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 Sylph.Krsone
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By Sylph.Krsone 2011-01-10 21:33:34  
Quetzalcoatl.Xueye said:
Diabolos.Mesheef said:
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You people are a bunch of fan boys, that or you and your server suck at this game. DRG not a DD? Yeah well my drg is very poorly geared and one shots in abyssea where as your fabled mnk takes too damn long to kill. I also saw some little cry baby say that drk rdm and sch are underpowered, I call bullsh*t. First off if you are using rdm and sch as a healer and not rdm for enfeebles and sch for nukes you are killing too damn slow and that is why you need cures. My rdm can put out 3k+ nukes with bliz 4 and I am certain if I took the time to level sch with my blm and rdm I would do 10k self sc easy. You want underpowered look at sam even with good atma it doesn't meet a VV RR and gnarled horn nin with afv3+1 gear not on the nin's worst day does the sam come close. Sam used to be the top DD of the game now when I am in abyssea I see people say "I got sam otw" I think great another damn leech, should have just got a pld at least they can pull. Seen Tachi: Fudo Sam's with 5 hit builds VV RR and Would be King get out dd'd by a poorly geared dnc. You people need to step up your game and realize what jobs really are useful. Nin > Mnk Drg > Sam And remember kids if your sch and rdm are curing your pt sucks.
Got any proof to back up those claims, bob? edit: apart from the SAM part, everyone knows SAM is shite these days. But yeah, DRK is pretty bad lol. DRG isn't much better.
Sure as ***do have prove you little *** fairy, first off you can see a pic of my drg using Drakesbane for 4,893 dmg would you like more proof?
Sure, do something a MNK can't do now.

I read this 4 times, still cant work out if youre trying to be sarcastic i assume you assume monk cant reach this kinda dmg on ws? Would still need to do a fair ammount more on ws to beat a monk due to dmg difference in dot.

Problem with this ammount of wsdmg imo for the stuff I low man and farm is you can only really ws at start or before 90% or youve got high chance of getting a ruby kill, which I try to avoid in abys. Mnk is far better for pearl kills esp one with capped haste.

Despite this the 2 jobs in abys that are better imo are war and nin tbh.

They can tank all nms doesnt matter who does it the very best or easiest if u can do it on war its best because you may find yourself also wanting to proc red or go for other nms whilst youre there for red. Like today I just did apkallu for seals party setup mnk, brd, whm and blm 1 seal type each stay there few hours then I realised I could use a heqet KI which pops closeby and im wishing I was on war.

Also easier for nin to azure kill, would need to get it very close to 1% on mnk/nin then hope ni elemental spell kills it 20dmg? whereas nin 200-400 san possibly. I often solo abys blu/whm just for rr go kill 3 ephem murex azure, 30 melee kill for pearl then 3-4 amber kills that seems to be all i need for enough te to exit with 120mins when I want and all af or items i want so blu imo excels here. Its also a job that does quite well in dmg too solo, mnk solo with no haste or marches ive noticed in abys isnt clearing many more mobs than when im on my blu ani wail and spell spam.

Even thf is more practical imo than mnk at times for a spot mnk would use, it can tank provides th and it can assist with !!

Nin is better for slowing a kill or holding a mob, monk cant hold a mob really all that well, ideally need to engage and counterstance. Recently Ive been using footwork to slow dd down whilst remaining engaged, could swap to staff or club but you seem to lose counter, or maybe you dont but my weapon skill is too low to counter idk. I know sam can counter with a gk on...

My best smite dmg is around 5500ish on a pre heroes nm on several occasions, idk im not that impressed myself tbh, much more impressed with tigers 4k smite in woe >.>. Impetus and af3 mnk body is like mini razed ruins most ive managed in woe since getting mine on morbid mollaces same mob was 2750ish only 13tp missing 1 double attack hit was earlier today.
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By Bahamut.Dasva 2011-01-10 21:38:41  
Fenrir.Nightfyre said:
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Maybe not, but I know a few that can do 60k damage to a bunch of mobs all at once~
60k total or to each? I could do more but it seems shinryu has alot of MDB and missing atmas... and apparently dmg just rolls over after about 63k or something... of course could do even more on blu but meh.
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Oh I meant to a single target :). Though I could probably do that much to as many targets as there are on blu
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By Quetzalcoatl.Xueye 2011-01-10 21:39:35  
No, I meant: "Okay, so what, you hit 5k DMG. So can MNK. If you want to claim you're special, do something that Monks can't do, because your point is pretty useless when a Monk can do better than what you said."
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By Sylph.Krsone 2011-01-10 21:40:53  
AHH ok couldnt tell by that post which way u were swinging, its all good.

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Like the 2nd time Ive failed to spot sarcasm, happened when Draylo posted before, meh Im british too we're sposed to be the kings of irony, satire and sarcasm.
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By Phoenix.Ingraham 2011-01-10 22:18:37  
My party in FF1 is four monks.

Sadly, it wasn't optimal, so I broke the cart with my hammer.
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By Diabolos.Mesheef 2011-01-10 23:13:16  
Pandemonium.Spicyryan said:
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Diabolos.Mesheef said:
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Diabolos.Mesheef said:
You people are a bunch of fan boys, that or you and your server suck at this game.

DRG not a DD? Yeah well my drg is very poorly geared and one shots in abyssea where as your fabled mnk takes too damn long to kill.

I also saw some little cry baby say that drk rdm and sch are underpowered, I call bullsh*t. First off if you are using rdm and sch as a healer and not rdm for enfeebles and sch for nukes you are killing too damn slow and that is why you need cures.
My rdm can put out 3k+ nukes with bliz 4 and I am certain if I took the time to level sch with my blm and rdm I would do 10k self sc easy.

You want underpowered look at sam even with good atma it doesn't meet a VV RR and gnarled horn nin with afv3+1 gear not on the nin's worst day does the sam come close. Sam used to be the top DD of the game now when I am in abyssea I see people say "I got sam otw" I think great another damn leech, should have just got a pld at least they can pull. Seen Tachi: Fudo Sam's with 5 hit builds VV RR and Would be King get out dd'd by a poorly geared dnc.

You people need to step up your game and realize what jobs really are useful.

Nin > Mnk
Drg > Sam

And remember kids if your sch and rdm are curing your pt sucks.

Got any proof to back up those claims, bob?

edit: apart from the SAM part, everyone knows SAM is shite these days.

But yeah, DRK is pretty bad lol. DRG isn't much better.


Sure as ***do have prove you little *** fairy, first off you can see a pic of my drg using Drakesbane for 4,893 dmg would you like more proof?

To say your post itself isnt fanboisum? your also assuming that these jobs cant fill the role effectively, in which case they can, maybe there not as ubar as your drg, or your nin. but as long as they can fill the role to a point where it dosent matter, or even, simply have the potential to be as good as these jobs, does it really matter?

He is using a murex with angon on as a testimony to DRGs uber DD ability on weak XP mobs. Of course he is a stupid fanboy.


You officially fail, I never merited Angon.

And as for the maggot claiming I am a fanboy, no all I am saying is it has to do with atma and temps, as for drakesbane being crit modded yeah it works, if you guys can't hit the same numbers you fail seriously. I would also imagine that the people you pt with fail just as much.
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By Odin.Sinharvest 2011-01-10 23:24:10  
Diabolos.Mesheef said:
Pandemonium.Spicyryan said:
Diabolos.Trangnai said:
Diabolos.Mesheef said:
Shiva.Flionheart said:
Diabolos.Mesheef said:
You people are a bunch of fan boys, that or you and your server suck at this game.

DRG not a DD? Yeah well my drg is very poorly geared and one shots in abyssea where as your fabled mnk takes too damn long to kill.

I also saw some little cry baby say that drk rdm and sch are underpowered, I call bullsh*t. First off if you are using rdm and sch as a healer and not rdm for enfeebles and sch for nukes you are killing too damn slow and that is why you need cures.
My rdm can put out 3k+ nukes with bliz 4 and I am certain if I took the time to level sch with my blm and rdm I would do 10k self sc easy.

You want underpowered look at sam even with good atma it doesn't meet a VV RR and gnarled horn nin with afv3+1 gear not on the nin's worst day does the sam come close. Sam used to be the top DD of the game now when I am in abyssea I see people say "I got sam otw" I think great another damn leech, should have just got a pld at least they can pull. Seen Tachi: Fudo Sam's with 5 hit builds VV RR and Would be King get out dd'd by a poorly geared dnc.

You people need to step up your game and realize what jobs really are useful.

Nin > Mnk
Drg > Sam

And remember kids if your sch and rdm are curing your pt sucks.

Got any proof to back up those claims, bob?

edit: apart from the SAM part, everyone knows SAM is shite these days.

But yeah, DRK is pretty bad lol. DRG isn't much better.


Sure as ***do have prove you little *** fairy, first off you can see a pic of my drg using Drakesbane for 4,893 dmg would you like more proof?

To say your post itself isnt fanboisum? your also assuming that these jobs cant fill the role effectively, in which case they can, maybe there not as ubar as your drg, or your nin. but as long as they can fill the role to a point where it dosent matter, or even, simply have the potential to be as good as these jobs, does it really matter?

He is using a murex with angon on as a testimony to DRGs uber DD ability on weak XP mobs. Of course he is a stupid fanboy.


You officially fail, I never merited Angon.

And as for the maggot claiming I am a fanboy, no all I am saying is it has to do with atma and temps, as for drakesbane being crit modded yeah it works, if you guys can't hit the same numbers you fail seriously. I would also imagine that the people you pt with fail just as much.

Huh?
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By Diabolos.Mesheef 2011-01-10 23:28:20  
Odin.Sinharvest said:
Diabolos.Mesheef said:
Pandemonium.Spicyryan said:
Diabolos.Trangnai said:
Diabolos.Mesheef said:
Shiva.Flionheart said:
Diabolos.Mesheef said:
You people are a bunch of fan boys, that or you and your server suck at this game.

DRG not a DD? Yeah well my drg is very poorly geared and one shots in abyssea where as your fabled mnk takes too damn long to kill.

I also saw some little cry baby say that drk rdm and sch are underpowered, I call bullsh*t. First off if you are using rdm and sch as a healer and not rdm for enfeebles and sch for nukes you are killing too damn slow and that is why you need cures.
My rdm can put out 3k+ nukes with bliz 4 and I am certain if I took the time to level sch with my blm and rdm I would do 10k self sc easy.

You want underpowered look at sam even with good atma it doesn't meet a VV RR and gnarled horn nin with afv3+1 gear not on the nin's worst day does the sam come close. Sam used to be the top DD of the game now when I am in abyssea I see people say "I got sam otw" I think great another damn leech, should have just got a pld at least they can pull. Seen Tachi: Fudo Sam's with 5 hit builds VV RR and Would be King get out dd'd by a poorly geared dnc.

You people need to step up your game and realize what jobs really are useful.

Nin > Mnk
Drg > Sam

And remember kids if your sch and rdm are curing your pt sucks.

Got any proof to back up those claims, bob?

edit: apart from the SAM part, everyone knows SAM is shite these days.

But yeah, DRK is pretty bad lol. DRG isn't much better.


Sure as ***do have prove you little *** fairy, first off you can see a pic of my drg using Drakesbane for 4,893 dmg would you like more proof?

To say your post itself isnt fanboisum? your also assuming that these jobs cant fill the role effectively, in which case they can, maybe there not as ubar as your drg, or your nin. but as long as they can fill the role to a point where it dosent matter, or even, simply have the potential to be as good as these jobs, does it really matter?

He is using a murex with angon on as a testimony to DRGs uber DD ability on weak XP mobs. Of course he is a stupid fanboy.


You officially fail, I never merited Angon.

And as for the maggot claiming I am a fanboy, no all I am saying is it has to do with atma and temps, as for drakesbane being crit modded yeah it works, if you guys can't hit the same numbers you fail seriously. I would also imagine that the people you pt with fail just as much.

Huh?

What are you huh about? I said to start with my drg blows I know it for a fact, what I am loling about is all these fail noob *** players can't meet half the dmg of my garbage drg.
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By Ragnarok.Lagunabel 2011-01-10 23:52:24  
Abyssea is like a second round of Salvage.

MONKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK my mages fail hard and so do I
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2011-01-11 01:23:21  
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You officially fail, I never merited Angon.
And you're calling them fail?
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By Asura.Takinagi 2011-01-11 02:44:31  
Fenrir.Nightfyre said:
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You officially fail, I never merited Angon.
And you're calling them fail?
xD who doesnt merit angon? ***is awesome
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By Diabolos.Mesheef 2011-01-11 04:09:42  
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You officially fail, I never merited Angon.
And you're calling them fail?


Way to only read one part Einstein...
I already said numerous time my drg sucks, but apparently my crappy drg is better than everyone else's good jobs sine nobody else can put the same numbers up.
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2011-01-11 04:21:00  
You say that like big numbers are the only thing that matter in a parse. Did a 6k Quadratic Continuum earlier today though if you really care, no set bonus procs or anything like that. Hell, I've seen Ice Shots for more damage than your SS.
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By Asura.Takinagi 2011-01-11 04:22:37  
Diabolos.Mesheef said:
Fenrir.Nightfyre said:
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You officially fail, I never merited Angon.
And you're calling them fail?
Way to only read one part Einstein... I already said numerous time my drg sucks, but apparently my crappy drg is better than everyone else's good jobs sine nobody else can put the same numbers up.

All you need is a high dmg polearm and atma's will do the rest. Drg is one of if not the best DD in the game imo.
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2011-01-11 04:24:35  
Aye, Drakes is strong enough that it'll carry a subpar set and still put out good numbers. Still though, I've seen quite a few different jobs top 5k, that's nothing special. Even less interesting if a Stalwart's Tonic was involved.
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By Cerberus.Darktaruu 2011-01-11 05:12:21  
DRG = AWESOME DD, even outside Abyss. WHY>> Spirit jump, soul jump, medit, seka, wyvern DoT (yeah this little thing do some damage), ^@^ Drakesbane ^@^

Of course only IF merits + well geared

No Iam not a DRG fanboy.. My main was SAM b4 Abyss things and i have WAR 90 too
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By Diabolos.Trangnai 2011-01-11 05:28:02  
Diabolos.Mesheef said:
Odin.Sinharvest said:
Diabolos.Mesheef said:
Pandemonium.Spicyryan said:
Diabolos.Trangnai said:
Diabolos.Mesheef said:
Shiva.Flionheart said:
Diabolos.Mesheef said:
You people are a bunch of fan boys, that or you and your server suck at this game.

DRG not a DD? Yeah well my drg is very poorly geared and one shots in abyssea where as your fabled mnk takes too damn long to kill.

I also saw some little cry baby say that drk rdm and sch are underpowered, I call bullsh*t. First off if you are using rdm and sch as a healer and not rdm for enfeebles and sch for nukes you are killing too damn slow and that is why you need cures.
My rdm can put out 3k+ nukes with bliz 4 and I am certain if I took the time to level sch with my blm and rdm I would do 10k self sc easy.

You want underpowered look at sam even with good atma it doesn't meet a VV RR and gnarled horn nin with afv3+1 gear not on the nin's worst day does the sam come close. Sam used to be the top DD of the game now when I am in abyssea I see people say "I got sam otw" I think great another damn leech, should have just got a pld at least they can pull. Seen Tachi: Fudo Sam's with 5 hit builds VV RR and Would be King get out dd'd by a poorly geared dnc.

You people need to step up your game and realize what jobs really are useful.

Nin > Mnk
Drg > Sam

And remember kids if your sch and rdm are curing your pt sucks.

Got any proof to back up those claims, bob?

edit: apart from the SAM part, everyone knows SAM is shite these days.

But yeah, DRK is pretty bad lol. DRG isn't much better.


Sure as ***do have prove you little *** fairy, first off you can see a pic of my drg using Drakesbane for 4,893 dmg would you like more proof?

To say your post itself isnt fanboisum? your also assuming that these jobs cant fill the role effectively, in which case they can, maybe there not as ubar as your drg, or your nin. but as long as they can fill the role to a point where it dosent matter, or even, simply have the potential to be as good as these jobs, does it really matter?

He is using a murex with angon on as a testimony to DRGs uber DD ability on weak XP mobs. Of course he is a stupid fanboy.


You officially fail, I never merited Angon.

And as for the maggot claiming I am a fanboy, no all I am saying is it has to do with atma and temps, as for drakesbane being crit modded yeah it works, if you guys can't hit the same numbers you fail seriously. I would also imagine that the people you pt with fail just as much.

Huh?

What are you huh about? I said to start with my drg blows I know it for a fact, what I am loling about is all these fail noob *** players can't meet half the dmg of my garbage drg.

really? you call me a maggot? your a foolish self-arrogant piece of crap that gives all drgs a bad name. my blu can easily outdmg your drg, thats not the point. your using one WS to determine an entire stance on a job and basing all your numbers off of WSes, more then likely on an abyssea exp mob while being equipped with insane atma. of course any ***job can do that dmg.

You completely ignore what makes drg unique as a DD over jobs such as sam. And, no. it's not that you can heal yourself. Thought with Abyssea the point is probably moot but drg has an incredible DoT due to its Wyvren, one that can easily out dmg sam, even in the past. however in the past sam had WSes to the point where it kinda made up for it.
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By Unicorn.Marrs 2011-01-11 05:41:16  
Odin.Zicdeh said:
Not complex at all.


Monk and White Mage. Everything else is insulation.

I suppose if you need all 3 primary roles filled, Bard as well.

How did I totally miss this?


Well you're answer is a bit odd cause its an individual job as opposed to one (which wouldn't be irrelevant but since I give soloing its own category this doesn't do much)
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By richwood 2011-01-11 05:52:35  
NIN-JA! DA-BEAST!
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By Bismarck.Zeota 2011-01-11 08:06:36  
I believe it was said by Raen in another topic here before, "If any non-mage is neither a WAR nor a MNK, quit now!" Geez too bad I don't like either. Guess I'm in trouble then.
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By Bahamut.Raenryong 2011-01-11 09:02:01  
Indeed :( a rather pessimistic view of mine but given how much SE loves both of those jobs it's not unrealistic to expect both of them to be exalted further.

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By Leviathan.Niniann 2011-01-11 09:10:38  
Phoenix.Ingraham said:
My party in FF1 is four monks.

Sadly, it wasn't optimal, so I broke the cart with my hammer.

<3
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By Bahamut.Raenryong 2011-01-11 09:23:27  
Ninian hurry up and lrn2tablet :(

Also respond to message you terrible person you! It's not as if I completely forgot a few weeks ago or anything.
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By Ragnarok.Afania 2011-01-11 15:26:18  
Leviathan.Draylo said:
(58 mp)Vanity Dive 1k~
(91 mp)Quad Contiuum(with CA/efflux) 3k~
(74 mp)Dissv 1k~
(61 mp)H barrage 1k~
(28 mp)Delta Thrust 500-1k~
(61 mp)f rip 500~
(56 mp)B typhoon 1k~
(76 mp)Gob rush 1k~




But doing instant dmg in short time doesn't mean you can keep doing that in long time. My experience is that in events such as Einherjar, dyna, EXP pt where mobs die really fast, BLU is able to produce very good dmg because of instant dmg, more than other jobs that need to engage/TP the mob which takes time to deal dmg. On NMs when you engage the mob for like 15 min, MNK wins, since spell spam takes time to do the casting animation and the speed just can't keep up.

Pandemonium.Spicyryan said:

*** yeah, BLU can totally main heal with that cure 4! You forget epic nuker and main healer in there too. Forgot to mention support job as well, I mean it just does everything the best.

My Plenilune Embrace can heal like 740+ HP in abyssea in lolteal set with only light staff but no other cure potency gear, I'd say it's way better than Cure 4 and pretty competitive as a healer, although WHM still wins by miles.



In terms of overall usefulness, I'd say it's very useful to have if you only have 1~2 jobs 90. Because it can fit in most of the situations and get the job done. But if you have like 10~15 jobs 90, it's probably only good for yellow proc and that's it, since you'll more likely to use other jobs for those situations.



Bahamut.Dasva said:
Beast can't do 60k dmg to a mob in 1 ws!

COR wins for Wildfire brewing because of Wizards roll! :D
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By Valefor.Ajahri 2011-01-12 17:49:38  
BeastMaster YAY
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By Bahamut.Dasva 2011-01-12 17:52:43  
Ragnarok.Afania said:
Bahamut.Dasva said:
Beast can't do 60k dmg to a mob in 1 ws!
COR wins for Wildfire brewing because of Wizards roll! :D
The dmg difference is very slight when you are already rocking +1000MAB or so ;). Now af3 bonus with QD would be a decent difference.
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By Odin.Dirtyfinger 2011-01-12 18:04:18  
As a career SAM I'm happy it's no longer considered the bandwagon choice. And although it won't win the parse inside Abyssea it's still an incredibly versatile job and very capable of tanking with it's wide variety of pdt/mdt gear available.

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By Leviathan.Pimpchan 2011-01-13 02:50:28  
tanking has nothing to so with pdt or mdt. "Career" SAMs like to pretend otherwise because of their inability to match monk/nin since forever.
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By Sylph.Kimble 2011-01-13 02:51:17  
SO Pchan, PLD is the 7th best job in the game?
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By Siren.Kunimatsu 2011-01-13 09:02:38  
ROFL you guys arguin about the best job when im here laughing on the best job SUMMONER

We outparse any DD job dude I can do like 2k predatur claus out my *** LOL. Wats with this BLU argument being the best cuz they have that quad continuminum that does like 3k only when using that primordial ooze abyssea item but lol this was back @ 80 FYI



We get HASTEGA LMAO oh boy are you RDM/WHM/SCH mad cuz we get that at like 46 xD and you have to cast it to each pt member.

Out avatars take like halve damadge or sumthin so that makes them better than PLD roflmao they have to wear gear to even come close 2 that.

We can do either magic or pysical damadge whenever we want so that makes us like a SAM/BLM but not crap like a player SAM/BLM LOL RIGHT? Avatars get tier 4 nukes at like 60, I dont know what those ones in the merits menu do but im sure they dont beat blizzard IV with shivas favor up cuz shiva has more MAB then a BLM that way
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