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Best Job?
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By Siren.Enternius 2011-01-14 04:05:45
Pandemonium.Spicyryan said: Man. It must be hard for you to find a girl you like then in PR. No way, Darki lives in Puerto Rico. That would suggest there's plenty of prostitutes. They're not hard to find.
Sylph.Kimble
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By Sylph.Kimble 2011-01-14 04:42:15
Pchan still hasnt explained to me how PLD is the 7th best job in the game :/
Leviathan.Draylo
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By Leviathan.Draylo 2011-01-14 04:42:57
Has some of the best looking armor!
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By Bahamut.Raenryong 2011-01-14 05:24:18
Lakshmi.Emanuelle said: flat ***, flat boobs, skinny toothpick i never considered mithra being hot, still can't match the elezen female from ff14
Flat?! That's a pretty misleading angle but it's notably not flat, see wlegs/hotpants/etcetc. The boobs are pretty small depending on gear ya :( but *** > boobs. I wouldn't call them toothpick, just toned <_< I could give you many examples of toothpick women...
Quote: We could spend a few pages bashing that. But it really doesn't matter when I am playing white mage does it?
tl;dr: because I'm playing a stupidly overpowered job I can get by without needing good gear?
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By Shiva.Flionheart 2011-01-14 05:54:09
Shiva.Nikolce said: Fenrir.Nightfyre said: Shiva.Nikolce said: You built all those limitations up in your own mind, it's the gears fault or it's the mages fault or it's se fault.... Your nin wasn't garbage in Aurore, you just didn't know how to play the job, lol See, actually I did know how to play NIN as a DD/solo/eva tank job right off the bat. ***'s not hard after all, and I have experience with DNC which plays in a very similar manner along with being willing and able to do research on jobs that interest me and an understanding of gameplay concepts that means I know how to gear and execute a job with a minimum of playtime. What actually happened was I gained 4 haste, 5 attack, and enhances Yonin effect by going straight from Aurore to Iga Hakama +2. 5 attack is ~1% at best to my TP phase damage, but still an increase over my output previously. 4 haste on the other hand was at minimum a 5% increase in damage output for me, and in many situations it's more around 10%. It's also faster weakness procs, which opens even more opportunities and means we're not wasting time. You tell me that if I cloned my character and played them both, one with Aurore legs and one with Iga +2, and I'd have the exact same performance on each, I will laugh in your face. You tell me that going from a crappy eva set to a shiny one, meaning that I can drop some of that eva for DD gear if appropriate, and it doesn't increase my capabilities, and I'll laugh all the harder. Even if it didn't increase the number of NMs I can tank, it'd enable me to kill more things in a given timeframe. My time is precious and I only spend so much of it on FFXI, so that's a valuable increase. Let's discuss the limitations of your SAM. You can't roll shadows for ***, the mob may TP more with you on it because it gets more attacks in, and your general output is terrible. You are not fit to tank and you can only barely be considered a DD. All the aggressive play in the world isn't going to make a bit of difference when it takes you a year and a day just to get TP. You have no PDT or MDT gear and as such, combined with your inability to roll shadows worth a damn, you are an MP sink. Now you're dragging down your entire alliance. What then? Knowledge is only half the equation. The tools to use it is the other half, and it's clear you lack both.
lol you forgot atmas, you could wear rse if you wanted to, your gear no longer makes any differce whatsoever, welcome to abyssea. Your gear matters about as much as what clothes you wear in rl while you play. But thanks for getting all rilled up that was fun. Eat some HQ Food, buy all the cruor enhancements, infuse three really good atmas and viola! You can solo anything they put in front of you on whm/dnc buck naked if you want too...if you got the skills.
You also forgot to learn how to read, this whole dialog started a few pages back with my contention that most complaints about the quality of mages in the game are do to lack of skill of the complaining party. Just my observation ss a whm. This wild tangent about my sucky sam gear is oh so completely irrelevant. I have sucky gear for my lolpup too. We could spend a few pages bashing that. But it really doesn't matter when I am playing white mage does it?
And so kids the moral of the story is it doesn't matter what job you decide to level, if you learn how to play it well you will go far in this game. Sure you will meet a couple of douchebags along the way, but don't let it ruin your fun. You can get all hung up on gear and jobs and blah blah blah but then you will have all the fun squeazed out of you and you'll end up like Nightfyre.
Or you could have gear and skill and win the whole shabang.
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Gilgamesh.Tweeek
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By Gilgamesh.Tweeek 2011-01-14 10:42:58
Shiva.Nikolce said: Fenrir.Nightfyre said: Shiva.Nikolce said: You built all those limitations up in your own mind, it's the gears fault or it's the mages fault or it's se fault.... Your nin wasn't garbage in Aurore, you just didn't know how to play the job, lol See, actually I did know how to play NIN as a DD/solo/eva tank job right off the bat. ***'s not hard after all, and I have experience with DNC which plays in a very similar manner along with being willing and able to do research on jobs that interest me and an understanding of gameplay concepts that means I know how to gear and execute a job with a minimum of playtime. What actually happened was I gained 4 haste, 5 attack, and enhances Yonin effect by going straight from Aurore to Iga Hakama +2. 5 attack is ~1% at best to my TP phase damage, but still an increase over my output previously. 4 haste on the other hand was at minimum a 5% increase in damage output for me, and in many situations it's more around 10%. It's also faster weakness procs, which opens even more opportunities and means we're not wasting time. You tell me that if I cloned my character and played them both, one with Aurore legs and one with Iga +2, and I'd have the exact same performance on each, I will laugh in your face. You tell me that going from a crappy eva set to a shiny one, meaning that I can drop some of that eva for DD gear if appropriate, and it doesn't increase my capabilities, and I'll laugh all the harder. Even if it didn't increase the number of NMs I can tank, it'd enable me to kill more things in a given timeframe. My time is precious and I only spend so much of it on FFXI, so that's a valuable increase. Let's discuss the limitations of your SAM. You can't roll shadows for ***, the mob may TP more with you on it because it gets more attacks in, and your general output is terrible. You are not fit to tank and you can only barely be considered a DD. All the aggressive play in the world isn't going to make a bit of difference when it takes you a year and a day just to get TP. You have no PDT or MDT gear and as such, combined with your inability to roll shadows worth a damn, you are an MP sink. Now you're dragging down your entire alliance. What then? Knowledge is only half the equation. The tools to use it is the other half, and it's clear you lack both.
lol you forgot atmas, you could wear rse if you wanted to, your gear no longer makes any differce whatsoever, welcome to abyssea. Your gear matters about as much as what clothes you wear in rl while you play. But thanks for getting all rilled up that was fun. Eat some HQ Food, buy all the cruor enhancements, infuse three really good atmas and viola! You can solo anything they put in front of you on whm/dnc buck naked if you want too...if you got the skills.
You also forgot to learn how to read, this whole dialog started a few pages back with my contention that most complaints about the quality of mages in the game are do to lack of skill of the complaining party. Just my observation ss a whm. This wild tangent about my sucky sam gear is oh so completely irrelevant. I have sucky gear for my lolpup too. We could spend a few pages bashing that. But it really doesn't matter when I am playing white mage does it?
And so kids the moral of the story is it doesn't matter what job you decide to level, if you learn how to play it well you will go far in this game. Sure you will meet a couple of douchebags along the way, but don't let it ruin your fun. You can get all hung up on gear and jobs and blah blah blah but then you will have all the fun squeazed out of you and you'll end up like Nightfyre.
no one uses haste atmas.
also you can tell pretty quickly just by attack rate alone a well geared NIN vs not.
lastly, I take offense that anyone can do well as WHM I think I've seen several people complain about shitty WHMs, many people don't take the job seriously, many don't even fully understand all of their JAs and spells to be as efficient as possible.
I agree that you don't need the best gear to have fun playing the game, but I think you should always be working on improving your toon to raise the ceiling that someone called out before.
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By Ramuh.Bigdawgrr 2011-01-14 10:57:10
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Quetzalcoatl.Volkom
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By Quetzalcoatl.Volkom 2011-01-14 11:18:39
Bahamut.Raenryong said: Lakshmi.Emanuelle said: flat ***, flat boobs, skinny toothpick i never considered mithra being hot, still can't match the elezen female from ff14 Flat?! That's a pretty misleading angle but it's notably not flat, see wlegs/hotpants/etcetc. The boobs are pretty small depending on gear ya :( but *** > boobs. I wouldn't call them toothpick, just toned <_< I could give you many examples of toothpick women... this is hotter than this
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Gilgamesh.Tweeek
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By Gilgamesh.Tweeek 2011-01-14 11:26:05
Ramuh.Bigdawgrr said: whats a toon
i dunno if srs.. but your character in game
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By Shiva.Flionheart 2011-01-14 11:37:50
Quetzalcoatl.Volkom said: Bahamut.Raenryong said: Lakshmi.Emanuelle said: flat ***, flat boobs, skinny toothpick i never considered mithra being hot, still can't match the elezen female from ff14 Flat?! That's a pretty misleading angle but it's notably not flat, see wlegs/hotpants/etcetc. The boobs are pretty small depending on gear ya :( but *** > boobs. I wouldn't call them toothpick, just toned <_< I could give you many examples of toothpick women... this is hotter than this Camel-toe.
Leviathan.Pimpchan
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By Leviathan.Pimpchan 2011-01-14 11:43:10
Sylph.Kimble said: Pchan still hasnt explained to me how PLD is the 7th best job in the game :/
Clearly PLD is more useful than cor, brd, sch, drg, pup w/e. Don't you know that SE offically admit that there are only 2-4 jobs in FFXI?
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By Bismarck.Dracondria 2011-01-14 11:45:44
Leviathan.Pimpchan said: Sylph.Kimble said: Pchan still hasnt explained to me how PLD is the 7th best job in the game :/
Clearly PLD is more useful than cor, brd, sch, drg, pup w/e. Don't you know that SE offically admit that there are only 2-4 jobs in FFXI?
lol
Leviathan.Pimpchan
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By Leviathan.Pimpchan 2011-01-14 12:05:31
don't need cor or bard in the magic whm+mnk setups nublet
Caitsith.Mahayaya
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By Caitsith.Mahayaya 2011-01-14 12:29:10
Sally's LS usually goes out with 18 members. 9 WHMs and 9 MNKs, each of the 9 pairs goes and fights different Notorious Monsters. The LS as a whole gets 54 drops per hour. If you replaced 3 MNKs and 3 WHMs with 6 BRDs, how many fewer drops would Sally see in an hour?
Answer: _____
Gilgamesh.Tweeek
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By Gilgamesh.Tweeek 2011-01-14 12:30:48
Leviathan.Pimpchan said: don't need cor or bard in the magic whm+mnk setups nublet
Because of the following fact this proves...
Leviathan.Pimpchan said: Sylph.Kimble said: Pchan still hasnt explained to me how PLD is the 7th best job in the game :/
Clearly PLD is more useful than cor, brd, sch, drg, pup w/e. Don't you know that SE offically admit that there are only 2-4 jobs in FFXI?
that? Very interesting.. PLD is more useful than COR and BRD because all 3 jobs are not needed in the MNK+WHM setup. Thank you for letting us know.
Caitsith.Mahayaya
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By Caitsith.Mahayaya 2011-01-14 12:33:50
Asura.Andevom said: Caitsith.Mahayaya said: Sally's LS usually goes out with 18 members. 9 WHMs and 9 MNKs, each of the 9 pairs goes and fights different Notorious Monsters. The LS as a whole gets 54 drops per hour. If you replaced 3 MNKs and 3 WHMs with 6 BRDs, how many fewer drops would Sally see in an hour? Answer: -10 fewer per hour Am I close?
I'll grade papers and send them back in a week, just be patient.
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By Shiva.Flionheart 2011-01-14 12:35:17
Leviathan.Pimpchan said: Sylph.Kimble said: Pchan still hasnt explained to me how PLD is the 7th best job in the game :/
Clearly PLD is more useful than cor, brd, sch, drg, pup w/e. Don't you know that SE offically admit that there are only 2-4 jobs in FFXI?
Show me this official quote.
Also lol @ PLD being more useful than BRD.
I think you need to go make me a sammich.
Quetzalcoatl.Volkom
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By Quetzalcoatl.Volkom 2011-01-14 12:38:28
*Can't wait till the real FFXI game comes alive with new unrelated abyssea content*
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By Bahamut.Raenryong 2011-01-14 12:41:34
Leviathan.Pimpchan said: don't need cor or bard in the magic whm+mnk setups nublet
WHM+MNK is a non-gryellow NM killing combination. You want a different one for red and gryellow and Bard can only help. If you don't cleave etc, one is great for pulling. More buffs are helpful on some of the trickier NMs, etc etc.
Quetzalcoatl.Volkom
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By Quetzalcoatl.Volkom 2011-01-14 12:45:01
Bahamut.Raenryong said: Leviathan.Pimpchan said: don't need cor or bard in the magic whm+mnk setups nublet WHM+MNK is a non-gryellow NM killing combination. You want a different one for red and gryellow and Bard can only help. If you don't cleave etc, one is great for pulling. More buffs are helpful on some of the trickier NMs, etc etc. I'd like nin blm whm brd war blu for grellow/red =3
Caitsith.Mahayaya
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By Caitsith.Mahayaya 2011-01-14 12:49:46
Leviathan.Pimpchan said: don't need whm or monk in the magic rdm/nin setups nublet
Lakshmi.Aurilius
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By Lakshmi.Aurilius 2011-01-14 12:51:41
I dual boxed Bukhis twice last night with mnk + whm, so in conclusion paladin is useless!
I am going to use Pchan logic from now on. I WILL NEVER BE WRONG!!!
Leviathan.Pimpchan
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By Leviathan.Pimpchan 2011-01-14 14:27:48
Bahamut.Raenryong said: Leviathan.Pimpchan said: don't need cor or bard in the magic whm+mnk setups nublet
WHM+MNK is a non-gryellow NM killing combination. You want a different one for red and gryellow and Bard can only help. If you don't cleave etc, one is great for pulling. More buffs are helpful on some of the trickier NMs, etc etc. Noone gives a ***, abyssea is over now, get over it.
Caitsith.Mahayaya
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By Caitsith.Mahayaya 2011-01-14 14:30:46
Leviathan.Pimpchan said: Bahamut.Raenryong said: Leviathan.Pimpchan said: don't need cor or bard in the magic whm+mnk setups nublet WHM+MNK is a non-gryellow NM killing combination. You want a different one for red and gryellow and Bard can only help. If you don't cleave etc, one is great for pulling. More buffs are helpful on some of the trickier NMs, etc etc. Noone gives a ***, abyssea is over now, get over it.
Caitsith.Shiroi said: Funny how Pchan is still stuck on the WHM + MNK thing when MNK isn't even close to war power wise. He's such a bad troll =(
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By Bahamut.Raenryong 2011-01-14 14:32:21
Leviathan.Pimpchan said: Bahamut.Raenryong said: Leviathan.Pimpchan said: don't need cor or bard in the magic whm+mnk setups nublet
WHM+MNK is a non-gryellow NM killing combination. You want a different one for red and gryellow and Bard can only help. If you don't cleave etc, one is great for pulling. More buffs are helpful on some of the trickier NMs, etc etc. Noone gives a ***, abyssea is over now, get over it.
That's funny, I could've sworn there were at least 7 weeks to go until the next update which is still unlikely to completely obsolete Abyssea.
I'm sorry Pchan, did somebody call you out on your stupidity?
is that even necessary
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By Shiva.Flionheart 2011-01-14 14:33:29
Leviathan.Pimpchan said: Bahamut.Raenryong said: Leviathan.Pimpchan said: don't need cor or bard in the magic whm+mnk setups nublet
WHM+MNK is a non-gryellow NM killing combination. You want a different one for red and gryellow and Bard can only help. If you don't cleave etc, one is great for pulling. More buffs are helpful on some of the trickier NMs, etc etc. Noone gives a ***, abyssea is over now, get over it.
ITT: Pchan knows what the developers are planning
Also... Go make me a sammich.
A complex question to say the least, simply because of what we can be talking about, dmg output, soloing, the necessity of having a healer, whats the mob etc...
But, if you had to decide which job would be the best to take to 90 (99, whatever), taking these things into account what would you say comes out with the most pros? For example consider a graph, a questionnaire of scale, 1 -10, one category is DMG output over speicified amount of time, one is the ability to Solo on a scale of 1 - 10 (which would most likely rest on the amount of mobs the job can take on as opposed to which can take on the least)
Of these categories, what job would you say comes out with the most points?
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