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 Siren.Enternius
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By Siren.Enternius 2009-03-18 14:37:42  
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If you invite any of these jobs expecting them to be ready to pull then you fail as PT lead.


Yes, people, it was bound to happen, but Frobeus shows up just to argue with me.

RDMs may not agree to it but, if you're a tank and you don't have a real designated puller, you're every bit as culpable as your leader for not getting a puller. I mean with voke, you obviously have the 17-foot range, and it's instant, and the first person to get hate on a mob gets a big boost in how much hate they get from that JA/Attack/Spell, so I don't see why a tank wouldn't pull if you didn't have a BRD or something.

That being said, it might just me. I tend to go the extra mile on most jobs. I have tanked on SAM, WAR, MNK, etc.
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By Siren.Enternius 2009-03-18 14:37:43  
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If you invite any of these jobs expecting them to be ready to pull then you fail as PT lead.


Yes, people, it was bound to happen, but Frobeus shows up just to argue with me.

RDMs may not agree to it but, if you're a tank and you don't have a real designated puller, you're every bit as culpable as your leader for not getting a puller. I mean with voke, you obviously have the 17-foot range, and it's instant, and the first person to get hate on a mob gets a big boost in how much hate they get from that JA/Attack/Spell, so I don't see why a tank wouldn't pull if you didn't have a BRD or something.

That being said, it might just be me. I tend to go the extra mile on most jobs. I have tanked on SAM, WAR, MNK, etc.
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By Asura.Hatheron 2009-03-18 14:47:44  
What annoys me slightly is when someone dies in a party and the healer (assuming WHM) says "Sorry, I couldn't target you in time!" First of all, macros are your friend. Second, I believe a lot of this problem is that many players haven't realized yet that if you scroll up or down with your D-pad (PS2 or Xbox), you can cycle through you party/alliance only. I have this mental image of some noob desperately trying to target some by scrolling through every damn target on their screen. I understand that there are particular circumstances that could prevent a healer from rescuing a DD from KO, but from my experience this is the most common (and frustrating) reason.
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By Midgardsormr.Frobeus 2009-03-18 14:50:31  
PLD: You had better be resting as much as possible between every single fight. Having your pld run off after every fight is really going to screw with their MP regain.

NIN: It's a shadow problem mostly. Many Nin like to take the short time between battles to cancel out half gone shadows and re-up with a fresh set to keep count more easily. Also for a nin there is a good chance they could have their shadows wiped by the inc mob before they get to camp, in which case getting shadows back up when they get to camp could be troublesome.

For both: If they have to use voke to pull then your going to have some hate issues. Since Voke's hate is completely gone in 30 seconds, by the time the tank got back to camp, it's likely voke timer won't be up yet and most of the hate from the original voke has already worn.
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By Odin.Liela 2009-03-18 15:08:59  
I used to party in a static with a pld who no longer plays, but it would make me SO mad when I was a rng trying to pull colibris and he would run out and provoke one. More than once he provoked a different one than I was pulling and I did not feel sorry for him at all when that happened and he had to tank two. Served him right, he should have sat his butt in camp and rested.
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By Fairy.Xxnumbertwoxx 2009-03-18 15:13:22  
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You had better be resting as much as possible between every single fight.


This applies to everyone that isn't pulling, so 5/6 of the party should be on a knee between pulls. From a main healers perspective, (both as DNC and WHM) it's irritating as all hell when people stand there in the yellow between fights. Even if it's just for 1 tick, it's still better then nothing...

Only possible exception would be areas where TP loss can't be negated by sigil/signet. Everywhere else...you'd better be freaking resting.
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By Midgardsormr.Frobeus 2009-03-18 15:22:31  
Xxnumbertwoxx said:
Frobeus said:
You had better be resting as much as possible between every single fight.


This applies to everyone that isn't pulling, so 5/6 of the party should be on a knee between pulls. From a main healers perspective, (both as DNC and WHM) it's irritating as all hell when people stand there in the yellow between fights. Even if it's just for 1 tick, it's still better then nothing...

Only possible exception would be areas where TP loss can't be negated by sigil/signet. Everywhere else...you'd better be freaking resting.


Well since 95% of xp'ing occurs in Aht Urgan areas after lvl 53, this would normaly be the case.
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By Fairy.Xxnumbertwoxx 2009-03-18 15:33:15  
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Well since 95% of xp'ing occurs in Aht Urgan areas after lvl 53, this would normaly be the case.


Yeah, but even so, people could still rest from time to time. I watch people, if they just put the mob down with a WS, they don't have TP. They need to rest. But most don't...
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By Midgardsormr.Frobeus 2009-03-18 15:37:48  
Xxnumbertwoxx said:
Frobeus said:


Well since 95% of xp'ing occurs in Aht Urgan areas after lvl 53, this would normaly be the case.


Yeah, but even so, people could still rest from time to time. I watch people, if they just put the mob down with a WS, they don't have TP. They need to rest. But most don't...


Not exactly true, but I think that we can agree, that if you should be resting, you damn well better be resting.
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By Ifrit.Haseyo 2009-03-18 15:42:54
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Reublucian said:
Frobeus said:
Pt leaders who build pt's without first finding camp to go to.


I actually always wait til the whole pt joins, then I ask where everyone would prefer to camp.


So do I.
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By Garuda.Hypnotizd 2009-03-18 16:05:28  
Haseyo said:
Reublucian said:
Frobeus said:
Pt leaders who build pt's without first finding camp to go to.


I actually always wait til the whole pt joins, then I ask where everyone would prefer to camp.


So do I.

Yeah, do you expect party leaders to go to a camp and hold it then start inviting people?
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By Midgardsormr.Frobeus 2009-03-18 16:11:30  
Hypnotizd said:
Haseyo said:
Reublucian said:
Frobeus said:
Pt leaders who build pt's without first finding camp to go to.


I actually always wait til the whole pt joins, then I ask where everyone would prefer to camp.


So do I.

Yeah, do you expect party leaders to go to a camp and hold it then start inviting people?


No, but meripo for example. They should at least /sea zones before inviting people. Its very annoying to get invited only to have the leader say sorry all the camps are full or to take you out somewhere just to camp on top of someone else.
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By Garuda.Hypnotizd 2009-03-18 16:14:24  
That brings up a new gear grindage. People who camp on other people. All of you: DIAF. Slowly.
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By Asura.Celene 2009-03-18 16:14:56  
Hypnotizd said:
Haseyo said:
Reublucian said:
Frobeus said:
Pt leaders who build pt's without first finding camp to go to.


I actually always wait til the whole pt joins, then I ask where everyone would prefer to camp.


So do I.

Yeah, do you expect party leaders to go to a camp and hold it then start inviting people?


Leading can prove to be difficult.
I mean, you don't want to keep a whole EXP/Merit PT waiting while you look around for a camp, but you also don't want to hold a camp and then decide to start looking for members. It prevents another party that is ready to go, to gain EXP/Merit. Most likely people will just camp on top of you if you are holding, anyways.
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By Bahamut.Bojack 2009-03-23 19:40:31  
This is what just grinded my gears:

When someone is camping something and they don't even need the item it drops.

Was just in Onzozo camping Moldy Earring with a friend (1 other person there, a RDM). We didn't know ToD so we just hung out there for a while. After about 1hr50mins this *** *** Princebob (66WAR/DNC from Thanatos LS) comes in and starts killing a few things. I told my friend that he's not in a pt and can't kill the NM alone. He puts his flag up while he was killing stuff. Around the 2hr25min mark he was running by me, I turned my camera and I see the NM pop in the same direction he was running, we were both close enough to voke...and he got it first, so I thought 'For *** sakes'. He didn't take our invite but he took an invite from that RDM that was there. He died shortly after from an AM spell which made me happy. The RDM had a hard time, 2 links, and only killed it just before dying from the links. I was pissed at that *** *** bob so I chose not to help her. He obviously wasn't there to help her specifically cause she would have invited him a long time ago. What the *** is the point of claiming something you don't need, I don't *** get it. ***!
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By Bahamut.Raenryong 2009-03-23 19:51:20  
It's Thanatos

If they can do something to make the server as a whole a worse place, they will do it and they will do it without shame.
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2009-03-23 19:59:34  
Hypnotizd said:
That brings up a new gear grindage. People who camp on other people. All of you: DIAF. Slowly.

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By Garuda.Wooooodum 2009-03-23 20:31:08  
People who send you a string of offensive, whiney or emotional tells because you're AFK and they think you're ignoring them.
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By Seraph.Darkvision 2009-03-23 20:51:15  
what really grinds my gears?

* RMTs
* being afk and lfp
* the macro system
* people telling you your job and not focusing on the fight
* usless GMs
* if you help somone out thn later need thier help and refuse to every time
* offering somone advice about a job thier lvling and you have it to75 an know the job well and they tell you to gtfo
* SE's BS when you have to phone them up
* beggers
* people who use others to make gil for themselves and not even thank them for thier services or not giving them a lil gil tip
* peole hopping LS and fist thing that they type is "can anyone help me with....."
* people who say that they will help you with something and then later decide they aint gonna help
* pain in the *** updated

i think thats it for now, well all i can think of but i know there is more
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By Bismarck.Kenage 2009-03-23 20:51:43  
Enternius said:
Frobeus said:
If you invite any of these jobs expecting them to be ready to pull then you fail as PT lead.


Yes, people, it was bound to happen, but Frobeus shows up just to argue with me.

RDMs may not agree to it but, if you're a tank and you don't have a real designated puller, you're every bit as culpable as your leader for not getting a puller. I mean with voke, you obviously have the 17-foot range, and it's instant, and the first person to get hate on a mob gets a big boost in how much hate they get from that JA/Attack/Spell, so I don't see why a tank wouldn't pull if you didn't have a BRD or something.

That being said, it might just be me. I tend to go the extra mile on most jobs. I have tanked on SAM, WAR, MNK, etc.
it's hard to make a tank pull, because the can leave before the creature dies, making slower kills.

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By Seraph.Darkvision 2009-03-23 21:06:12  
Bojack said:
This is what just grinded my gears:

When someone is camping something and they don't even need the item it drops.

Was just in Onzozo camping Moldy Earring with a friend (1 other person there, a RDM). We didn't know ToD so we just hung out there for a while. After about 1hr50mins this *** *** Princebob (66WAR/DNC from Thanatos LS) comes in and starts killing a few things. I told my friend that he's not in a pt and can't kill the NM alone. He puts his flag up while he was killing stuff. Around the 2hr25min mark he was running by me, I turned my camera and I see the NM pop in the same direction he was running, we were both close enough to voke...and he got it first, so I thought 'For *** sakes'. He didn't take our invite but he took an invite from that RDM that was there. He died shortly after from an AM spell which made me happy. The RDM had a hard time, 2 links, and only killed it just before dying from the links. I was pissed at that *** *** bob so I chose not to help her. He obviously wasn't there to help her specifically cause she would have invited him a long time ago. What the *** is the point of claiming something you don't need, I don't *** get it. ***!


i camp it all the time when lvling my NPC but if i get claim and there are people around that need it, i invite them they normally dont have TH and i am always in there as RDM/THF with my NPC sofar when i have done this its has dropped, i camp the NM for the gil and scrolls, and farm cockatrice while lvling NPC and look for the chests every 30 mins. but i always ask people around me if the need it
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By Seraph.Darkvision 2009-03-23 21:14:15  
oh i forgot, LS's that do 5+ pops on gods and wont let your LS pop 1 in between coz you only have 1 set of trigs for that god
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By Fairy.Mykoto 2009-03-24 11:47:07  
Bojack said:
This is what just grinded my gears:

When someone is camping something and they don't even need the item it drops.


Back when I was camping Shikigami Weapon for my Yinyang robe, there was always atleast 1 or 2 people camping him just to see if they could solo him -.-
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By Seraph.Darkvision 2009-03-24 11:51:33  
Mykoto said:
Bojack said:
This is what just grinded my gears:

When someone is camping something and they don't even need the item it drops.


Back when I was camping Shikigami Weapon for my Yinyang robe, there was always atleast 1 or 2 people camping him just to see if they could solo him -.-


there was an item that used to be a very rare from from shiki but SE moved this drop to another NM
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By Fenrir.Omnitank 2009-03-24 11:56:44  
Puppies, Puppies grind my gears.
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By Bahamut.Ragnell 2009-03-24 13:17:47
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Omnitank said:
Puppies, Puppies grind my gears.


Would you put puppies IN gears?
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By Fenrir.Omnitank 2009-03-24 13:26:14  
I grind them up in my tires when I speed down populated neighborhoods.
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By Bahamut.Ragnell 2009-03-24 13:32:46
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gears would have been cooler
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