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Best Job?
Caitsith.Mahayaya
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By Caitsith.Mahayaya 2011-01-13 09:12:14
Hey, DRG is good for something. It can spam hateless cures as DRG/Mage near infinitely. Stand outside range of your WAR or MNK tank and trigger healing breaths whenever you can. If you never make an action on the NM, it's even less hate than a WHM can do. If you do ever get hate, use Super Jump. Good thing to note for NMs that like to use lots of hate reset abilities.
By Luz 2011-01-13 09:14:05
I'm surprised DRG doesn't have a new tier of healing breath yet according to wiki. SE should throw DRG a bone, it's not like it would be game-breaking.
Caitsith.Mahayaya
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By Caitsith.Mahayaya 2011-01-13 09:18:52
Siren.Kunimatsu said: ROFL you guys arguin about the best job when im here laughing on the best job SUMMONER We outparse any DD job dude I can do like 2k predatur claus out my *** LOL. Wats with this BLU argument being the best cuz they have that quad continuminum that does like 3k only when using that primordial ooze abyssea item but lol this was back @ 80 FYI  We get HASTEGA LMAO oh boy are you RDM/WHM/SCH mad cuz we get that at like 46 xD and you have to cast it to each pt member. Out avatars take like halve damadge or sumthin so that makes them better than PLD roflmao they have to wear gear to even come close 2 that. We can do either magic or pysical damadge whenever we want so that makes us like a SAM/BLM but not crap like a player SAM/BLM LOL RIGHT? Avatars get tier 4 nukes at like 60, I dont know what those ones in the merits menu do but im sure they dont beat blizzard IV with shivas favor up cuz shiva has more MAB then a BLM that way
lol, so awesome
Luz said: I'm surprised DRG doesn't have a new tier of healing breath yet according to wiki. SE should throw DRG a bone, it's not like it would be game-breaking.
Well, in abyssea, with full on HP or Wyvern HP atmas and gear, you can probably get a full cure with AF2 helm and Emp neck.
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By Siren.Kunimatsu 2011-01-13 09:31:40
Caitsith.Shiroi said: Well he's right about 1 thing, smn is the most broken job because their summons can have -100% PDT in abyssea.
That got fixed in last update :/ still pretty powerful -PDT with ducal guard atma though
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By Fenrir.Terminus 2011-01-13 09:51:27
Sylph.Krsone said: edit:
Like the 2nd time Ive failed to spot sarcasm, happened when Draylo posted before, meh Im british too we're sposed to be the kings of irony, satire and sarcasm.
That is pretty ironic though, so you're ok. :D
Caitsith.Mahayaya
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By Caitsith.Mahayaya 2011-01-13 12:34:09
Figured I'd do a chart on my opinion of this.
| Ability |
WAR |
MNK |
WHM |
BLM |
RDM |
THF |
PLD |
DRK |
BST |
BRD |
RNG |
SAM |
NIN |
DRG |
SMN |
BLU |
COR |
PUP |
SCH |
DNC |
| 1 P. Damage |
10 |
9 |
3 |
1 |
2 |
5 |
4 |
4 |
5 |
4 |
7 |
7 |
8 |
7 |
2 |
6 |
5 |
0 |
2 |
6 |
| 1 M. Damage |
0 |
1 |
3 |
9 |
7 |
0 |
1 |
4 |
? |
0 |
0 |
0 |
5 |
0 |
6 |
6 |
5 |
0 |
10 |
0 |
| AoE Damage |
8 |
0 |
3 |
10 |
1 |
2 |
0 |
0 |
? |
2 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
5 |
9 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
| Healing |
0 |
1 |
10 |
1 |
6 |
0 |
4 |
1 |
? |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
8 |
4 |
8 |
0 |
0 |
6 |
6 |
| Enfeebling |
0 |
3 |
5 |
4 |
10 |
5 |
2 |
5 |
? |
6 |
0 |
1 |
7 |
0 |
5 |
6 |
0 |
0 |
5 |
6 |
| Solo Play |
2 |
4 |
7 |
7 |
10 |
8 |
8 |
5 |
9 |
5 |
3 |
4 |
9 |
8 |
7 |
8 |
6 |
0 |
9 |
9 |
| Total |
20 |
18 |
31 |
32 |
36 |
20 |
19 |
19 |
14+? |
17 |
10 |
12 |
29 |
23 |
29 |
43 |
16 |
lol |
32 |
27 |
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サーバ: Valefor
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By Valefor.Mininaori 2011-01-13 12:41:27
WTH man u hate pups?!!
Caitsith.Mahayaya
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By Caitsith.Mahayaya 2011-01-13 12:43:10
Valefor.Mininaori said: WTH man u hate pups?!!
lol, the PUP part is just a joke :P
I'd put their solo play really high actually. They'd be top ranked since they can do a little bit of everything.
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By Valefor.Mininaori 2011-01-13 12:45:07
ok hahaha i was like Omg so much Pup hater here. lol
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By Bahamut.Raenryong 2011-01-13 12:47:59
DRG only a 7/10 O_o?
Caitsith.Mahayaya
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By Caitsith.Mahayaya 2011-01-13 12:49:33
Bahamut.Raenryong said: DRG only a 7/10 O_o?
When I started it up, I wanted it to be comparable to the other jobs, but kind of threw that out the water once I got further on the chart.
WAR > MNK > NIN > Other jobs is what I had in mind.
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By Bahamut.Raenryong 2011-01-13 12:50:31
From math/personal experience etc, OaT 5hit capped haste DRG is only behind WAR/SAM by any significant amount <_> could be wrong. It does absolutely wtfrape.
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By Siren.Screamingbabies 2011-01-13 12:56:03
Siren.Kunimatsu said: ROFL you guys arguin about the best job when im here laughing on the best job SUMMONER
We outparse any DD job dude I can do like 2k predatur claus out my *** LOL. Wats with this BLU argument being the best cuz they have that quad continuminum that does like 3k only when using that primordial ooze abyssea item but lol this was back @ 80 FYI
We get HASTEGA LMAO oh boy are you RDM/WHM/SCH mad cuz we get that at like 46 xD and you have to cast it to each pt member.
Out avatars take like halve damadge or sumthin so that makes them better than PLD roflmao they have to wear gear to even come close 2 that.
We can do either magic or pysical damadge whenever we want so that makes us like a SAM/BLM but not crap like a player SAM/BLM LOL RIGHT? Avatars get tier 4 nukes at like 60, I dont know what those ones in the merits menu do but im sure they dont beat blizzard IV with shivas favor up cuz shiva has more MAB then a BLM that way
You know shiva doesnt get the affect of her own favor right? In fact, avatars attack and magic attack decreases with favor active.
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By Siren.Kunimatsu 2011-01-13 12:58:24
Siren.Screamingbabies said: Siren.Kunimatsu said: ROFL you guys arguin about the best job when im here laughing on the best job SUMMONER
We outparse any DD job dude I can do like 2k predatur claus out my *** LOL. Wats with this BLU argument being the best cuz they have that quad continuminum that does like 3k only when using that primordial ooze abyssea item but lol this was back @ 80 FYI
We get HASTEGA LMAO oh boy are you RDM/WHM/SCH mad cuz we get that at like 46 xD and you have to cast it to each pt member.
Out avatars take like halve damadge or sumthin so that makes them better than PLD roflmao they have to wear gear to even come close 2 that.
We can do either magic or pysical damadge whenever we want so that makes us like a SAM/BLM but not crap like a player SAM/BLM LOL RIGHT? Avatars get tier 4 nukes at like 60, I dont know what those ones in the merits menu do but im sure they dont beat blizzard IV with shivas favor up cuz shiva has more MAB then a BLM that way
You know shiva doesnt get the affect of her own favor right? In fact, avatars attack and magic attack decreases with favor active.
LOL yes.
Caitsith.Mahayaya
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By Caitsith.Mahayaya 2011-01-13 13:00:09
oh, I forgot a buffing category that would push RDM, WHM, SCH up quite a bit.
And an "instant versatile" category that would push SCH and BLU down a few points.
And lol @above. Can't believe people fell for that troll attempt >.>
Bahamut.Dasva
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By Bahamut.Dasva 2011-01-13 13:02:17
Caitsith.Mahayaya said: Hey, DRG is good for something. It can spam hateless cures as DRG/Mage near infinitely. Stand outside range of your WAR or MNK tank and trigger healing breaths whenever you can. If you never make an action on the NM, it's even less hate than a WHM can do. If you do ever get hate, use Super Jump. Good thing to note for NMs that like to use lots of hate reset abilities. If you got hate spamming dia or whatever on the mob... there is something seriously wrong going on. I hope that your tank ate a hate reset and you are just duoing lol.
Of course the only problem is that while you might be out of range you wyvern will most likely have to stay in range since HB range is ~10 from the target being cured. And the whole having to be under 50% hp thing... but if those aren't a problem in your fight then yeah super win
Also dmg jumps are a nice way to get tp and deal dmg without giving the mob any and get around spikes and such
Gilgamesh.Tweeek
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By Gilgamesh.Tweeek 2011-01-13 13:02:48
Caitsith.Mahayaya said: oh, I forgot a buffing category that would push RDM, WHM, SCH up quite a bit.
And lol @above. Can't believe people fell for that troll attempt >.>
make a chart that say WHM is awesome and we should love all WHMs :)
Bahamut.Dasva
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By Bahamut.Dasva 2011-01-13 13:05:37
Gilgamesh.Tweeek said: make a chart that say WHM is awesome and we should love all WHMs :) But that it should be in 24th place
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By Shiva.Nikolce 2011-01-13 13:07:30
Gilgamesh.Tweeek said: Caitsith.Mahayaya said: oh, I forgot a buffing category that would push RDM, WHM, SCH up quite a bit. And lol @above. Can't believe people fell for that troll attempt >.> make a chart that say WHM is awesome and we should love all WHMs :)
Amen brother.
I <3 the lolpup=0 chart but in what universe does sch out nuke a blm?
Caitsith.Mahayaya
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By Caitsith.Mahayaya 2011-01-13 13:07:50
I think RDM is the all-around best job with all things considered. Of course that doesn't mean it's any good at doing physical damage.
Shiva.Nikolce said: Gilgamesh.Tweeek said: Caitsith.Mahayaya said: oh, I forgot a buffing category that would push RDM, WHM, SCH up quite a bit. And lol @above. Can't believe people fell for that troll attempt >.> make a chart that say WHM is awesome and we should love all WHMs :) Amen brother. I <3 the lolpup=0 chart but in what universe does sch out nuke a blm?
I think SCH outdamages BLM in single targets if a SCH is focusing on Dark Arts and nukes. Of course BLM gets a 10 on multi-target damage.
The "Instant Vesatility" would push SCH down though.
Gilgamesh.Tweeek
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By Gilgamesh.Tweeek 2011-01-13 13:13:15
Bahamut.Dasva said: Gilgamesh.Tweeek said: make a chart that say WHM is awesome and we should love all WHMs :) But that it should be in 24th place
i don't get it =\ 24th place for what? being most <3ed?
Bahamut.Dasva
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By Bahamut.Dasva 2011-01-13 13:15:17
Gilgamesh.Tweeek said: Bahamut.Dasva said: Gilgamesh.Tweeek said: make a chart that say WHM is awesome and we should love all WHMs :) But that it should be in 24th place i don't get it =\ 24th place for what? being most <3ed? That or usefulness idk
Gilgamesh.Tweeek
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By Gilgamesh.Tweeek 2011-01-13 13:18:18
Bahamut.Dasva said: Gilgamesh.Tweeek said: Bahamut.Dasva said: Gilgamesh.Tweeek said: make a chart that say WHM is awesome and we should love all WHMs :) But that it should be in 24th place i don't get it =\ 24th place for what? being most <3ed? That or usefulness idk
yarly! who would want to be cured 'n stuff!
Bahamut.Dasva
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By Bahamut.Dasva 2011-01-13 13:19:41
Gilgamesh.Tweeek said: Bahamut.Dasva said: Gilgamesh.Tweeek said: Bahamut.Dasva said: Gilgamesh.Tweeek said: make a chart that say WHM is awesome and we should love all WHMs :) But that it should be in 24th place i don't get it =\ 24th place for what? being most <3ed? That or usefulness idk yarly! who would want to be cured 'n stuff! Not this guy... well more like I'm used to not being cure. What you aren't the officail tank!?! Sorry all my cure maccros have the main tanks name in it...
Gilgamesh.Tweeek
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By Gilgamesh.Tweeek 2011-01-13 13:26:00
lol i thought you were kidding but you sound srs now. any WHM who won't cure someone based on a job is not a WHM.
The only time I wouldn't cure someone other than main tank is if I am literally spamming Cure V and VI non-stop waiting on recast timers in-between trying to keep the tank alive which doesn't happen much at all. If some reason there were a bunch of people feeding TP and all got hit by AoE I would focus on tank as priority but then get everyone else up as quickly as I could. If I need to choose between main tank dying and someone else I have no problem making that choice every time.. but to refuse to cure someone? I wouldn't want to play with a WHM like that.
really the only time I semi-ignore someone is when they are asking for -na's when I'm preoccupied with giving -na's to the tank first
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By Bahamut.Dasva 2011-01-13 13:30:23
Usually most my jobs only get cured if I am the tank OR I am not currently taking dmg.
God forbid I take hate as not the tank or stay in AOE range when low enough to get killed from it. I've gone a full minute with hate doing everything I could to keep myself alive with while getting ignored. Hell I stood around bound for a good 3 min day before yesterday (epic bind duration ftl) cause no one would erase me lol.
Which is why I've decided to make my blu a tank
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By Bahamut.Raenryong 2011-01-13 13:33:19
Caitsith.Mahayaya said: I think RDM is the all-around best job with all things considered.
Have to disagree. At the moment WHM is the best job by far - severely overpowered. After that, WAR MNK. Then other stuff.
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By Ragnarok.Anye 2011-01-13 13:33:59
In all 21 pages, did anyone bring this up at all?? Mad props to Lil, who seems to be the undisputed DNC champion.
A complex question to say the least, simply because of what we can be talking about, dmg output, soloing, the necessity of having a healer, whats the mob etc...
But, if you had to decide which job would be the best to take to 90 (99, whatever), taking these things into account what would you say comes out with the most pros? For example consider a graph, a questionnaire of scale, 1 -10, one category is DMG output over speicified amount of time, one is the ability to Solo on a scale of 1 - 10 (which would most likely rest on the amount of mobs the job can take on as opposed to which can take on the least)
Of these categories, what job would you say comes out with the most points?
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