Old FFXI Vs New FFXI

These are all stupid arguments. If you want it to be challenging, DON'T use Bard rotations and DRK zergs.

For god's sake, you guys are using ToggleGodMode, then complaining everything is too easy.

further proof that you have no idea what you are talking about due to mentioning drk but not war



don't use atmas/brews if you want abyssea to be challenging etc

lold

further proof you are trying too hard

Abyssea bosses were built around the idea of cruor buffs and atma. Older fights were not built around specific strategies (except a few, zerg resistant ones). I know most of it wasn't "hard" once you mastered strategies, but it still utilized a group. You had people playing different roles, it was the skill of the players that made it as easy as it seemed, not atma. Something like JOL, you needed to depend on your tank, you needed to depend on your healers and buffers and you depended on DD. Abyssea is just a DD + healer, no specific strategy outside of increasing drops with grellow/blue/red.

Compare that to the old days? My main gripe with Abyssea is just the low man crap, how you can walk into abyssea and see a nin + whm dual box everywhere you go. What happened to people being in linkshells and teaming up and getting ***done? I liked playing with my friends and doing Limbus, Dynamis etc. Everyone just wants the top of the line gear ASAP now, they want to put 20m into the game and beat it. I just dunno, what is the rush.

I still do events with my LS but I meant people in the game in general. I do maximize my efficiency in Abyssea, it's easy so why not make extra profit. I just miss the old days when I could have options for events like that, now it's just mostly splitting up and doing x y and z as a collective group only in Abyssea, all other events rendered useless for most part or only low manned for small incentives.

You still do all this though sir.

Eh not like I used to, it's all Abyssea now. With what the new stuff is looking like, just seems like more low man crap.

Wrong.


Also, people saying ffxi today is easy mode clearly don't remember how easy everything was at 75 cap, bar AV. And no one kills AV without zerging. And zerging =! talented play for large groups.

Really? You must be mistaken.

As long as you're playing with your friends shouldn't that be enough though? Having a good time with your lsmate pals. I'm sure the occasional nin or mnk+whm isn't effecting you that much.

just another day on ah.com

But they're in the game so why shouldn't we use them! Etc etc etc. People *** too much.

I didn't rush to get any of what I have. I just have a lot of freetime atm because I took the semester off due to personal reasons.

i love the leo swagger <3

Ok, wyrm ksnm 99 could be... duoed? Tiamat could be 5 manned. Omega could be done with a party. Ultima with a party. Aspid could be done with 4-5. KB same. Nidhogg could be killed with 4-6.

Yes. All these fights required absolutely flawless play by 18 players of the highest caliber.

Bahamut V2 was zerged. PW's last form was zerged. Einherjar was zerged. Odin could be killed by a party.

It goes on and on.

Who says group oriented content is 18 players? Those are bare minimums tbh, most fights were just a bit over that or just around. JOL, some ZNMs etc are missing from that list. Comparing average groups of today to average groups of old XI, those are bare minimum numbers.

Ok? And none of it was challenging in the least. I have high hopes for Voidwatch. But everyone's claim at how much easier xi is now is just funny.

And people that say FFXI today isn't easy seem to forget about Brews. Atma. WHM being overpowered and NIN and MNK being practically invincible.

PW's last form was zerged? Does he have two forms? Yeah Einherjar was zerged but it required a group and specific strat for certain bosses and people to know wtf. You are grossly overexaggerating, these are bare minimums and weren't always the norm. This is again, after strategies were done over and over to perfection, nowhere near what Abyssea's ease is at it's best though.

Are you HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE? You are honestly comparing 6 man odins and duo KS99 Wyrm to mnk + whm cure spam? You think they require the same skill and "challenge"?

Brews are used for mass killing of nms for empyreans and to quickly get things done that would take forever. The only fight that would be hard without a brew would be shinryu, just from the massive amount of *** that he can throw at you.

You want challenge, go kill shinryu without a brew.

Inb4 but I have brews so why shouldn't I?

Go mnk+whm and kill every heroes nm.

You know what? You can't.

Are you saying the bare minimum for JOL @ 75 was 18 ppl or am i misunderstanding?

It's no easier than it used to be, just more accessible for lowman.

I agree with Draylo. I remember before abyssea, I at least had to look up all the NMs and fights to see what they do, what status effects, etc.

Now in abyssea, it's just "kill it". I don't think twice about what anything does.