Will PLD Be Useful Again At Lvl 99?

MM is just like -10 enm so it would'nt make a very big difference <_>
Sure you just did'nt do alot less dmg because of a weak atma compared to what you usually use? lol

But why should anyone be forced to use an Atma that's nearly useless for their job just to help the PLD keep hate. There's a lot of things they could give to PLD that would give them a lot better enmity management.

- PLD shoulda got something like collab/accomp maybe with a lower recast.
- Their own provoke.
- Flash II.
- 5-10% higher enmity cap than other jobs.
- Atonement damage cap raised to 1250-1500.
- Any monster resistence to Atonement removed.
- Maybe a JA that reduces enmity fade rate over time or from taking damage.

The reason PLD is "useless" compared to DD tanking is the fact that DD jobs cap hate faster than PLD, by dealing alot more dmg.
Unless PLD could fulltime sentinel for +100 enm or some ***, this is allways gonna be the "problem".
If you have'nt allready, read up on how enmity works and you'll understand why DD tanks works so much better <_>

Well it's not just that, but also dealing dmg while tanking. Effectively filling to roles at once.

PLD dd is ***, so it cannot effectively do the same.

This too.

Again I wasn't pumping out damage it just kept me from pulling unnecessary hate. There is no sense is showing what kind of damage you you can pump out if you kill the nm without procing all the !!. Its about finesse and not look at me and my huge dd penis.

Okay, so you've established that PLD can hold hate while DDs prod red !!. Awesome, now if DDs only use their crappy elemental WS on everything PLD is fixed!

Look theres many ways to play this game.

Here is how we farm nm's. I let my 2 nin's hold the nm while everyone cycles through w/e they were assigned. Once we proc w/e we need the dd's and blms go nuts and finish the *** off. Its quick and easy since I have 12-18 people that will go into abyssea together. It may be stupid or w/e for us to go in with so many, but its really a group of friends that have been playing together for a long time and like doing things together.

Also...I recall PLD is useful for getting coins in WoE ~.o

PLD will allways have some uses ofc!
But yeah, if you have 12-18 people, you can spare a person to come PLD I guess..
When you usually have 6-10 people, a PLD is a total waste.

The only reason to use pld nowadays is
1) your group is gimp and your dd-tanks are too lazy to do their cruor-buff missions.
2) your group taru dd-tanks dont equip/atma properly to tank nms
3) youre stuck in 2007 and think you need a pld to tank ***...

EVERY nm can be tanked with a DD, and or a NIN(to hold wihle proccing stuff etc) For "holding" eva nin is better 99% of the time since the mob wont get any tp so it doesnt cockblock your !!.

This thread TLDR but i remember some guy in the beginning saying dd cant tank kutharei etc, i lol'd.

Why is NIN separate from a DD? NIN is a good DD now~

I'm really sincerly not trying to step on any toes, but why are u using 12-18 people for 1 NM? I get your going in with your friends and all, but cmon make better use of your time.

MNK WAR NIN RDM BRD WHM .. thats it. your set for red!! You doing yourself and your friends a greater service by spreading out your resources.

On the PLD issues, its not really about enimity or tanking in the traditional sense. Give any job 3k HP and a whm robot that can cure v and your set, and that what Abyssea for better or ill gives u. Only way I see of letting pld back into the game is by giving it some awsome WS that can fell cleave or put out 2-3k dmg. 1k doesn't even cut it anymore. Hell, maybe a PLD can do a cataclysm staff build and at least provdie an option to farm KI's

has anybody seen a pld with Almace yet? there is one on my server who is JP but she's working on her 85 version... maybe thats enough DD power to get pld back in good graces... /shrug

Not really, because while any non-staff/club Empyrean beats most non-Empyrean setups you're then comparing it to other Empyreans. For example, Kannagi is on the same path as Almace and a Kannagi NIN is miles ahead of an Almace PLD.

Sure, but here's the thing: some of those ways are more effective than others. I don't really care if you use less effective setups, but a turd's a turd no matter how you polish it and there's no point in arguing that.

So are a variety of other jobs, along with tanking ***with your face.

How do you know Kannagi is miles ahead of Almace?
You just said you hadn't seen an Almace.

No I didn't.

Also, math is hard.

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RIP Men trying to play a heroic role in a video game and finding mithra wives in the process aka. Paladin :( Mbody will always look cool

should of bought me one "-"

so included in the math is blade:Hi vs Chant dmg?
what are the other variables you accounted for?
Please entertain this layman's need to understand how you established Kannagi > Almace.

everything looks good.. butter face >__>

HAHAHA you got Sattva ring.

on topic i doubt pld will be a tanking job anymore but i do hope the SE proves me wrong.(increase enmity cap for pld? another voke so you dont need to be /war?)

For what I said above we like doing ***together still. Also with that many I can have a few people camp nm's like bat, peiste, and frog in mis coast for instance. We like it and i'm happy you guys get upset that we do it that way :p

Yeah I "got" Sattva ring. Also "got" rajas ring.

DoT (Kannagi wins), WS frequency (Kannagi wins), WS damage (don't have CDC mods but have seen no reason to believe it outstrips Hi by any significant margin, if at all), tanking considerations (NIN remains /WAR if shadows are needed, also needs to cast shadows less frequently resulting in greater uptime), atmas (NIN benefits more from Gnarled Horn than PLD because Hi is AGI modded and it can also make use of the eva from AGI for even more uptime when tanking, but CDC is DEX modded so Razed Ruins has additional benefit for PLD), TP & WS gear considerations (along with buffs, especially the potential presence of Stalwart's Drink).

God Night post some math you clearly wrong moron you. My Sattva Ring yearns for it.

Misa Campos, look her up, def not a butter face :p Also PLD will never compete with 80% counter rate, better DPS, 1000more hp, 2-5kWS and KICK ATTACKS ! MNK is too good, forget about NIN :)

aight