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 Leviathan.Draylo
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By Leviathan.Draylo 2011-01-10 17:32:24  
Bismarck.Josiahfk said:
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Okay and is this fully buffed? What buffs are you talking about.. like this situation matters crab.. but which buffs are they recieving/mob given(dia, angon etc)
it's a barely IT crab mob that dies in seconds due to everyone being a pimp. forget enfeebles and everyone is on the same lvl draylo, best of the best. Are you saying if you had 5 people buffing you then maybe you'd do well?

No that is what these guys are saying, in that scenario a BLU would destroy that crab easily in one fight compared to the other DD... Duration would be whats important, how long are we comparing here. A blu can endlessly kepe MP up with mp drainkiss/hammer and easily keep themselves alive, other DD will not.
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By Bahamut.Raenryong 2011-01-10 17:32:36  
Oh and for the record, even though I don't consider BLU the world's top DD, I do consider it a very good job and definitely one of my favourites to bring along to just about any event these days.
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By Shiva.Flionheart 2011-01-10 17:33:11  
Well I was totally playing BRD yesterday in old content.

Evisceration - 2.5k (every 7 seconds)
Foe Requiem VII - 300hp a tick for 60 seconds

My DoT was huge because I was using double marches.
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By Sylph.Tigerwoods 2011-01-10 17:33:16  
Basically it works like this.

Math shows the job's maximum potential with said set of gear. It's up to the player to reach that potential. Ukon war has the highest DMG potential, for example, but not every Ukon war will outparse everyone else. Why? Because they're an inept player..

math only shows the limits, it's up to the player to grasp the limit.
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By Sylph.Tigerwoods 2011-01-10 17:34:16  
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Blue is for grellow, silly kids
Agreed
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By Shiva.Flionheart 2011-01-10 17:34:25  
What do you think of BLU Tiger?

And you already answered my question
 
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By Titan.Darkwizardzin 2011-01-10 17:35:19  
Draylo you have to understand that an opinion is an opinion. Until you back up your claims no one will belive your opinions are facts. You can't just make a statement then tell the people your trying to convence that they themselfs should prove it.
 
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By Bahamut.Raenryong 2011-01-10 17:37:01  
Sylph.Tigerwoods said:
Bahamut.Raenryong said:
Blue is for grellow, silly kids
Agreed

BLU can solo boxes etc more effectively than any other job with Charged Whisker/all light tools and it's a very powerful DD in a short period of time. Great gryellow ability, can heal in a pinch and wrecks older content. I really do consider it a very good job if played well.
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By Sylph.Kimble 2011-01-10 17:37:10  
What I want to know is...

Does Pchan truly believe PLD is the 7th best job in the game?
 
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By Ifrit.Hitoseijuro 2011-01-10 17:37:30  
Shiva.Flionheart said:
The problem is... there's a very fine line between the job being underpowered, balanced and overpowered. If a PLD can DD and tank you'd just bring 5 PLD's to events, if it can't DD at all, then a DD like MNK even if it can't tank quite as well, will still be more desirable as the kill time will be massively improved.
Theres nothing wrong with a paladin being able to DD and tank, if ppl are against that, they clearly have no idea what a paladin job class is what so ever.

Paladin is a holy knight/warrior class. It always has been. Its a warrior/knight class with healing spells etc. This idea that paladin has to be some turtle class and nothing more is the same mentality that helps drive SE in the wrong direction with how job classes work. Paladin damage has to be comparable to that of a dark knights damage(pre-abyssea sadly...) the only difference would be the spells/JAs they have access to in accomplishing that.

While it is a warrior type class(yes warrior class) it shouldnt be able to put out as much damage as a warrior, but honestly it shouldnt be at the bottom of the barrel in terms of damage. If a warrior was classed at 10 for damage, pld should be no lower than 8.

Pld job *needs* to be doing damage theres no "well if it can hold hate better" "if it takes less damage" if ppl keep saying this they dont understand how this game works.

I agree that if SE breaks pld well have ppl doing that, but how is that any different from now? we have nothing but bandwagon wars mnks nins atm. And thats how its always going to be, if theres a job thats produces the best damage in this game, theres a % of group of ppl going to jump on that because thats what feeds their insecure ego's. If they arent doing the best they arent satisfied or having fun.

I can see a lot of reasons why things become boring, or ppl start hating a game. However, tbh a lot of whats being complained or said in this thread is probably the reason for that. Too many ppl telling others what to do, and how to do it their way. Who wouldnt get bored with doing everything in this game everyday on war,whm,nin,mnk,blu only(I tossed blu just for the grellow...sadly)?

Is abyssea so hard that you cant get things done with out that combo? Its true that you could kill faster with a war+whm combo over sam+ whm combo, but if you enjoy the later, what do you care or anyone else. Unless you are doing something with a time limit, I cant see why you cant enjoy w/e job you enjoy most w/o hindering your groups overall progress. Its true faster kills = faster things done, but unless thats going to give me an extra free hour each day, the difference in time I saved is moot if ppl came on jobs they enjoyed.

Now im rambling.....main point, pld needs a DD buff, and ppl need to change things up a bit to keep this game interesting, you can have fun and be efficient, if your group cant, your group is doing it wrong. Also, use common sense..
 
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By Leviathan.Draylo 2011-01-10 17:38:10  
(58 mp)Vanity Dive 1k~
(91 mp)Quad Contiuum(with CA/efflux) 3k~
(74 mp)Dissv 1k~
(61 mp)H barrage 1k~
(28 mp)Delta Thrust 500-1k~
(61 mp)f rip 500~
(56 mp)B typhoon 1k~
(76 mp)Gob rush 1k~

(505 total mp spent, not including conserve mp procs) These are also not very practical because you can pretty much spam 3 with the appropriate haste buffs(haste spell which blu can do by itself, marches, fast cast etc). With haste buffs, spells can be spammed and you don't have to rotate through all those. Average BLU will run with 800 MP or so. If we are talking a highly buffed situation, in comparison to other DD, a BLU will most definitely pull ahead by miles. This also doesn't account for melee swings in between spell spamming.

This is average dmg on end game mobs for a BLU. This is all the proof you need outside of specific buffing scenario. This is what BLU does with 0 buffs.

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By Shiva.Flionheart 2011-01-10 17:39:38  
Leviathan.Draylo said:
(58 mp)Vanity Dive 1k~
(91 mp)Quad Contiuum(with CA/efflux) 3k~
(74 mp)Dissv 1k~
(61 mp)H barrage 1k~
(28 mp)Delta Thrust 500-1k~
(61 mp)f rip 500~
(56 mp)B typhoon 1k~
(76 mp)Gob rush 1k~

(505 total mp spent, not including conserve mp procs) These are also not very practical because you can pretty much spam 3 with the appropriate haste buffs(haste spell which blu can do by itself, marches, fast cast etc). With haste buffs, spells can be spammed and you don't have to rotate through all those. Average BLU will run with 800 MP or so. If we are talking a highly buffed situation, in comparison to other DD, a BLU will most definitely pull ahead by miles. This also doesn't account for melee swings in between spell spamming.

This is average dmg on end game mobs for a BLU. This is all the proof you need outside of specific buffing scenario. This is what BLU does with 0 buffs.


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By Sylph.Tigerwoods 2011-01-10 17:40:07  
Bahamut.Raenryong said:
Sylph.Tigerwoods said:
Bahamut.Raenryong said:
Blue is for grellow, silly kids
Agreed

BLU can solo boxes etc more effectively than any other job with Charged Whisker/all light tools and it's a very powerful DD in a short period of time. Great gryellow ability, can heal in a pinch and wrecks older content. I really do consider it a very good job if played well.
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By Titan.Darkwizardzin 2011-01-10 17:40:26  
Leviathan.Draylo said:
(58 mp)Vanity Dive 1k~
(91 mp)Quad Contiuum(with CA/efflux) 3k~
(74 mp)Dissv 1k~
(61 mp)H barrage 1k~
(28 mp)Delta Thrust 500-1k~
(61 mp)f rip 500~
(56 mp)B typhoon 1k~
(76 mp)Gob rush 1k~

(505 total mp spent, not including conserve mp procs) These are also not very practical because you can pretty much spam 3 with the appropriate haste buffs(haste spell which blu can do by itself, marches, fast cast etc). With haste buffs, spells can be spammed and you don't have to rotate through all those. Average BLU will run with 800 MP or so. If we are talking a highly buffed situation, in comparison to other DD, a BLU will most definitely pull ahead by miles. This also doesn't account for melee swings in between spell spamming.

This is average dmg on end game mobs for a BLU. This is all the proof you need outside of specific buffing scenario. This is what BLU does with 0 buffs.
...You should have realized that "word of mouth" proof doesn't go far on here.
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By Sylph.Kimble 2011-01-10 17:40:48  
Honestly, I think alot of people just hate on BLU because

1) a lot of people play blue and have no idea how to actually gear for the spells they cast

2) its the cool thing to do
 
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By Shiva.Flionheart 2011-01-10 17:41:27  
Sylph.Kimble said:
Honestly, I think alot of people just hate on BLU because

1) a lot of people play blue and have no idea how to actually gear for the spells they cast

2) its the cool thing to do

I just hate on people who claim something is the best without any tangible proof lol.

I don't hate BLU at all, I just don't think people should be so willing to take someone's word on something.
 
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By Leviathan.Draylo 2011-01-10 17:42:07  
I am giving you the numbers here. Those are proven dmg numbers for any well geared BLU. Use your logic and you will figure out how much BLU is capable of with adequate buffs or even no buffs in comparison to a buffed or non buffed DD.
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By Shiva.Flionheart 2011-01-10 17:42:54  
Leviathan.Draylo said:
I am giving you the numbers here. Those are proven dmg numbers for any well geared BLU. Use your logic and you will figure out how much BLU is capable of with adequate buffs or even no buffs in comparison to a buffed or non buffed DD.

Then prove it to me.
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By Leviathan.Draylo 2011-01-10 17:43:02  
Bismarck.Josiahfk said:
Leviathan.Draylo said:
(58 mp)Vanity Dive 1k~
(91 mp)Quad Contiuum(with CA/efflux) 3k~
(74 mp)Dissv 1k~
(61 mp)H barrage 1k~
(28 mp)Delta Thrust 500-1k~
(61 mp)f rip 500~
(56 mp)B typhoon 1k~
(76 mp)Gob rush 1k~

(505 total mp spent, not including conserve mp procs) These are also not very practical because you can pretty much spam 3 with the appropriate haste buffs(haste spell which blu can do by itself, marches, fast cast etc). With haste buffs, spells can be spammed and you don't have to rotate through all those. Average BLU will run with 800 MP or so. If we are talking a highly buffed situation, in comparison to other DD, a BLU will most definitely pull ahead by miles. This also doesn't account for melee swings in between spell spamming.

This is average dmg on end game mobs for a BLU. This is all the proof you need outside of specific buffing scenario. This is what BLU does with 0 buffs.

Remember our mob is a IT Crab

I am talking about old content NMs...
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By Bismarck.Helixx 2011-01-10 17:43:19  
MNK/war
WAR/sam

Inside abyssea you won't have anyone close to them.
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Outside abyssea, BLU's do run out of MP, and don't have magic attack atmas. They are decent, but honestly, a mediocre MNK or WAR >>>>>>> mediocre BLU by light years.

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(58 mp)Vanity Dive 1k~
(91 mp)Quad Contiuum(with CA/efflux) 3k~
(74 mp)Dissv 1k~
(61 mp)H barrage 1k~
(28 mp)Delta Thrust 500-1k~
(61 mp)f rip 500~
(56 mp)B typhoon 1k~
(76 mp)Gob rush 1k~

(505 total mp spent, not including conserve mp procs) These are also not very practical because you can pretty much spam 3 with the appropriate haste buffs(haste spell which blu can do by itself, marches, fast cast etc). With haste buffs, spells can be spammed and you don't have to rotate through all those. Average BLU will run with 800 MP or so. If we are talking a highly buffed situation, in comparison to other DD, a BLU will most definitely pull ahead by miles. This also doesn't account for melee swings in between spell spamming.

This is average dmg on end game mobs for a BLU. This is all the proof you need outside of specific buffing scenario. This is what BLU does with 0 buffs.


My BLM: 5k nukes, can dash out 4 of them in a min = 20k damage. Wrap up your BLU and weep in a corner.
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By Leviathan.Draylo 2011-01-10 17:43:29  
Pandemonium.Spicyryan said:
Leviathan.Draylo said:
(58 mp)Vanity Dive 1k~
(91 mp)Quad Contiuum(with CA/efflux) 3k~
(74 mp)Dissv 1k~
(61 mp)H barrage 1k~
(28 mp)Delta Thrust 500-1k~
(61 mp)f rip 500~
(56 mp)B typhoon 1k~
(76 mp)Gob rush 1k~

(505 total mp spent, not including conserve mp procs) These are also not very practical because you can pretty much spam 3 with the appropriate haste buffs(haste spell which blu can do by itself, marches, fast cast etc). With haste buffs, spells can be spammed and you don't have to rotate through all those. Average BLU will run with 800 MP or so. If we are talking a highly buffed situation, in comparison to other DD, a BLU will most definitely pull ahead by miles. This also doesn't account for melee swings in between spell spamming.

This is average dmg on end game mobs for a BLU. This is all the proof you need outside of specific buffing scenario. This is what BLU does with 0 buffs.


Perhaps you did not get it the first time.

Here how about this. The PUP would out DD you.

It did a blizzard 5 for 6.5k and WSed for 1.5k and finished the mob faster.

My proof? Well I just gave you evidence which is better than some skewed math parse or something.

No
 
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