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 Bahamut.Satanas
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By Bahamut.Satanas 2010-11-15 21:11:40  
Hi I'm a bit new to ranger and don't know much about it, which should would be better to ws with in the neck slot?
This


or this
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By Ragnarok.Cerelyn 2010-11-15 21:24:36  
breeze gorget work nice if you want to keep some R.ACC for WS like Sidewinder
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By Bahamut.Striker 2010-11-15 21:27:18  
Light Gorget!
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By Bahamut.Satanas 2010-11-15 21:28:04  
But sidewinder is very accurate ^_~ lol jk, it is pretty accurate atm, so I'm thinking I have enough accuracy to land it most of the time, so would ire torque do more dmg than gorget?
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By Bahamut.Satanas 2010-11-15 21:28:59  
Bahamut.Striker said:
Light Gorget!

Is there a difference between light and breeze for Sidewinder?
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By Cerberus.Quipto 2010-11-15 21:35:09  
Bahamut.Satanas said:
Bahamut.Striker said:
Light Gorget!
Is there a difference between light and breeze for Sidewinder?
No, there isn't.
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By Bahamut.Striker 2010-11-15 21:35:43  
Not really, but if you look at the WS that light gorget covers for RNG, it's pretty much any ws you will ever use on bow/gun/xbow
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By Cerberus.Quipto 2010-11-15 21:38:52  
From my personal research, WS neck pieces rate in order:
Light Gorget
Qiqirn Collar
Hope Torque
Justice Torque
Corvus Torque
Sylvan Scarf
Ire Torque
Ire Torque +1

From worst to best. But racc permitting, and situational, etc...

Edit: This is for Sidewinder btw.
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By Bahamut.Satanas 2010-11-15 21:42:18  
Gorget it is, thanks so much for the info guys :)

I can't read for ***lol, sorry, Ire torque it is!
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2010-11-15 22:14:45  
Just curious, what do RNGs use for atmas?
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By Ifrit.Darkanaseur 2010-11-15 22:20:29  
Bahamut.Satanas said:
Gorget it is, thanks so much for the info guys :)

I can't read for ***lol, sorry, Ire torque it is!

Actually the last time I mathed this out, Ire broke even with a sea gorget, or almost did or something. Either way, gorget is free, and Ire has -racc, go figure.

Fenrir.Nightfyre said:
Just curious, what do RNGs use for atmas?

VV, Stoutarm maybe, maybe RR?
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2010-11-15 22:24:26  
Ifrit.Darkanaseur said:
Fenrir.Nightfyre said:
Just curious, what do RNGs use for atmas?

VV, Stoutarm maybe, maybe RR?
Figured it was something to that effect. Even assuming Ire +1 wins outside Abyssea, I can't see it winning inside... fSTR2 should be capped, which leaves only WSC and ratk from Ire Torque in exchange for giving up 14 racc and 0.1 to fTP. I'm not seeing it beating a gorget, much less any of the high-end options.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Giazz 2010-11-15 22:36:35  
Gorget is better.
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By Bahamut.Satanas 2010-11-15 23:40:32  
I thought it would be atma of the drifter and stout arm
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2010-11-15 23:46:02  
Bahamut.Satanas said:
stout arm
Gives STR, so what I said still holds. Dunno about Drifter, if the racc is relevant then perhaps but the ratk may or may not be... Which favors an AGI atma (Gnarled Horn perhaps?) or something like Razed Ruins.
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By Bahamut.Satanas 2010-11-15 23:57:24  
Wiki says Str and Ratt
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By Quetzalcoatl.Giazz 2010-11-16 00:21:07  
Well if you're using the STR atma and capping fSTR2, the STR from the torque is only giving you WSC and 3 ratk, and sidewinder's str mod is only 16% ...

while the gorget gives you a 2% increase (5.10/5.00 = 2%) from the 0.1 to fTP, and also +14 racc over the torque.
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By Diabolos.Sovereign 2010-11-16 02:09:05  
Fenrir.Nightfyre said:
Just curious, what do RNGs use for atmas?

I usually go with Stout Arm and Voracious Violet. Two TP per tick regain is epic, not to mention the STR and R.Atk bonuses from both atmas.
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By Cerberus.Quipto 2010-11-16 03:43:11  
I generally use VV/Stout Arm. People forget there is no cap to WS modifiers and 90 STR is killer.
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By Ifrit.Darkanaseur 2010-11-16 03:44:10  
Yeah but your neck piece order is still wrong
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2010-11-16 11:34:19  
Cerberus.Quipto said:
I generally use VV/Stout Arm. People forget there is no cap to WS modifiers and 90 STR is killer.
Not forgetting. I think you're forgetting that the AGI mod is stronger and you get more ratk off Sylvan Scarf.
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By Ragnarok.Ashman 2010-11-16 11:53:02  
Cerberus.Quipto said:
From my personal research, WS neck pieces rate in order: Light Gorget Qiqirn Collar Hope Torque Justice Torque Corvus Torque Sylvan Scarf Ire Torque Ire Torque +1 From worst to best. But racc permitting, and situational, etc... Edit: This is for Sidewinder btw.

I would have thought:
Light
Hope
Sylvan Scarf
Qiq
Corvus
Justice
and then ire personally but i guess it depends on your other gear.

Hope has racc from the agi and additional racc and ratt from archery+
Sylvan's agi should make up the minor racc thats on qiq collar and has the same ratt bonus with the added bonus of enmity- (plus agi is a secondary mod). Justice im struggling with.... I ws in osode and i know your fSTR2 is important but i guess id have to parse out the torques for a real answer. I had a light torque before i even leveled rng so ive never had to consider it.
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By Ragnarok.Ashman 2010-11-16 12:00:53  
This is what im workign with now using fire weather bataleur +1 or siege bow

tp:


ws:
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By Bismarck.Helel 2010-11-16 12:06:34  
Breeze Gorget outperforms ire torque +1 in both damage and accuracy. I have both and I have tested both extensively. Breeze gorget always does more damage, especially in abyssea where your fstr will be capped anyway. If you don't have breeze/light, use ire. If you don't have ire then start farming gil/organs.
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By Bahamut.Satanas 2010-11-16 12:08:25  
Ragnarok.Ashman said:
This is what im workign with now using fire weather bataleur +1 or siege bow

tp:


ws:

Nice set, I didn't think the str+3 on rutters outweighed the Ratt+10 on scout socks. Are you currently on a 6-hit Siege bow?
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By Fenrir.Mtmoogle 2010-11-16 12:10:35  
how are YOU new at rng when its 78!!!! >___>
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2010-11-16 12:11:42  
Bahamut.Satanas said:
Nice set, I didn't think the str+3 on rutters outweighed the Ratt+10 on scout socks.
It probably doesn't.
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By Ragnarok.Ashman 2010-11-16 12:54:48  
Fenrir.Nightfyre said:
Bahamut.Satanas said:
Nice set, I didn't think the str+3 on rutters outweighed the Ratt+10 on scout socks.
It probably doesn't.

Yeah :x those arent in there anymore. I just hadn't bothered to remove them from the set since dropping the boots. Once i change over to praeda hands and feet i will just be using scouts for ws til sylvan +2.

Bahamut.Satanas said:
Are you currently on a 6-hit Siege bow?

with rose strap I am 5 hit on tp phase as /sam. i need to make up 4 stp on ws phase for a true 5 hit (VV atma usually bails me out atm but its not legit)
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By Sylph.Tsujikiri 2010-11-16 13:15:36  
Get the Sylvan Chlamys back piece.
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By Ragnarok.Ashman 2010-11-16 13:20:51  
Sylph.Tsujikiri said:
Get the Sylvan Chlamys back piece.

Good plan! I hope the trial for bateleur isn't too rough next month. As it is, it's close in DPS to siege and alot more work to get.



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