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By Quetzalcoatl.Volkom 2010-10-31 03:44:50  
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off topic kinda. what graphic engine is FFXIV? is it their own proprietary stuff or is it dreamworld?
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2010-10-31 03:48:50  
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I can understand that PS2 may run FFXI more efficiently since its just focusing on that 1 game. unlike PC, theres a lot of background programs and other applications that people use while running FFXI....but.....i'm not sure how many programs are running in the background of a PS2 when a game is running. however....PC has better processors and more memory =3 so...i think that argument is void?
no it has to do with the coding of the game, otherwise just a faster cpu would make the rest null.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Volkom 2010-10-31 03:50:07  
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Quetzalcoatl.Volkom said:
I can understand that PS2 may run FFXI more efficiently since its just focusing on that 1 game. unlike PC, theres a lot of background programs and other applications that people use while running FFXI....but.....i'm not sure how many programs are running in the background of a PS2 when a game is running. however....PC has better processors and more memory =3 so...i think that argument is void?
no it has to do with the coding of the game, otherwise just a faster cpu would make the rest null.
umm...
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2010-10-31 03:51:19  
Quetzalcoatl.Giazz said:
Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
Quetzalcoatl.Giazz said:
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Quetzalcoatl.Giazz said:
Bahamut.Jetackuu said:

I already said graphics aren't taken into consideration for a reason, you don't *** read.

I already told you that you should take everything into consideration.

I suppose your poor reading skills prevent you from comprehending such a triviality.
I've stated from the beginning that graphics aren't a point on this.

I suppose your poor reading skills prevent you from comprehending such a triviality.

Ignoring one of the PC's main points is just dumb, sorry.

It doesn't help your case.

This game simply sucks on PS2. Nothing you say will change that.
not everyone is a graphics ***, not everyone requires the use of a widower and it's plugins.
your last point is pure opinion.
graphics don't make or break games regardless, so please shut up.

Keep telling yourself that~

graphics don't make or break games, that's widely known. Short of tools who play games only because "herp derp that looks cool man" some people care more about stability and game play.

You know what never mind, you're obviously void of knowing this so there's no point trying to explain it to you.
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2010-10-31 03:52:25  
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Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
Quetzalcoatl.Volkom said:
I can understand that PS2 may run FFXI more efficiently since its just focusing on that 1 game. unlike PC, theres a lot of background programs and other applications that people use while running FFXI....but.....i'm not sure how many programs are running in the background of a PS2 when a game is running. however....PC has better processors and more memory =3 so...i think that argument is void?
no it has to do with the coding of the game, otherwise just a faster cpu would make the rest null.
umm...

why do you think the emotion engine emulation on the ps3 doesn't run ps2 games as well as the ps3's with the emotion engine built in (60gb)? Because they're coded for that hardware.

sure you can get emulation to run great, however it won't always be the same. This stems from the problem that SE didn't recode the game, mostly probably to save on budget costs.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Volkom 2010-10-31 03:55:03  
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Quetzalcoatl.Volkom said:
Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
Quetzalcoatl.Volkom said:
I can understand that PS2 may run FFXI more efficiently since its just focusing on that 1 game. unlike PC, theres a lot of background programs and other applications that people use while running FFXI....but.....i'm not sure how many programs are running in the background of a PS2 when a game is running. however....PC has better processors and more memory =3 so...i think that argument is void?
no it has to do with the coding of the game, otherwise just a faster cpu would make the rest null.
umm...
why do you think the emotion engine emulation on the ps3 doesn't run ps2 games as well as the ps3's with the emotion engine built in (60gb)? Because they're coded for that hardware. sure you can get emulation to run great, however it won't always be the same. This stems from the problem that SE didn't recode the game, mostly probably to save on budget costs.
*sigh* PS2 limitations gimping everyone's parade...
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2010-10-31 03:57:58  
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Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
Quetzalcoatl.Volkom said:
Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
Quetzalcoatl.Volkom said:
I can understand that PS2 may run FFXI more efficiently since its just focusing on that 1 game. unlike PC, theres a lot of background programs and other applications that people use while running FFXI....but.....i'm not sure how many programs are running in the background of a PS2 when a game is running. however....PC has better processors and more memory =3 so...i think that argument is void?
no it has to do with the coding of the game, otherwise just a faster cpu would make the rest null.
umm...
why do you think the emotion engine emulation on the ps3 doesn't run ps2 games as well as the ps3's with the emotion engine built in (60gb)? Because they're coded for that hardware. sure you can get emulation to run great, however it won't always be the same. This stems from the problem that SE didn't recode the game, mostly probably to save on budget costs.
*sigh* PS2 limitations gimping everyone's parade...
well if SE would have taken the time to recode it, it wouldn't be as bad, but then there would have been more compatibility issues (maybe), unfortunately if we are hoping for an upgraded release, they would have to recode the game, and that costs a lot of money.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Sectumsempra 2010-10-31 03:58:22  
You really, really, don't know what you're talking about from a software perspective @.@;
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2010-10-31 03:59:51  
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You really, really, don't know what you're talking about from a software perspective @.@;
They'd have to rewrite the game to work on a new system, instead of just emulating it, um yeah I do.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Volkom 2010-10-31 04:00:19  
Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
Quetzalcoatl.Volkom said:
Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
Quetzalcoatl.Volkom said:
Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
Quetzalcoatl.Volkom said:
I can understand that PS2 may run FFXI more efficiently since its just focusing on that 1 game. unlike PC, theres a lot of background programs and other applications that people use while running FFXI....but.....i'm not sure how many programs are running in the background of a PS2 when a game is running. however....PC has better processors and more memory =3 so...i think that argument is void?
no it has to do with the coding of the game, otherwise just a faster cpu would make the rest null.
umm...
why do you think the emotion engine emulation on the ps3 doesn't run ps2 games as well as the ps3's with the emotion engine built in (60gb)? Because they're coded for that hardware. sure you can get emulation to run great, however it won't always be the same. This stems from the problem that SE didn't recode the game, mostly probably to save on budget costs.
*sigh* PS2 limitations gimping everyone's parade...
well if SE would have taken the time to recode it, it wouldn't be as bad, but then there would have been more compatibility issues (maybe), unfortunately if we are hoping for an upgraded release, they would have to recode the game, and that costs a lot of money.
again...PS2 limitations gimping everyone's parade...
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By Quetzalcoatl.Sectumsempra 2010-10-31 04:01:12  
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Quetzalcoatl.Sectumsempra said:
You really, really, don't know what you're talking about from a software perspective @.@;
They'd have to rewrite the game to work on a new system, instead of just emulating it, um yeah I do.

Think about this.

If they can port it, that means there's working code for it prewritten.

When you have to fix bugs, do you recode the whole system?

Project management is your friend.
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2010-10-31 04:01:56  
Quetzalcoatl.Volkom said:
Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
Quetzalcoatl.Volkom said:
Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
Quetzalcoatl.Volkom said:
Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
Quetzalcoatl.Volkom said:
I can understand that PS2 may run FFXI more efficiently since its just focusing on that 1 game. unlike PC, theres a lot of background programs and other applications that people use while running FFXI....but.....i'm not sure how many programs are running in the background of a PS2 when a game is running. however....PC has better processors and more memory =3 so...i think that argument is void?
no it has to do with the coding of the game, otherwise just a faster cpu would make the rest null.
umm...
why do you think the emotion engine emulation on the ps3 doesn't run ps2 games as well as the ps3's with the emotion engine built in (60gb)? Because they're coded for that hardware. sure you can get emulation to run great, however it won't always be the same. This stems from the problem that SE didn't recode the game, mostly probably to save on budget costs.
*sigh* PS2 limitations gimping everyone's parade...
well if SE would have taken the time to recode it, it wouldn't be as bad, but then there would have been more compatibility issues (maybe), unfortunately if we are hoping for an upgraded release, they would have to recode the game, and that costs a lot of money.
again...PS2 limitations gimping everyone's parade...
sort of, but it's more like the software's limitations gimping everyone's parade. It's not the fault of the PS2 that they based the game on it's engine.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Volkom 2010-10-31 04:03:27  
Quetzalcoatl.Sectumsempra said:
Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
Quetzalcoatl.Sectumsempra said:
You really, really, don't know what you're talking about from a software perspective @.@;
They'd have to rewrite the game to work on a new system, instead of just emulating it, um yeah I do.
Think about this. If they can port it, that means there's working code for it prewritten. When you have to fix bugs, do you recode the whole system? Project management is your friend.
don't forget code comments :D
oh oh and if your fixing bugs, you don't want to recode the whole system~ cuz then you just wasted time/may make the same mistake xD
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2010-10-31 04:03:56  
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Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
Quetzalcoatl.Sectumsempra said:
You really, really, don't know what you're talking about from a software perspective @.@;
They'd have to rewrite the game to work on a new system, instead of just emulating it, um yeah I do.

Think about this.

If they can port it, that means there's working code for it prewritten.

When you have to fix bugs, do you recode the whole system?

Project management is your friend.

bolded: no.

also
no,
last part, indeed.
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2010-10-31 04:05:10  
there's a difference between a full port, and an emulation port, the former is rewritten, the latter a program is emulating the original (usually poorly) (also ffxi's case)
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By Quetzalcoatl.Volkom 2010-10-31 04:08:42  
PS2 (console advantage/disadvantage)
PC (advantage/disadvantage)
http://internetgames.about.com/od/hardware/a/pcvsconsole_2.htm



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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2010-10-31 04:11:52  
Quetzalcoatl.Volkom said:
PS2 (console advantage/disadvantage)
PC (advantage/disadvantage)
http://internetgames.about.com/od/hardware/a/pcvsconsole_2.htm




despite their effort this isn't what this was about.

try taking a different game say KH2 for instance, code an emulator for it to run on the pc, and package it as a pc game, which will it run better for? the ps2, obviously. emulation will always have glitches, now if somebody knows a way to do full on software emulation of hardware without glitches, be my motherfucking guest because nobody else has found a way.
 
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By Cerberus.Kvazz 2010-10-31 07:41:15  
Jeta, you do understand that you bash everybody by saying "that's your opinion"?
Yet you think that the opinion you have is the correct one, even tho NOBODY agrees with you.
Why is YOUR opinion facts, while the others are just ***?
For everybody else, it's the other way around.

JETA = ***.
Everybody else = Correct.
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2010-10-31 13:00:00  
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Jeta, you do understand that you bash everybody by saying "that's your opinion"?
Yet you think that the opinion you have is the correct one, even tho NOBODY agrees with you.
Why is YOUR opinion facts, while the others are just ***?
For everybody else, it's the other way around.

JETA = ***.
Everybody else = Correct.
considering most of you guys are idiots that can't get a name right and have no idea what you're talking about.
The FACT that the game is designed and coded for the ps2 (and runs better on it because of it) is just how it is.
The rest (like whether you believe graphics are more important than a smooth running game) is subjective.
To me, graphics don't make or break games, to a lot of people this is also true.
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2010-10-31 13:02:02  
Asura.Bartimaeus said:
Bahamut.Jetackuu said:

try taking a different game say KH2 for instance, code an emulator for it to run on the pc, and package it as a pc game, which will it run better for? the ps2, obviously.

A very perfect example of a port that works better for console is RE4. Had it for GC, had it for PC. The flaws were numerous on PC. So bad that in the euro version they had to release a gamma patch because the game was too dark. Also textures just went to ***.

Sorry I know it's slightly random, and wasn't taking a side.. just made me think of that example. ;/


Oh and Oblivion. I KNOW I know the ps3 version was riddled with a few HORRIBLE glitches (like the vampire quest one), but I played it for a very extended amount of time on ps3 and pc. You basically have to download a half-gig mod to fix like 1000 bugs in the pc port of it. It's great on pc, but it's def not solid on fresh install. lol
I'm not familiar with those games so I can't really say how they are done, sometimes games are recoded for their ports, sometimes they aren't, just depends on the studio making them and I guess their budget.
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By Cerberus.Kvazz 2010-10-31 13:06:57  
Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
Cerberus.Kvazz said:
Jeta, you do understand that you bash everybody by saying "that's your opinion"?
Yet you think that the opinion you have is the correct one, even tho NOBODY agrees with you.
Why is YOUR opinion facts, while the others are just ***?
For everybody else, it's the other way around.

JETA = ***.
Everybody else = Correct.
considering most of you guys are idiots that can't get a name right and have no idea what you're talking about.
The FACT that the game is designed and coded for the ps2 (and runs better on it because of it) is just how it is.
The rest (like whether you believe graphics are more important than a smooth running game) is subjective.
To me, graphics don't make or break games, to a lot of people this is also true.

How much smoother? like.. some examples.. just tell us.. you must be able to explain some of it if it's really that bad.. :P
You'r just sounding like an idiot.
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2010-10-31 13:08:09  
Cerberus.Kvazz said:
Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
Cerberus.Kvazz said:
Jeta, you do understand that you bash everybody by saying "that's your opinion"?
Yet you think that the opinion you have is the correct one, even tho NOBODY agrees with you.
Why is YOUR opinion facts, while the others are just ***?
For everybody else, it's the other way around.

JETA = ***.
Everybody else = Correct.
considering most of you guys are idiots that can't get a name right and have no idea what you're talking about.
The FACT that the game is designed and coded for the ps2 (and runs better on it because of it) is just how it is.
The rest (like whether you believe graphics are more important than a smooth running game) is subjective.
To me, graphics don't make or break games, to a lot of people this is also true.

How much smoother? like.. some examples.. just tell us.. you must be able to explain some of it if it's really that bad.. :P
You'r just sounding like an idiot.

It just does, and I've already explained I'll make some videos later, just can't yet. $ and delivery time will be a hindrance.
also nice work on making a typo while calling somebody an idiot.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Giazz 2010-10-31 13:11:41  
Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
Quetzalcoatl.Giazz said:

graphics don't make or break games, that's widely known.


Graphics are still part of the experience, that's widely known.

Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
Short of tools who play games only because "herp derp that looks cool man" some people care more about stability and game play.

You know what never mind, you're obviously void of knowing this so there's no point trying to explain it to you.

Short of a tool named Jeta who claims that FFXI is better on PS2, most people care more about stability, game play, significantly less limitations, and significantly better graphics.

You know what never mind, you're obviously void of knowing this so there's no point in trying to explain it to you.

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Cerberus.Kvazz said:
considering most of you guys are idiots that can't get a name right and have no idea what you're talking about.
The FACT that the game is designed and coded for the ps2 (and runs better on it because of it) is just how it is.
The rest (like whether you believe graphics are more important than a smooth running game) is subjective.
To me, graphics don't make or break games, to a lot of people this is also true.

You keep implying that FFXI, on PC, is not a smooth running game. That's not true.

You should stop making stuff up, you're just making a fool of yourself.
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2010-10-31 13:11:53  
I'd like to thank Bartimaeus for being civil. Just saying.
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By Cerberus.Kvazz 2010-10-31 13:12:51  
Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
Cerberus.Kvazz said:
Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
Cerberus.Kvazz said:
Jeta, you do understand that you bash everybody by saying "that's your opinion"?
Yet you think that the opinion you have is the correct one, even tho NOBODY agrees with you.
Why is YOUR opinion facts, while the others are just ***?
For everybody else, it's the other way around.

JETA = ***.
Everybody else = Correct.
considering most of you guys are idiots that can't get a name right and have no idea what you're talking about.
The FACT that the game is designed and coded for the ps2 (and runs better on it because of it) is just how it is.
The rest (like whether you believe graphics are more important than a smooth running game) is subjective.
To me, graphics don't make or break games, to a lot of people this is also true.

How much smoother? like.. some examples.. just tell us.. you must be able to explain some of it if it's really that bad.. :P
You'r just sounding like an idiot.

It just does, and I've already explained I'll make some videos later, just can't yet. $ and delivery time will be a hindrance.
also nice work on making a typo while calling somebody an idiot.

Sorry for having an argument in a language that is'nt my native one :p

"It just does"... nice >_> Good point.
You sound just as clueless as the rest of us.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Giazz 2010-10-31 13:13:52  
Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
I'd like to thank Bartimaeus for being civil. Just saying.

You're such a hypocrite. Just saying.
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2010-10-31 13:14:07  
Quetzalcoatl.Giazz said:
Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
Quetzalcoatl.Giazz said:

graphics don't make or break games, that's widely known.


Graphics are still part of the experience, that's widely known.

Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
Short of tools who play games only because "herp derp that looks cool man" some people care more about stability and game play.

You know what never mind, you're obviously void of knowing this so there's no point trying to explain it to you.

Short of a tool named Jeta who claims that FFXI is better on PS2, most people care more about stability, game play, significantly less limitations, and significantly better graphics.

You know what never mind, you're obviously void of knowing this so there's no point in trying to explain it to you.

Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
Cerberus.Kvazz said:
considering most of you guys are idiots that can't get a name right and have no idea what you're talking about.
The FACT that the game is designed and coded for the ps2 (and runs better on it because of it) is just how it is.
The rest (like whether you believe graphics are more important than a smooth running game) is subjective.
To me, graphics don't make or break games, to a lot of people this is also true.

You keep implying that FFXI, on PC, is not a smooth running game. That's not true.

You should stop making stuff up, you're just making a fool of yourself.
I'm not making stuff up, just because you're too *** stupid to understand it. The game doesn't run as well on the pc as it does on the ps2, I made no claim as to it didn't run decently on the pc. When I say graphics aside the ps2 is better, I do not need to include graphics into the consideration, so seriously shut up.
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2010-10-31 13:16:15  
Cerberus.Kvazz said:
Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
Cerberus.Kvazz said:
Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
Cerberus.Kvazz said:
Jeta, you do understand that you bash everybody by saying "that's your opinion"?
Yet you think that the opinion you have is the correct one, even tho NOBODY agrees with you.
Why is YOUR opinion facts, while the others are just ***?
For everybody else, it's the other way around.

JETA = ***.
Everybody else = Correct.
considering most of you guys are idiots that can't get a name right and have no idea what you're talking about.
The FACT that the game is designed and coded for the ps2 (and runs better on it because of it) is just how it is.
The rest (like whether you believe graphics are more important than a smooth running game) is subjective.
To me, graphics don't make or break games, to a lot of people this is also true.

How much smoother? like.. some examples.. just tell us.. you must be able to explain some of it if it's really that bad.. :P
You'r just sounding like an idiot.

It just does, and I've already explained I'll make some videos later, just can't yet. $ and delivery time will be a hindrance.
also nice work on making a typo while calling somebody an idiot.

Sorry for having an argument in a language that is'nt my native one :p

"It just does"... nice >_> Good point.
You sound just as clueless as the rest of us.
The game is programmed for the ps2 and is emulated on the other systems, therefore it just does run better on the system it was designed for. I've already said this, it's your lack of understanding that prevents you from understanding.
Doesn't matter, it's still ironic.
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2010-10-31 13:16:53  
Quetzalcoatl.Giazz said:
Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
I'd like to thank Bartimaeus for being civil. Just saying.

You're such a hypocrite. Just saying.

Na most of you are just stupid.
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