Arizona Congresswoman Shot At Public Event

"They're for family protection, hunting dangerous or delicious animals, and keeping the King of England out of your face."

>mfw we don't even have a king

>mfw I don't even have a face.

lol

It's from Season 9 Episode 5 "The Cartridge Family" of the Simpsons.

The only clip on youtube is in German, lol.

Soon the Rebellion will be crushed and young Skywalker will be one of us.

to kill/shoot things that you want to kill and or shoot at, that's what the point in guns are.

Assuming he got the gun legally which is a definite possibility that I do not doubt. There are a couple of observations I'd like to point out.

The guy was not sane.

He said goodbye to his friends and family so he expected to be arrested or dead.

Given those two points imo it is safe to say if he could not legally obtain a weapon he would have had the 'ambition' to obtain one illegally. And most likely the means as well.

One recent news story mentioned he had an automatic weapon...which is not legal to have, if this is the case. Theres still a lot of foggy-ness to this story.

I heard semi-automatic. Then again, didn't an article on yahoo say she was killed and now is alive? Better to wait on something like this for correct info. Someone being dead or alive is kind of a big thing though. Dunno how you miss that.

I'm glad you chose this analogy.
A driver's license is much harder to obtain and maintain than a gun permit/license.
You have shitty vision or a physical handicap or mental impairment that limits your ability to safely operate a vehicle and avoid endangering lives of others? No license for you. You do stupid ***like drive recklessly or drive drunk? No license for you.

Yes, gun control laws are better than they used to be. People do at least have to pass some type of background check and in some cases complete some training classes, etc.

But it isn't enough, because firearms keep falling into the hands of people who have moderate to severe emotional instability. And, no, I'm not talking about urban gangbangers buying ***off the black market from South America or whatever.
I'm talking about people like the guy who opened fire in a lecture hall @ Virginia Tech a few years ago. Dude just walks into a store and buys up guns and ammo, LEGALLY, according to whatever gun "control" laws where in place at the time.

It's too soon to know if this is how this Arizona shooter acquired his piece yet, but I'd put money down that he probably got the gun used in this tragic crime the same way.

The problem with most pro-firearms advocates I meet is that they usually fail to see that although THEY might be responsible law-abiding citizens properly using firearms for self-defense (or hunting game, whatever), the laws that allow them to carry ALSO ENABLE unstable and/or deranged citizens to EASILY acquire deadly weapons, too.

What I'd advocate for, whether pro-firearms or pro-control, is serious compromise, which would have to include VERY strict criteria for owning a gun, legally. Psychological exams, tests for emotional wellness, etc. We do this kind of testing for FBI agents, Air Force pilots, and even to determine whether or not a defendant is fit to stand for criminal trial. And if someone can't demonstrate psychological and emotional wellness and stability, they don't get no gun. Period.

Before any 2nd Amendment rights' advocates boo-hoo about my proposal, I seriously want you to think about today's events, and the future. ***LIKE THIS TRAGEDY TODAY WILL KEEP HAPPENING, and like it or not, guns are at least PARTIALLY and SIGNIFICANTLY to blame. The American populace, and American government will NOT tolerate this forever, and probably not for much longer. If we can't tighten gun control significantly via compromise, the government WILL, at some point, lay down the law and go FAR beyond compromise.

So would you rather face the psychological and emotional testing to obtain and maintain your permission to carry, or would you rather stick your head in the ground and pretend that every gun-related tragedy doesn't bring the 2nd Amendment closer to its full and total demise?

And another story now says a pistol with extended clips...so yeah won't know the whole story for quite some time.

I'd sooner team up with the tea party extremists and overthrow any government that would attempt such a silly thing.

1. Someone who "says goodbye" to friends/family has the mental capacity to know what he is doing, and to understand his actions are likely to have dire consequences. By definition, that person IS SANE. So, your "observation" that he "was not sane" is blatantly incorrect.

2. Just because someone "might" have the means and the desire to illegally obtain an illegal firearm DOES NOT MEAN that we should just let him have one via legal means. Just because someone may or may not potentially have the creativity and resources to discover another way to murder people DOES NOT MEAN stricter gun control laws might not have prevented this tragedy from happening! You DON'T KNOW that, so don't try to fake like you do.

Fair enough.
But in that case, give me/us a better solution/proposal.

What we have now is not working.

On a totally related note, I want to buy one of these if I can find one. Thoughts?

Cars kill more people than guns. Maybe we should make getting a license much more difficult. Yu'd perhaps save more lives in the process...

But you can't get rid of the pointy sticks, heavy rocks, cars, motorcycles, baseball bats, pipes, fists, dogs, cats, trained attack bears, booby traps, did I say fists?, sharp pens, wire, string, poison...

Get the point? No. Because ***tons of people don't, either.

OMGgunzarebadddddd!!!!!!1111!!!

No. There are MILLIONS of ways to hurt people. Stop being such a racist.

Are you high?

while I agree that with the mentally unstable you have a point, I disagree with the stricter laws to prevent idiots from killing themselves with guns, quite frankly I find it natural selection doing it's job.

As for the mentally unstable, it should disqualify them from a gun purchase, however a test beforehand is going too far, you go that far and everyone will just start owning illegal guns.

Think I'm wrong? I know too many rednecks that will fight til they die before they give up their guns.

I totally laugh when people want stricter gun laws when people commit crimes with them, I just go "are you *** serious?"

a solutions should be worked on, I'll give you that much, there is definitely a problem

Again, I'm pretty glad to not live in a country that allows guns.

One of the very few reasons I wouldn't live in America, along with having to tip, but that's a totally different ball of yarn.

that's ok, you'll just get stabbed, or when you get invaded you won't have a means to defend yourself, or if your government gets too oppressive the same, it's all fine and dandy to be defenseless.

fool.

Seems to be working pretty well so far.

Well, it's totally changing the topic here, but we absolutely should make getting (and more importantly, keeping) a driver's license more difficult.

I work in a rehabilitation hospital, and this gives me two fairly unique perspectives on the topic:

1. I see the worst of the worst in motor vehicle traumas (at least among the ones that survive). Brain injuries where previously completely healthy people are left permanently unable to speak, or swallow food, or walk, or in some cases even roll over in bed or respond to a loved one saying "hello". Yes, brain injuries can happen many ways, but motor vehicle trauma is FAR and away the most common cause (on topic, gunshot wounds are on the list, too, most commonly self-inflicted).
Not all motor vehicle accidents are preventable. However, if we eliminated, say, the bottom 10% of driver's licensees that were most likely to cause a trauma/accident, we would save MILLIONS (or more!) of dollars in disability, lost wages, lost man-days, life-saving emergency medical procedures, medical rehabilitation costs, equipment costs, insurance premiums, and the list goes on ... and on ...


2. You would not believe how some drivers, who hold valid licenses, drive. I've seen hundreds of paraplegic persons, amputees, and other people with MAJOR physical disabilities, freely and openly admit they use a baseball bat, or umbrella, or walking cane to operate the accelerator and brake pedals of their car/truck. Yes, seriously, there are people on the road, with licenses, right now, that either can't feel/move their legs, or even don't have leg(s), driving along, and your life could depend on that person reliably being able to apply adequate and timely pressure to a car's brake pedal ... with a *** stick.

You're forgetting Americans are also the most HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE of the bunch.

evidence?

nativity isn't a virtue.

Everything I've read has pointed to gun related crime actually increasing once your ban on handguns went into effect.

Just one of the many sites/statistics I've seen that says the same.

Of course I don't live over there so I don't actually know how it is... I know what gun crime is like where I live because I see it in the news everyday and what not.

Probably with the peasants and chavs in London lol.

But all in all, I'm pretty glad guns are illegal here.

Maybe calling him insane is not the correct term but he clearly has some sort of mental illness and was in no way mentally stable. Just because he understood the possible consequences of his actions does not mean that there isn't something seriously wrong with him.

And I stand by my opinion that even if he did legally option a his gun that making laws stricter wouldn't have averted this tragedy.