Tachi Fudo

Yea, I don't think it matters which gorget you use. Latent is active when using a WS with certain skillchain properties and since some WS have multiple properties, you can use different gorgets/belts for them.
I would think that using snow gorget and light belt in the same WS-set would work as well.

Well there's diminishing returns, the higher your rate is, the less you gain from RR, same for +crit damage. But even with capped dDEX and merits, you still gain way more than any +ws bonus atma.

Just out of curiosity, what was the dmg increase for 100% TP on fudo again, going from 3.65 to 4.65?
I think I have read that it's like 40% but could have been a different WS. Tried to find where I've read it but couldn't find anything. ><

Only the increase in WS dmg anyway, not overall dmg.

I was just making sure is all. I have snow gorget/belt and light gorget/belt. Just seen all the snow and had to ask. Thanks

Maybe I'm missing something here, but I noticed how quite a few setups people had the Perle boots in their WS build. Wouldn't even the Unkai Sune-Ate +1 be a better choice, given that it has the same amount of STR+ as Perle and an additional 10 att and 10acc over perle. Just wanted to clear that up.

Yes.

Ws in full perle for the set proc of awesomeness.

Just wanted to make sure I wasn't the only one who saw that. Unkai Sune-Ate seals are by no means difficult to obtain, I had the seals for 6 weeks before I ever got the boots lol.

Quick question:
Light belt or anginus belt?

Berk down they are very close.

Berk Up Light belt.

beir belt +1 , good or bad ?
also iam still comparing justice vs ele gorget.

Elemental Gorget/Belt should stomp all over Torque/BeirBelt.

Hi everyone

I just came back from a 5-6 month break so I am a bit behind the times. I have noticed that my fudos are pretty abyssmal on higher tier mobs (briareus, other nms) and am wondering if there is something wrong with my setup. If someone could please point out something glaringly obvious as to why I'm sucking so much please let me know.

Atmas I usually run with: VV and AO or SB (depending on if I plan to WS at 100 or 300). I only have 2 lunar abyssites, and no atma of the apocalypse (naturally). Once I get my 3rd atma I'll probably use something like VV/AO/SB until I can get apoc. Not sure about RR since, well, it only seems useful if I'm meleeing a lot of the time (or /thf).

I almost always use curry buns, either red or yellow.

Here's my ws set. I'm working my way to +2 gkt. not enough people I can convince (read: none at all) to help with masamune so gotta settle:



With this I'm seeing average 1k to 2k WS, with occasional high spikes, and pretty much every SS I see on this site has at least 3-4k. Does zerk make a huge difference?

thanks in advance. sorry for wall'o'text

I Would use RR. In my setup I use RR Apoc Griffons claw, average around 3.5k Fudos, spikes upto 5.5k. So far haven't tried it outside of Abyssea yet or on anything tough as I'm always BLM :/ I think it's well worth working on the Griffons claw Atma really easily to unlock takes less than an hour. And get your 3rd lunar! Too lazy to post my WS set, it's equipped on my profile atm if anyone cares. Just need to upgrade pants and ring and I think I'm pretty much sorted. :D

I actually thought something like this was ideal.

of course, Byrnie +1, as it'll take weeks to find that new body.

Light Gorget/belt should ***all over those neck/belt? That's a pretty nice body, wonder if it actually glows like in the pic.

Only if you are capped on attack, otherwise you're getting 13 attack extra from the belt/neck and more with berserk/food multipling it(extra 6-7)

Gorget did more for gekko because it had a lower ftp, Fudo's ftp is higher and therefore recieves a lower boost from gorget/belt that the high str/att will over come it.

Since when did gekko have a low ftp? I thought it was pretty sweet all things considered? or was it just the massive att boost that made it sweet?

so how would beir compare with anguinus?

I was wondering the same. I currently use that in my zerk down set.

Forgot to mention this, but Justice torque should be the best ws neck, 5str and an extra 7 attack to boot, will beat out the 2str a majority of the time, cant believe I forgot that one. As for Ire, its good for now but hit and miss with gorget, as its right between the margin where if its not getting that extra base dmg boost from the odd str, gorget is on par with it.

Gekko is 1.5625ftp, thats pretty low vs 3.65ftp on fudo, which will average around 3.81~ish with DA(+ele belt/neck aswell), and higher with Apoc/andVV, tp overflow, moonshade.

Depends, are we talking about nq beir? if so, anguinus should be on par if not better slightly. HQ is better than anguinus inside abyssea probably always.

Outside abyssea, it would depend on the mob really, if the new content has any lv 99 mob with like 500+ def, ya anguinus belt should be on par/or better than HQ beir, if we are talking about nq, anguinus always.

Difference is extremely small with the belts though. 1str is the difference between NQ and HQ so for anguinus which has an average of 9attack over them its really coming down to that 1str giving fstr/wsc being added, if its not, its just the same as NQ beir, ie giving anguinus a better average overall due to cost vs effectiveness.

So in short: attack capped - ele belt(majority of the time with capped attack) non attack capped- Anguinus belt. If your sam is your job of jobs and you have cash to burn, Beir +1 with uncapped situations otherwise anguinus will give you the same results majority of the time minus the white box.

Dumb question, but when can you estimate that attack/pdif is "capped"? Is it either a static yes/no depending on mob or is there some level of variance depending on what your buffs/their debuffs are that you can say "i'm capped on this mob."

If the latter, how can you estimate? I'm trying to find out what situations I would be better off using non-atk gear for but this is the wall I always encounter as I just don't know whether or not to assume I am capped.

Well theres only a handful of items with attack that you would even have this debate over. Byrnie+1/Twilight and maybe JSE mantle/Fortis mantle, and those get swapped during berserk(provided youre having Red curry maybe even bison steak/R.pies). Whatever you use for zerk down should get swapped over to gorget, same for belt for zerk.

If you want to get technical you could have moonshade+Cent while berserk is down and moonshade/brutal while it is up. Reason being is because inside abyssea youll probably have Apoc+omega or Apoc+VV and thus having a moderate amount of chances of producing triple/double attacks during ws and with fudo having already a high ftp the extra hits brutal gives will be a small difference vs 10att that cent will offer on NMs inside abyssea.

If you could pick specific gear slots that would help out more, but generally what I listed are normally the only pieces people will swap out for, and its generally when berserk is up, unless you happen to know the mobs actual def and can go from there.

Thanks for the quick reply.

Well it's mostly my curiosity going through the ws formula, finding the % increase certain pieces give vs others. Whenever I play around with the #s I don't know what to estimate for pdif.

The one example I was playing around with today though was Askar body & pole grip vs byrnie +1 & rose strap to maintain 5 hit for dynamis. I know the mobs don't have particularly high defense so I am not sure which is the better choice.

I almost always use red curry buns so that attack bonus can be assumed.

I think it takes longer than an hour, even if you could kill every dominion op mob in 30 seconds. There's a lot of traveling involved.

Just a quick question, Wouldnt Ochiudo's Kote be better off than Heafocc Mitts for a Fudo WS? Seeing as stacking attack is recommended for Fudo, least thats what im told/read.

Any thoughts on this?

Page 3. Keep in mind Heafoc also give 6 attack, so when comparing to Ochiudo's, it's 13 STR vs 14 Attack.

Hmmm must of missed that while skim reading/skipping through, my bad on that :s. With that said With VV/RR/Apoc wouldnt 14 att be better off than 13STR for Fudo (if your not capping ATT)? Of course if your capping ATT, then yeah the STR does reign in victorious.