Best Job?
Best Job?
Shiva.Flionheart said:
PLD is worthless everywhere. And tbh it has been for a while. Even pre Abyssea its use was incredibly limited.
Titan.Darkwizardzin said:
Shiva.Flionheart said:
PLD is worthless everywhere. And tbh it has been for a while. Even pre Abyssea its use was incredibly limited.
We just didn't know any better back then
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Titan.Darkwizardzin said:
Shiva.Flionheart said:
PLD is worthless everywhere. And tbh it has been for a while. Even pre Abyssea its use was incredibly limited.
Could normally tank with a DD.
Titan.Darkwizardzin said:
Cerberus.Kylos said:
Ohhh i wondered what they were, i have a lot of cruor saved up as i figured i would need to spend it on something good later.
I knew about the key *** thing, as i have a friend who is BLM and hates to solo so she basically *** and opens up chests lol :)
Never knew about the brew, probably best to wait til i done storylines before i get that though.
I also heard that you can get 4 traverser stones instead of 3? Is that difficult to get at all?
Caitsith.Marleysativa said:
Cerberus.Kylos said:
Titan.Darkwizardzin said:
some are bough with curer from the guy to the left of the stone giver (what you can buy depends on the zone) others are quested. and others are droped from nms.
Ohhh i wondered what they were, i have a lot of cruor saved up as i figured i would need to spend it on something good later.
Before i left i was the leader of a very successful dynamis linkshell, a limbus linkshell and a social ls, i decided to leave all of these, the limbus ls died straight away, the dyna ls ran for another month and then died, and i decided to drop my social ls too, although i had been the leader of it since 2004, i just cannot really take the responsibility of having to come online every day to run linkshells.
Therefore im currently part of a 1 man linkshell, a lot of my friends left the game a while ago, and any friends i have left in the game are far too busy to be helping me, so finding out this information on abyssea aint easy for me, often im just having to ask strangers, or i could go into my fathers social linkshell, but i dont really know anyone there except him.
So yes i come onto here to find out what players are doing nowadays, but it seems whenever i come to this forum, all people want to do is argue, and shoot others down for their opinions, so many times in this forum i had to report threads for being too vulgar, i wish this site had more rules to be honest.
Kinda like how you were acting earlier when you really had no idea how much the game had changed, no offense honestly though. You'll begin to see what the rest of us do once you mess around in Abyssea more.
You should really look into Atma and Abyssites on the wiki. On its main Abyssea page there's a section on triggering weaknesses, once you figure out what they do and how they work you'll understand why they're a consideration in job versatility.
I guess i was just upset because of how people were talking to me, i give my opinion and people shot it down in a way i didnt like, and instead of players talkin to each other properly, all they were doing was arguing like children so i had a bit of a go lol.
Thanks for the tip man, ill do that in a little bit, when someone puts it like that im going to believe them, i guess that the triggers really are that important.
Shiva.Flionheart said:
PLD is worthless everywhere. And tbh it has been for a while.
Even pre Abyssea its use was incredibly limited.
Even pre Abyssea its use was incredibly limited.
meh I was gone from the game for 2 years before Abyssea came out so I tacked that on there in case someone wanted to come in and cry about how PLD can help outside. I've seen PLD's do well on some HNMs is all. However debatable it is or is not if PLD is pointless outside of Abyssea, it's completely useless within Abyssea.
Gilgamesh.Tweeek said:
Shiva.Flionheart said:
PLD is worthless everywhere. And tbh it has been for a while.
Even pre Abyssea its use was incredibly limited.
Even pre Abyssea its use was incredibly limited.
meh I was gone from the game for 2 years before Abyssea came out so I tacked that on there in case someone wanted to come in and cry about how PLD can help outside. I've seen PLD's do well on some HNMs is all. However debatable it is or is not if PLD is pointless outside of Abyssea, it's completely useless within Abyssea.
I need something to hold on to...
Gilgamesh.Tweeek said:
Shiva.Flionheart said:
PLD is worthless everywhere. And tbh it has been for a while.
Even pre Abyssea its use was incredibly limited.
Even pre Abyssea its use was incredibly limited.
meh I was gone from the game for 2 years before Abyssea came out so I tacked that on there in case someone wanted to come in and cry about how PLD can help outside. I've seen PLD's do well on some HNMs is all. However debatable it is or is not if PLD is pointless outside of Abyssea, it's completely useless within Abyssea.
I would never go as far to say PLD is absolutely useless in any situation, what about using them in a party on the way to 75, in a standard level sync party? Of course PLD becomes hard to find uses for after reaching level 73 or so, but i guess there still may be something a PLD can do to help? Or are they really that useless now.
If PLD is your only job...
Get the Caladbolg, use Torcleaver.
You won't keep up with other DD but you'll be more useful than if you're using a shield.
edit: Actually Almace could be better, unsure on that.
Get the Caladbolg, use Torcleaver.
You won't keep up with other DD but you'll be more useful than if you're using a shield.
edit: Actually Almace could be better, unsure on that.
nobody is really talking about exp parties Kylos, it's difficult to find a level sync party in which a PL doesn't come along. Which basically most people prefer 6xDD + PL. That being said, I partied with a PLD friend level sync 25 a couple weeks ago :)
Shiva.Flionheart said:
If PLD is your only job...
Get the Caladbolg, use Torcleaver.
You won't keep up with other DD but you'll be more useful than if you're using a shield.
Get the Caladbolg, use Torcleaver.
You won't keep up with other DD but you'll be more useful than if you're using a shield.
I hope PLD gets a major boost on the next level increase, to once again make the ultimate tank of the game, its not my main job but i find it pretty fun, and would like to be appreciated again.
I guess the only job i can use which people like is THF :(
Gilgamesh.Tweeek said:
nobody is really talking about exp parties Kylos, it's difficult to find a level sync party in which a PL doesn't come along. Which basically most people prefer 6xDD + PL
Just saying its not impossible, i would surely make a party with a PLD if i was to level up, i hate using PLs, it just feels like cheating.
Cerberus.Kylos said:
Shiva.Flionheart said:
If PLD is your only job...
Get the Caladbolg, use Torcleaver.
You won't keep up with other DD but you'll be more useful than if you're using a shield.
Get the Caladbolg, use Torcleaver.
You won't keep up with other DD but you'll be more useful than if you're using a shield.
I hope PLD gets a major boost on the next level increase, to once again make the ultimate tank of the game, its not my main job but i find it pretty fun, and would like to be appreciated again.
I guess the only job i can use which people like is THF :(
PLDs have been asking for this though every single update and add-on SE never delivers =\
Cerberus.Kylos said:
Shiva.Flionheart said:
If PLD is your only job...
Get the Caladbolg, use Torcleaver.
You won't keep up with other DD but you'll be more useful than if you're using a shield.
Get the Caladbolg, use Torcleaver.
You won't keep up with other DD but you'll be more useful than if you're using a shield.
I hope PLD gets a major boost on the next level increase, to once again make the ultimate tank of the game, its not my main job but i find it pretty fun, and would like to be appreciated again.
I guess the only job i can use which people like is THF :(
Play what you want to play.
The majority of players in this game won't care what you are.
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I've always thought this whole "PLD is useless" mentaility is only because of people wanting the best set ups for everything they do. Its true that If you want to have the best possble set up and you have a limited number of available spots then pld wouldn't be the job you'd want but to say that the job is useless because of that is in my opinion not true (as far as playing outside of abyssea is considered).
In abyssea however because of the atmas pld realy has lost its use due to hate issues but people have to remember this: abyssea is over. There isn't any more abyssea expantions and the next level cap will have endgame take place outside of it.
In my opinion pld will have more use during the 91+ levels now that there main hate ws is no longer gimped and that DD's no longer have RR and VV taking there damage output to insane levels.
In abyssea however because of the atmas pld realy has lost its use due to hate issues but people have to remember this: abyssea is over. There isn't any more abyssea expantions and the next level cap will have endgame take place outside of it.
In my opinion pld will have more use during the 91+ levels now that there main hate ws is no longer gimped and that DD's no longer have RR and VV taking there damage output to insane levels.
i think SE will focus a lot more on balancing the game out at 99, at the moment its not so important, they want to finish the game on a good note and make every job useful, if they cant deliver that... well to be honest i would not be surprised lol
Titan.Darkwizardzin said:
I've always thought this whole "PLD is useless" mentaility is only because of people wanting the best set ups for everything they do. Its true that If you want to have the best possble set up and you have a limited number of available spots then pld wouldn't be the job you'd want but to say that the job is useless because of that is in my opinion not true (as far as playing outside of abyssea is considered).
In abyssea however because of the atmas pld realy has lost its use due to hate issues but people have to remember this: abyssea is over. There isn't any more abyssea expantions and the next level cap will have endgame take place outside of it.
In my opinion pld will have more use during the 91+ levels now that there main hate ws is no longer gimped and that DD's no longer have RR and VV taking there damage output to insane levels.
In abyssea however because of the atmas pld realy has lost its use due to hate issues but people have to remember this: abyssea is over. There isn't any more abyssea expantions and the next level cap will have endgame take place outside of it.
In my opinion pld will have more use during the 91+ levels now that there main hate ws is no longer gimped and that DD's no longer have RR and VV taking there damage output to insane levels.
I like your thinking, PLD could be the ultimate job to have outside of abyssea at 91+, it just depends what SE wants to do with it, they need to become a pure hate machine, more so then any other job can possibly do, maybe give them a move like sentinel which can be used very often? Along with a great way to get their mp back which is not like chivalry, as well as really increasing their damage output.
Cerberus.Kylos said:
Titan.Darkwizardzin said:
I've always thought this whole "PLD is useless" mentaility is only because of people wanting the best set ups for everything they do. Its true that If you want to have the best possble set up and you have a limited number of available spots then pld wouldn't be the job you'd want but to say that the job is useless because of that is in my opinion not true (as far as playing outside of abyssea is considered).
In abyssea however because of the atmas pld realy has lost its use due to hate issues but people have to remember this: abyssea is over. There isn't any more abyssea expantions and the next level cap will have endgame take place outside of it.
In my opinion pld will have more use during the 91+ levels now that there main hate ws is no longer gimped and that DD's no longer have RR and VV taking there damage output to insane levels.
In abyssea however because of the atmas pld realy has lost its use due to hate issues but people have to remember this: abyssea is over. There isn't any more abyssea expantions and the next level cap will have endgame take place outside of it.
In my opinion pld will have more use during the 91+ levels now that there main hate ws is no longer gimped and that DD's no longer have RR and VV taking there damage output to insane levels.
I like your thinking, PLD could be the ultimate job to have outside of abyssea at 91+, it just depends what SE wants to do with it, they need to become a pure hate machine, more so then any other job can possibly do, maybe give them a move like sentinel which can be used very often? Along with a great way to get their mp back which is not like chivalry, as well as really increasing their damage output.
The problem is... there's a very fine line between the job being underpowered, balanced and overpowered.
If a PLD can DD and tank you'd just bring 5 PLD's to events, if it can't DD at all, then a DD like MNK even if it can't tank quite as well, will still be more desirable as the kill time will be massively improved.
I'm shocked noone has told Pchan about BLU procing on NMs which greatly increases drops more than a THF, which, monk can trigger like 95% of the time during blunt hours.
Cerberus.Kylos said:
I guess i was just upset because of how people were talking to me, i give my opinion and people shot it down in a way i didnt like, and instead of players talkin to each other properly, all they were doing was arguing like children so i had a bit of a go lol.
Thanks for the tip man, ill do that in a little bit, when someone puts it like that im going to believe them, i guess that the triggers really are that important.
Thanks for the tip man, ill do that in a little bit, when someone puts it like that im going to believe them, i guess that the triggers really are that important.
Myself as well as many other people on these forums are sick and tired of ignorant people that don't bother to do research themselves on jobs and their capabilities. If you skimmed a few of these threads you would have known that MNK+NIN were the best tanks, and WHY.
I'm truly not trying to be rude or condescending, I'm just sick of people who don't know ***and act like they do.
As for the "people like DNC" remark you made. DNC sucks--NIN is better than it in every aspect--I don't see why so many people keep acting like it's a top-tier job. It's my favorite job, and I'll keep playing it until the game dies whether it sucks or not, but it is NOT a good job. With that said, it's still an excellent healer for outside-Abyssea areas, not like anyone ever does old content though.
Sylph.Kimble said:
I'm shocked noone has told Pchan about BLU procing on NMs which greatly increases drops more than a THF, which, monk can trigger like 95% of the time during blunt hours.
It's more fun not to mention it and watch him rage.
Leviathan.Niniann said:
Cerberus.Kylos said:
I guess i was just upset because of how people were talking to me, i give my opinion and people shot it down in a way i didnt like, and instead of players talkin to each other properly, all they were doing was arguing like children so i had a bit of a go lol.
Thanks for the tip man, ill do that in a little bit, when someone puts it like that im going to believe them, i guess that the triggers really are that important.
Thanks for the tip man, ill do that in a little bit, when someone puts it like that im going to believe them, i guess that the triggers really are that important.
Myself as well as many other people on these forums are sick and tired of ignorant people that don't bother to do research themselves on jobs and their capabilities. If you skimmed a few of these threads you would have known that MNK+NIN were the best tanks, and WHY.
I'm truly not trying to be rude or condescending, I'm just sick of people who don't know ***and act like they do.
As for the "people like DNC" remark you made. DNC sucks--NIN is better than it in every aspect--I don't see why so many people keep acting like it's a top-tier job. It's my favorite job, and I'll keep playing it until the game dies whether it sucks or not, but it is NOT a good job. With that said, it's still an excellent healer for outside-Abyssea areas, not like anyone ever does old content though.
Luz said:
Leviathan.Niniann said:
Cerberus.Kylos said:
I guess i was just upset because of how people were talking to me, i give my opinion and people shot it down in a way i didnt like, and instead of players talkin to each other properly, all they were doing was arguing like children so i had a bit of a go lol.
Thanks for the tip man, ill do that in a little bit, when someone puts it like that im going to believe them, i guess that the triggers really are that important.
Thanks for the tip man, ill do that in a little bit, when someone puts it like that im going to believe them, i guess that the triggers really are that important.
Myself as well as many other people on these forums are sick and tired of ignorant people that don't bother to do research themselves on jobs and their capabilities. If you skimmed a few of these threads you would have known that MNK+NIN were the best tanks, and WHY.
I'm truly not trying to be rude or condescending, I'm just sick of people who don't know ***and act like they do.
As for the "people like DNC" remark you made. DNC sucks--NIN is better than it in every aspect--I don't see why so many people keep acting like it's a top-tier job. It's my favorite job, and I'll keep playing it until the game dies whether it sucks or not, but it is NOT a good job. With that said, it's still an excellent healer for outside-Abyssea areas, not like anyone ever does old content though.
I CAN CAPTIVATE KIRINS IF I WANNA.
I did Dyna Windy last night too. You jelly? :o
Leviathan.Niniann said:
Luz said:
Leviathan.Niniann said:
Cerberus.Kylos said:
I guess i was just upset because of how people were talking to me, i give my opinion and people shot it down in a way i didnt like, and instead of players talkin to each other properly, all they were doing was arguing like children so i had a bit of a go lol.
Thanks for the tip man, ill do that in a little bit, when someone puts it like that im going to believe them, i guess that the triggers really are that important.
Thanks for the tip man, ill do that in a little bit, when someone puts it like that im going to believe them, i guess that the triggers really are that important.
Myself as well as many other people on these forums are sick and tired of ignorant people that don't bother to do research themselves on jobs and their capabilities. If you skimmed a few of these threads you would have known that MNK+NIN were the best tanks, and WHY.
I'm truly not trying to be rude or condescending, I'm just sick of people who don't know ***and act like they do.
As for the "people like DNC" remark you made. DNC sucks--NIN is better than it in every aspect--I don't see why so many people keep acting like it's a top-tier job. It's my favorite job, and I'll keep playing it until the game dies whether it sucks or not, but it is NOT a good job. With that said, it's still an excellent healer for outside-Abyssea areas, not like anyone ever does old content though.
I CAN CAPTIVATE KIRINS IF I WANNA.
I did Dyna Windy last night too. You jelly? :o
Leviathan.Niniann said:
Luz said:
Leviathan.Niniann said:
Cerberus.Kylos said:
I guess i was just upset because of how people were talking to me, i give my opinion and people shot it down in a way i didnt like, and instead of players talkin to each other properly, all they were doing was arguing like children so i had a bit of a go lol.
Thanks for the tip man, ill do that in a little bit, when someone puts it like that im going to believe them, i guess that the triggers really are that important.
Thanks for the tip man, ill do that in a little bit, when someone puts it like that im going to believe them, i guess that the triggers really are that important.
Myself as well as many other people on these forums are sick and tired of ignorant people that don't bother to do research themselves on jobs and their capabilities. If you skimmed a few of these threads you would have known that MNK+NIN were the best tanks, and WHY.
I'm truly not trying to be rude or condescending, I'm just sick of people who don't know ***and act like they do.
As for the "people like DNC" remark you made. DNC sucks--NIN is better than it in every aspect--I don't see why so many people keep acting like it's a top-tier job. It's my favorite job, and I'll keep playing it until the game dies whether it sucks or not, but it is NOT a good job. With that said, it's still an excellent healer for outside-Abyssea areas, not like anyone ever does old content though.
I CAN CAPTIVATE KIRINS IF I WANNA.
I did Dyna Windy last night too. You jelly? :o
Is the murder house a problem any more?
Shiva.Flionheart said:
Is the murder house a problem any more?
Probably not with a bunch of people, we skipped it since our setup was NIN DNC BRD RDM THF, didn't really leave much room for screw-ups. It'd largely depend on how many statues/what kind of statues are in the death house, I don't know that information off the top of my head (usually avoided the place like the plague). If the statues didn't cast magic, and there were like 6 or so I'd say it'd be doable with low numbers but I dunno. Also your sleeper would have to time their sleeps otherwise you're all ***. D:
Leviathan.Niniann said:
Shiva.Flionheart said:
Is the murder house a problem any more?
Probably not with a bunch of people, we skipped it since our setup was NIN DNC BRD RDM THF, didn't really leave much room for screw-ups. It'd largely depend on how many statues/what kind of statues are in the death house, I don't know that information off the top of my head (usually avoided the place like the plague). If the statues didn't cast magic, and there were like 6 or so I'd say it'd be doable with low numbers but I dunno. Also your sleeper would have to time their sleeps otherwise you're all ***. D:
ugh... I'm the main sleeper on that next time I do it too.
God damnit I hate the murder house.
Shiva.Flionheart said:
ugh... I'm the main sleeper on that next time I do it too.
God damnit I hate the murder house.
God damnit I hate the murder house.
; -; If you don't use Spellcast/windower macro timer scripty things to time your sleeps, just tell them you're scurred. I'd tell them that even if I did use those. :<
Leviathan.Niniann said:
Shiva.Flionheart said:
ugh... I'm the main sleeper on that next time I do it too.
God damnit I hate the murder house.
God damnit I hate the murder house.
; -; If you don't use Spellcast/windower macro timer scripty things to time your sleeps, just tell them you're scurred. I'd tell them that even if I did use those. :<
I don't use spellcast at all lol, it's on my to do list. I'm sure they won't mind, I think were lowmanning it as BRD, SAM, NIN, WHM, BLM and maybe a MNK
If I screw up I'll just blame lag and hide under blankets D:
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