DA from twilight, but this set has been working awesomely for me and is decently attainable.
Ditto on accs, possibly better out there, but apples and oranges.
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