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 Quetzalcoatl.Sectumsempra
サーバ: Quetzalcoatl
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By Quetzalcoatl.Sectumsempra 2010-10-31 13:53:51
Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Quetzalcoatl.Sectumsempra said: We can deny that until someone gives any source of proof for it. So far, no one has reported PC issues.
My friend played on PS2 and couldn't get through the lag of a campaign battle without his PS2 overheating and shutting. PS2 IS TEH DEVIL for starters it's known that mobs spawn slightly faster on the ps2 version, I've also noted zone loading to be faster. Well that's his ps2.
I've run them side by side for a long time, but to make things easy, just wait until I get the videos made, I'll be ordering the laptop tomorrow (I hope).
Quod erat demonstrandum.
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By Ifrit.Darkanaseur 2010-10-31 13:55:29
Bahamut.Jetackuu said: I said run better, which has nothing to do with the resolution or graphics in general, the game itself runs better (smoother). The pc version is an emulation of the ps2 version, it's always going to lag behind.
I heard you the first time, so what is "smoother"? That's generally an aesthetic term in regards to FPS, which both version cap at 29.9. Porting a game very rarely affects gameplay at all, pending how sloppily the dev team handle it. Graphics aside, they're the same game, but if you ever run into bad lag on a console version, you're screwed, they don't even have the additional settings menus available on the PC version to adjust them for such situations.
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Bahamut.Jetackuu
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2010-10-31 13:56:31
Quetzalcoatl.Sectumsempra said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Quetzalcoatl.Sectumsempra said: We can deny that until someone gives any source of proof for it. So far, no one has reported PC issues.
My friend played on PS2 and couldn't get through the lag of a campaign battle without his PS2 overheating and shutting. PS2 IS TEH DEVIL for starters it's known that mobs spawn slightly faster on the ps2 version, I've also noted zone loading to be faster. Well that's his ps2.
I've run them side by side for a long time, but to make things easy, just wait until I get the videos made, I'll be ordering the laptop tomorrow (I hope).
Quod erat demonstrandum. um...no. a 2+ghz p4 is more than enough to play ffxi. But I'll be doing the comparison on a new i7 laptop.
Also I've never said the pc will freeze up in campaign, you said his ps2 did. That's a problem with his ps2, not all ps2.
Bahamut.Jetackuu
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2010-10-31 14:02:19
Ifrit.Darkanaseur said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: I said run better, which has nothing to do with the resolution or graphics in general, the game itself runs better (smoother). The pc version is an emulation of the ps2 version, it's always going to lag behind.
I heard you the first time, so what is "smoother"? That's generally an aesthetic term in regards to FPS, which both version cap at 29.9. Porting a game very rarely affects gameplay at all, pending how sloppily the dev team handle it. Graphics aside, they're the same game, but if you ever run into bad lag on a console version, you're screwed, they don't even have the additional settings menus available on the PC version to adjust them for such situations.
generally yes, but I'm not talking about graphics here. So no you didn't "hear" me the first time.
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By Ifrit.Darkanaseur 2010-10-31 14:04:56
Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Ifrit.Darkanaseur said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: I said run better, which has nothing to do with the resolution or graphics in general, the game itself runs better (smoother). The pc version is an emulation of the ps2 version, it's always going to lag behind. I heard you the first time, so what is "smoother"? That's generally an aesthetic term in regards to FPS, which both version cap at 29.9. Porting a game very rarely affects gameplay at all, pending how sloppily the dev team handle it. Graphics aside, they're the same game, but if you ever run into bad lag on a console version, you're screwed, they don't even have the additional settings menus available on the PC version to adjust them for such situations. generally yes, but I'm not talking about graphics here. So no you didn't "hear" me the first time.
I don't think you're hearing me, I asked what "smoother" meant if you didn't mean graphics, you've only made a blunt claim and said nothing to back it up. So okay!
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Bahamut.Jetackuu
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2010-10-31 14:08:38
Ifrit.Darkanaseur said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Ifrit.Darkanaseur said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: I said run better, which has nothing to do with the resolution or graphics in general, the game itself runs better (smoother). The pc version is an emulation of the ps2 version, it's always going to lag behind. I heard you the first time, so what is "smoother"? That's generally an aesthetic term in regards to FPS, which both version cap at 29.9. Porting a game very rarely affects gameplay at all, pending how sloppily the dev team handle it. Graphics aside, they're the same game, but if you ever run into bad lag on a console version, you're screwed, they don't even have the additional settings menus available on the PC version to adjust them for such situations. generally yes, but I'm not talking about graphics here. So no you didn't "hear" me the first time.
I don't think you're hearing me, I asked what "smoother" meant if you didn't mean graphics, you've only made a blunt claim and said nothing to back it up. So okay!
I'll show you later since I don't feel like explaining the obvious.
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By Ifrit.Darkanaseur 2010-10-31 14:10:29
Now I'm shaking with anticipation
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Bahamut.Jetackuu
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2010-10-31 14:12:17
Ifrit.Darkanaseur said: Now I'm shaking with anticipation lol. Well let us both hope that I'll have enough $ tomorrow to make the purchase, otherwise I'll have to wait until thursday, and then my new laptop won't arrive til next week. Going to take hours for it to update anyway...
Quetzalcoatl.Sectumsempra
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By Quetzalcoatl.Sectumsempra 2010-10-31 14:12:21
The point I was making was this:
If there's such a thing as a PS2 that shits up with the game, then your PC is probably shitting it up too.
Since the overwhelming populous states here that PC doesn't have any bugs or quirks and that PS2 is inferior, maybe it's time to give it up.
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Bahamut.Jetackuu
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2010-10-31 14:14:12
Quetzalcoatl.Sectumsempra said: The point I was making was this:
If there's such a thing as a PS2 that shits up with the game, then your PC is probably shitting it up too.
Since the overwhelming populous states here that PC doesn't have any bugs or quirks and that PS2 is inferior, maybe it's time to give it up.
the overwhelming populous here hasn't played on the ps2, and if they have they haven't multiboxed with it. If I'm wrong on this I'm sorry but it's improbable.
It's been stated (and not just by me) that among other things the ps2 loads mobs faster, maybe it's time for you to give it up.
Also I've played on multiple pcs, and the failbox and neither run the game as well as the ps2 does, they both have quirks. So no it's not just "my pc" however my ps2 doesn't lag out in campaign (as I was just in there) so your point is invalid.
Quetzalcoatl.Giazz
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By Quetzalcoatl.Giazz 2010-10-31 14:14:40
Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Quetzalcoatl.Giazz said: Ifrit.Darkanaseur said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Ifrit.Darkanaseur said: XI runs better on PS2? What is this nonsense? basically put, the game itself runs better (most people would never notice it). To save some effort, in a few weeks I'll be making videos of the game on multiple instances of the game side by side.
Depends what your definition of better is, same deal with the Xbox 360 version, there are less displayed Polys to keep the frame rate higher with weaker processors. Textures are lower resolution too,if you have a good PC, a comparison between the two wouldn't even happen. Max settings on PC with zero slow down is better.
A noble attempt Darka, but just letting you know... he's just not going to listen no matter what.
He's conveniently ignoring most, if not all, of the positive aspects of the PC version. I don't need to include what all you can do on the pc version when I'm stating it runs better on the ps2, because it does (no matter how small the difference seems to you, there's still a difference)
No you stated that the PC version sucked, that was your statement on the first page of this thread.
Now, you're just trying to save face by conveniently ignoring most, if not all, of the positive aspects of the PC version. You're failing miserably though~
Let's see here:
Quetzalcoatl.Giazz said:
Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
game has too many glitches on the pc
No, it doesn't.
Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
you're right you don't think, this game on the pc sucks.
No it doesn't. Sorry, but the PS2 is inferior on so many levels, it's not even funny.
Bahamut.Jetackuu said: My point is there's just some quirks with the pc version that disgust me and I hate playing that way
You're doing it wrong.
Bahamut.Jetackuu said: also I have played windowed since it came out with that feature, but due to the programming it would always crash while windowed for more than a few seconds
No, it doesn't, and again, you're doing it wrong.
Bahamut.Jetackuu said: The 3rd party tos violating one has nothing to do with this conversation, since it's cheating anyway.
^ Keep telling yourself that.
I already explained, in page 2 of this thread, how the "cheating argument" is none applicable really.
Furthermore, you seem to hate windower so much... yet you still use this website, which was made by the same people involved in the development of windower and its plugins.
Bahamut.Jetackuu
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2010-10-31 14:17:50
Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Bismarck.Nexdeus said: You realize when I brought up windower, I meant it in the sense that you can set your draw distance beyond the normal settings, so you can produce images that are beyond the normal limit. You can also fake anti alias your image to give it a much cleaner and crisp view by setting the texture resolutions above stock "high" settings.
you're boring me, not everyone gives a rats *** about graphics, aside from that I was speaking of general gameplay, I've gotten the best experience from the console in regards to the overall aspect of the game, the pc just doesn't do it.
you forgot this one
Bahamut.Jetackuu
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2010-10-31 14:19:09
Quetzalcoatl.Giazz said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Quetzalcoatl.Giazz said: Ifrit.Darkanaseur said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Ifrit.Darkanaseur said: XI runs better on PS2? What is this nonsense? basically put, the game itself runs better (most people would never notice it). To save some effort, in a few weeks I'll be making videos of the game on multiple instances of the game side by side.
Depends what your definition of better is, same deal with the Xbox 360 version, there are less displayed Polys to keep the frame rate higher with weaker processors. Textures are lower resolution too,if you have a good PC, a comparison between the two wouldn't even happen. Max settings on PC with zero slow down is better.
A noble attempt Darka, but just letting you know... he's just not going to listen no matter what.
He's conveniently ignoring most, if not all, of the positive aspects of the PC version. I don't need to include what all you can do on the pc version when I'm stating it runs better on the ps2, because it does (no matter how small the difference seems to you, there's still a difference)
No you stated that the PC version sucked, that was your statement on the first page of this thread.
Now, you're just trying to save face by conveniently ignoring most, if not all, of the positive aspects of the PC version. You're failing miserably though~
Let's see here:
Quetzalcoatl.Giazz said:
Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
game has too many glitches on the pc
No, it doesn't.
Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
you're right you don't think, this game on the pc sucks.
No it doesn't. Sorry, but the PS2 is inferior on so many levels, it's not even funny.
Bahamut.Jetackuu said: My point is there's just some quirks with the pc version that disgust me and I hate playing that way
You're doing it wrong.
Bahamut.Jetackuu said: also I have played windowed since it came out with that feature, but due to the programming it would always crash while windowed for more than a few seconds
No, it doesn't, and again, you're doing it wrong.
Bahamut.Jetackuu said: The 3rd party tos violating one has nothing to do with this conversation, since it's cheating anyway.
^ Keep telling yourself that.
I already explained, in page 2 of this thread, how the "cheating argument" is none applicable really.
Furthermore, you seem to hate windower so much... yet you still use this website, which was made by the same people involved in the development of windower and its plugins. your idea of conveniant aspects are graphics (which is not everyone's focus) and the 3rd party apps (which some people like to not violate the tos agreement) so no.
Bahamut.Jetackuu
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2010-10-31 14:27:15
1. whether or not the game actually runs better on the ps2 than the other versions
2. whether or not you think it's a big enough deal to play on something else
these are the problems at hand here, #2 being subjective I'm dropping that discussion, as to #1, I'll make a comparison via video at a later date (when I have the means and hopefully asap).
eta on it: probably about 2-3 weeks.
would you guys prefer video capture from the sources, or just a video of the monitors, for the latter I'd have to acquire a video camera, for the former I'm not sure how I'll do it, but I can find a way.
Quetzalcoatl.Giazz
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By Quetzalcoatl.Giazz 2010-10-31 14:42:52
You're trying too hard.
It's really not hard at all to see why the game is inferior on the PS2, once you have taken everything into consideration.
The game will continue to be inferior on the PS2 no matter what you say, Jeta~
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By Ramuh.Haseyo 2010-10-31 14:47:02
I've never seen someone go such great lengths to try to defend why the Ps2 is hypothetically better than a PC for FFXI, even though every reason why XI cannot have something is because of Ps2 limitations.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Giazz 2010-10-31 14:50:15
Ramuh.Haseyo said: I've never seen someone go such great lengths to try to defend why the Ps2 is hypothetically better than a PC for FFXI, even though every reason why XI cannot have something is because of Ps2 limitations.
You're thinking logically Haseyo.
Jeta, on the other hand, seems to be incapable of logical thinking.
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By Cerberus.Kvazz 2010-10-31 16:17:28
Quetzalcoatl.Giazz said: Ramuh.Haseyo said: I've never seen someone go such great lengths to try to defend why the Ps2 is hypothetically better than a PC for FFXI, even though every reason why XI cannot have something is because of Ps2 limitations.
You're thinking logically Haseyo.
Jeta, on the other hand, seems to be incapable of logical thinking.
By Belger 2010-10-31 22:30:14
Ramuh.Haseyo said: I've never seen someone go such great lengths to try to defend why the Ps2 is hypothetically better than a PC for FFXI, even though every reason why XI cannot have something is because of Ps2 limitations. My PS2 is better than my PC.
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By Bahamut.Serj 2010-10-31 22:56:19
Cerberus.Kvazz said: Quetzalcoatl.Giazz said: Ramuh.Haseyo said: I've never seen someone go such great lengths to try to defend why the Ps2 is hypothetically better than a PC for FFXI, even though every reason why XI cannot have something is because of Ps2 limitations.
You're thinking logically Haseyo.
Jeta, on the other hand, seems to be incapable of logical thinking.
 Quetzalcoatl.Crystalchan
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By Quetzalcoatl.Crystalchan 2010-10-31 23:40:50
Oh god, Jeta's still arguing against everyone? I dunno, if I had everyone proving me wrong for 15 pages, I think I'd stop and think: "Oh, maybe I'm wrong?"
edit: There Serj D; I just realized posting what I said wouldn't make a difference, just like beating a dead horse ;;
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By Bahamut.Serj 2010-10-31 23:44:04
Quetzalcoatl.Crystalchan said:
I saw that post! Put it back!
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By Quetzalcoatl.Giazz 2010-10-31 23:53:49
I know Crystalchan from somewhere!
Bahamut.Jetackuu
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2010-11-01 00:35:57
Quetzalcoatl.Giazz said: You're trying too hard.
It's really not hard at all to see why the game is inferior on the PS2, once you have taken everything into consideration.
The game will continue to be inferior on the PS2 no matter what you say, Jet
once again this is your opinion.
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2010-11-01 00:36:49
Ramuh.Haseyo said: I've never seen someone go such great lengths to try to defend why the Ps2 is hypothetically better than a PC for FFXI, even though every reason why XI cannot have something is because of Ps2 limitations. don't blame the ps2 for the game designers for making the pc version with glitches that are void on the ps2 version.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Giazz 2010-11-01 00:38:51
Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Quetzalcoatl.Giazz said: You're trying too hard.
It's really not hard at all to see why the game is inferior on the PS2, once you have taken everything into consideration.
The game will continue to be inferior on the PS2 no matter what you say, Jet
once again this is your opinion. 
Bahamut.Vagrua
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By Bahamut.Vagrua 2010-11-01 00:43:03
If what Jetackuu says is true about how certain aspects of gameplay are better on ps2 over other systems, then I would agree with him with ps2 being better. Might be only because I enjoy gameplay over graphics.
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By Bahamut.Serj 2010-11-01 00:44:45
Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Ramuh.Haseyo said: I've never seen someone go such great lengths to try to defend why the Ps2 is hypothetically better than a PC for FFXI, even though every reason why XI cannot have something is because of Ps2 limitations. don't blame the ps2 for the game designers for making the pc version with glitches that are void on the ps2 version.
Wait, what?
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2010-11-01 00:45:22
Bahamut.Vagrua said: If what Jetackuu says is true about how certain aspects of gameplay are better on ps2 over other systems, then I would agree with him with ps2 being better. Might be only because I enjoy gameplay over graphics. thank you sir, and I'll prove the point of the gameplay itself soon enough, that being said I'm going to bed so I can get up early to go to the bank to deposit money.
Going to put a Ps2 with Hardrive/FF11 and all expansions up to Wing of the goddess, with an adapter for sale on Ebay just wondering if anyone is interested before I put it up.
email me at Dennis_macura@yahoo.com with price
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