Denouncing Global Warming Fraud

Sorry to burst your academic bubble, but in the real world it is far more expensive to do "eco-friendly"

Petroleum is the cheapest energy source, how ever you look at it. Far more efficient in energy released per dollar to generate than bio-desiel, ethanol, lol-solar, and erratic wind.

I work in a manufacturing plant and it is far easier to make plastic out of petroleum byproducts than it is from corn (PLA - the noisy stuff that they tried on Sunchip bags)

I hate those sunchip bags.

Maybe you need to edit WIKI?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wine_from_the_United_Kingdom
"Traditionally seen as struggling with an unhelpfully cold climate, the English and Welsh wine industry has been helped by the warmer British summers over recent years and it is speculated that global warming may encourage major growth in the future."

Okay, let's play along with the idea that the theory of Global Climate change is false- which it could be to an extent. Many of those regulations help control other important known environmental impacts. For example, combustion engines not only produce CO2, they also produce nitrogen compounds that are a component of acid rain.


Did you even read the quote? Because it implies that wine is, and has been for a while, grown in the U.K.

Actually there have been shown to be errors with images and the like of the ice caps, showing that we've errored in our calculations of the size of the caps. So this does bring to question the validity of said "images." Never trust anything 100% in science...nothing is ever proven...only support or refuted.

And yes, politics and media have dubbed it global warming erroneously. It is climate change, and by theory it would/will cause extremes in temperatures.

However keep in mind theres evidence to support sudden climate shifts (over decades) in oceanographic records, and the oceans are currently believed to be below mean sea level for the planet.

Nuclear.

Just remember kids, 100 years ago our major environmental concern was what we were going to do about all the horse poop in city streets. Makes you wonder 100 years from now what the human race will be concerned with.

well according to Futurama in about 1k years we'll have to deal with a trash comet :D

This topic has been presented before, about a year ago. Gonna repost my own reply and a couple other replies that I found useful, but feel free to go through that thread as well. (Oh, btw! Despite the amount of green in that thread, this was way before I was a mod, just FYI. XD And holy old, veteran posters like #2, Wooooodum, LittleDarc, and a sane Korpg, Batman.)


Phioness had a few good references:

And finally, some random dude spouting useless ***:

Anyways, if you STILL think it's a "myth," it's not. But, y'know, don't take the word of several scientists who have nothing better to do with their lives than test this theory to give us a better picture on how we as organisms adversely affect the environment we live in. By all means, keep being that frog in the pot of water on a lit stove. (Not that it's biologically true [it isn't], but it illustrates the point clearly.)

Damn beat me too it.

Also newer coal/oil burning requirements are actually started to make them much less cost efficient. And once you get past the high start up cost nuclear always was cheaper. Just too many hippys and sensationalist out there killing it every chance they get

can we just kill all the hippies already? like make them shark food or something, seriously the only real concern with proper nuclear energy is secure storage and meltdowns, which rarely happen (don't if the proper procedures are followed) and all our plants are ancient, new ones would be insanely safer (if you don't go cheap on building) so yeah why don't we take all these unemployed people and make them start pouring concrete.

Make them into bio fuel :). Yeah rarely. Like 3 major accidents history I think? And 2 were completely contained. And you aren't allowed to go cheap on construction. Pucker factor is so high you have to build well. Hell that's where most the start up cost comes from is quality material and construction

Unfortunately the U.S.'s biggest concrete supplier causes massive mercury contamination lol

lol that's just sad. what about the 2nd biggest? :D

biofuel for their volkswagon minibus

I'm cool with that. I mean mercury makes you immortal right? :)

I say we just create a cocoon-esque society in the sky, and let earth be used as our energy/resource factory!

Sweetest of the transition metals!

A few of you are forgetting some things... This turned into sort of a rant, so sorry if I go somewhat off topic. When I say climate change, I mean the part potentially caused by us. -edit- Guess it took me too long to put this post together, there are a bunch of new posts now xD.

1) While petroleum is a cheap energy source now, it won't always be there. It only makes sense to gear our research toward solar power because the sun isn't going anywhere anytime soon. Solar energy might be expensive and crappy now, but as the technology is improved prices will surely fall.

Also, as mentioned, burning petroleum causes more damage than "climate change". It just isn't an effective energy source; the only reason we use it now is because it's easy.

2) Nuclear power isn't as "clean" as some of you make it out to be. Fossil fuels are used in the mining, refining, and transport of uranium, which actually uses substantial energy just to power the nuclear power plants. Once it's at the plant, it creates energy for a while, huzzah! Then it has to be trucked off to Nevada or w/e and stored for...ever, or at least for many, many, many generations to come.

I had a class in college almost two years ago that was about the carbon footprint and such, and we were given a ton of sources that explained why nuclear energy isn't the answer, but for the life of me I can't find them right now. They actually made valid points, and didn't just say "hurr durr Chernobyl," which is all I'm finding right now.

3) I wrote a paper in college which was explaining where I want the world to go as far as transportation technology. I wanted an eco friendly alternative to burning gas, which as we know is pretty harmful. At first I researched hydrogen as fuel... I remember that idea being all the rage for a while, and I found out why that died down; it takes more energy to separate hydrogen than the energy you get from using it as fuel (LOL).

In the end I resorted to electric cars (Tesla Motors as an example) being the best for our environment, although just plugging it into an outlet doesn't change anything; the emissions would just shift from coming out of the car to coming out of more power plants. Long story short, personal solar car charging stations would save a LOT of energy, and it would be very clean.

The only issue right now is the price, but as the tech gets better, the price will fall. Then people can still enjoy their fast/efficient cars without having to worry about the cost of gas. That right there solves a lot of our emissions problems, imo, which contributes to ozone depletion and "climate change," if that indeed is something true.

As a last note, it's better to do something about nothing, than do nothing about something. If there is NOT "climate change" and we don't do anything about it, then we're good. If there is NOT "climate change" and we do something, then at the very least we're improving our technology. If there IS "climate change" and we do nothing, we're ***. If there IS "climate change" and we do something, then we're good to go, and now we're potentially more technologically advanced.

Guess I have spell it out for you, since you aren't catching my drift. Way back, many years ago, it was easy to grow wine because it was warmer. Easy enough that it was exported. Now, it is very hard because of cold climate. Understand?

As for the other posts about the need to stop using petroleum, sure, I agree. It is too useful as an industrial material to just burn it. BUT, we've got to get other energy sources vastly more efficient to make them as cheap as petroleum. Cold Fusion, anyone? And I like the Bio-diesel from Hippies idea!

Yeah, I know we can't move from petroleum right this second, but I can see it within the next 10 years xD.

I'm doing my part for global warming ... I'm doing my best to get my carbon footprint to match Al Gore's. Needless to say, I'm well short of my goal.

If I can find the stuff we read about in school, I'll post it :<

Global warming is the ***.. who the hell likes snow anyways :D

ITT:

Glad to see someone else has the right idea.

Fusion is definitely they way to go.

Okay, I'll *** spell it out to you- there are now more vineyards (and farther north) in Britain now than there were 1000 years ago.

Source.