Will PLD Be Useful Again At Lvl 99?

I actually haven't played in like month. Although that's more due to being really busy with college...

to be fair, xi has always put 6-8 jobs at the forefront and the rest on the back burner

that said

"they've always done it" is no excuse for them to keep doing it

True, I just found it's more exaggerated now due to such powerful WS' and stuff coming out.

I mean apparently BRD is useless in Abyssea now.

i think it's hard to make marches useless

obviously with refresh atmas though

their use has diminished a bit

not that i'm an expert, with college and part time job

i haven't done anything but botfish for months

Now that you don't rly have to *** w/ ballads, just put up marches and DD/nin. With razed ruin, you can really put out some *** nice Evisceration numbers. Just make sure you bring DD gear and don't try to DD in your spell casting gear.

You won't be the top DD in the world, but you'll be able to outdo Scythe drks, non fudo having sams, etc. if you go in w/ a really nice set up.

My troll post earlier aside, which wasn't an attempt to offer any kind of real suggestion or be of any use other than lulz to me, I'm actually curious and looking forward to the type of fix SE implements for PLD. Nobody was gullible enough or cared enough to respond to my trollery so /killjoy for me ><

As has been said numerous times, the damage cap on Atonement needs a raise.

More hate tools would be nice but that's only a bandaid fix.

I think if Reprisal proc was significantly increased (to like 75%) and returned the amount of damage mitigated (Shield Counter!!!!!!!!!!), that'd be a good start.

As with above, an enmity bonus granted for successful shield blocks would be nice.

A JA upgrade to Cover maybe, where hits and evasions taken/performed by the PLD were counted as evasions/hits on the person being covered, thus lowering their enmity sounds like the roundabout way SE would try to control hate.

Damage dealt with Shield Bash needs to be increased - dramatically. To the order of like 2k damage. And for irony's sake, let's make VIT the dmg mod on Shield Bash.

PLD needs to get a higher hate cap than other jobs.

So a recap of why PLD can't be played the way it was intended:

-Other jobs can mitigate most damage as well as PLD
-DD deal damage that hate tools cannot compensate for
-PLD can't output any kind of damage
-PLD relies on CE in a world of hate resets and DD riding the VE cap
-When shadows go down, PLD doesn't take much less damage than other jobs
-PLD enmity generation takes too long and is easily eroded

Keep in mind that this is all a result of NIN lovers saying that PLDs weighed as much as a duck and therefor must be witches. SE listened and gave them hacks to the universe.

The NIN vs PLD saga is still very much alive and kicking. PLD will make a triumphant return dual wielding grails and there will be great justice.

Again, Pld can have higher hate than DDs all the want, but if DD tanks can still keep hate off the people they need to keep hate off of, then PLD being able to get more hate than a DD doesn't mean a damn thing.

It would have to come to the point where a DD can't hold hate and a PLD can.

My dear friend Vysey of Bismarck just 6 manned Ixion. He straight tank him for an hour. This proves PLD IS still useful ^.^
oh FYI they did take down the Ixion.

not sure if troll.................

You could straight tank Ixion on DD jobs and not take an hour to kill it (this was at 75, lol)

I would hope FFS that an 85 PLD with cure/status support could solo DD Ixion down in less than an hour...

The biggest issue is there is no downside for DD or even mage jobs to take hate. What you would logically think of as stupid play is actually smart play. If they ever want to make PLD matter again, then there should be a real downside to a DD or a mage taking hate. If they created NMs that would 1-2 shot any mage, 3-4 shot any DD and ignore Perfect Defense, and could only be handled with a real, dedicated tank, then PLD would matter again. As it is, they might as well delete the job from the game.

And the idea of a BRD destroying a DRK or non-Fudo SAM with RR atma and Evisceration WS is just terrible. Not that I'm not saying it isn't true, but that is wretched balance. RR needs to be nerfed or those jobs boosted. I've seen WHM WS numbers that destroy the numbers from solidly equipped SAMs, not gimps. That's pathetic.

could give pld a provoke like ability with same timers, that auto puts them at capped hate?

Killed Ixion in 16 minutes with just 12 DD and support at 75 >.>

Just 12 DD?
Also, I think people overestimate BRD melee too much. Razed Ruins Evis is nice, but DRK has actually damaging JAs and doesn't have to stop to cast spells (marches).
Let's not forget Fell Cleave.
inb4 someone says you need Retaliation to be any good.

Terrestrialrage and Cubone were like 4 ppl

I didn't think "just" and "12" fit in the same sentence >_> also... 4 box? jesus christ lol. that's some mad skills.

personaly all jobs have their use's and if theres space id just take em along to the event regardless.

extra manpower never hurts

Dont need an apostrope there. Funny both you and Spicy are posting atm, I just read a few pages of an old thread bout pup doing 1700 dmg ws's lol, I posted under Basilo then but I didnt read it at the time. It escalated quite far ... lol

Not really, they just ran a bot for them.

Hate issues is the least of the jobs worries. Damage recieving and damage out put is what would fix pld. The later fixing the hate issues.


Maybe what they could do would be to give PLD a JA that converts any damage it takes and increases its damage out put as time goes on. Tweak it a bit so it doesnt become broken.

It would pretty much have to be broken to justify using PLD, that's the problem.

Decrease the tanking capabilities of other jobs, add mobs or NM's that require a tank.

Or make all jobs equal/the same, which also would make no sense.

Bukhis is the closest definition of that, and even then >_> people WAR/NIN or NIN/WAR it up.

MNK

I'd say NIN/WAR with af3+2 feet would be the safest.

anyways, even if you hate on PLD, it still has a couple of uses:
Holding Vileberry (seriously..... bugger hits melee for 300+ per hit and has insane amounts of TA) and Sobek in case DDs get obliverated by death.

Lulz, try 2/3 rdm/nin - done in 20 min.

I was thinking of trying out pld/whm and replacing whms!