Will PLD Be Useful Again At Lvl 99?

I'm a decent PLD, but I've noticed that in Abyssea, they made it harder to tank, as Atonement's damage is cut in half on the NM's for some mysterious reason (Yay for Sanguine Blade spam?!), as well as the majority of the good NM's have a/multiple hate resetting/decreasing move which makes tanking a pain in the arse, especially when they like to spam said move.

What I would like to see is a new Job Ability (or even a Trait) like Yonin + Innin, for PLD's. For example, the new ability/trait would give some +ACC, +Enmity, and -PDT% when facing the monster.

PLD's also should have gotten Fencer by default, without the need to use equipment for it.

And they really have to change the way that Enspell damage produces no hate (At least I think it produces no hate) so that Enlight's damage would help by tricking the monster into thinking the Player swung and hit it twice instead of once (I know, I know, sorry Holy/Darkling Bolt build RNG's! D:).

Wishful thinking q_q

Amazing people make Amazing tanks, regardless of the job.

PLD's ability to spam Cure IV on itself is what makes it an amazing tank, unlimited hate w/o even drawing your weapon, and thus not subject to something like Monster-resists. How is that not amazing for tanking?

How many fights can you name were you need all that you listed though?

My PLD still gets penetly of work in my LS alot of it due to the way we tend to do alot of things. We rarely do things in large numbers and the view of my LS leaders tend to be that PLD offers a bit of a safety net in certain fights when things don't always go our way. But at the same time, the increase damage and capabilities of the various DDers is causing those jobs to hit the Enmity cap far faster then they ever did before and with no change to this cap it makes it difficult but not impossible either.

It's not a wonderful situation, but it's also opened up others things by allowing my other jobs to work in a number of situations where I would have always been PLD otherwise. Mixed feelings on the issue to say the least.

The only one that comes to mind is Braireus. I'm not sure if they changed the ST20-SuperCurse-Zombie (Whatever you call it) but we fought second week of Abyssea, and nothing removed it, so having PLD and Ranged Damage was almost a necessity. That was also before a few of the Merit Abyssites for more HP... All I can say, is the circumstances definitely existed at one point, if not anymore.

Wasn't it just not long ago I heard all the MNK's QQ that they never get anything new and SE hates/forgot about them? Agreed its an awesome tank...but its 2nd to DNC in my book. We've had an impossible to gauge dnc in our ls pre-80-85 cap days. He thought outside the box on playing the job and amazed us all. At 85 he's redonkulous.

If a DNC is outtanking your MNKs, your MNKs suck.

EDIT: Sedna etc not withstanding

Someone show me the link sayin Se will put lvl cap at 99 !

cause so far i only saw Se sayin december will be third raise, and most LOGICAL would be 90...

SHOW ME WHY 99 !!!

p.s: stop your *** about pld, its like the XX thread sayin this job is dead...
Lets talk about how PUP is useless if you want...

WHO CARE SRLY ???

http://www.playonline.com/ff11us/event/vanafes2010/index.html

hmm ok
damn took long to got it... ;x

They did announce the cap will eventually be 99. They made it assumed that the cap will be 99 by the end of the year but, with how it's going it seems like there are going to be multiple cap increases and they just introduced "this years" updates previews and there may be more later on, but, once again it's SE. They could go as assumed and go directly to 99 OR they could just stay where they are and increase it to 90 and have future increases to 99 after DEC.

Learn your tanking methods before you talk etc etc.

No u.

While Abyssea increases Waltz numbers via Cruor buffs (and removes the need for an hp down set in your cheat~), your increased level reduces the enmity gained per point of HP cured. Further, those same buffs (especially Atma, which enhance a DD's enmity gain far more than a DNC's) benefit the MNK too. Given that MNK's ability to generate enmity has improved more than DNC's with the advent of Abyssea (both improved in DD capability, but Waltz potency didn't improve by the same margin)... this should really be a no-brainer.

EDIT: Before anybody points out flaws in that post relevant to current mechanics, look at the post date, then reread what I said in this post. I probably covered it. If I didn't, I'll be happy to address it.

I hope so. I feel that PLD is still a great tanking job, but i do not feel it is actually used as it were originally intended (with regards to end-game, not EXP) as a "meat shield." Im not saying there is anything wrong with how ppl expect ppl to play pld, or how /nin doesnt work well, but i dont feel it was intended to be used in that way. I really hope PLD is able to keep hate @ 99 because I feel that all DD's and even healer classes, WHM in particular with higher tier cure spells, that generate more emnity than ever before. Personally, I think PLD should get provoke without the need of /war, or to a lesser degree /dnc. Im not saying keeping hate is a huge problem for DD's and PLDs who understand hate management, Im just saying it's becoming more difficult with as much as DD jobs are getting buffed to put out bigger ZOMGWSnumbers.

i hope that mindless ramble made some sense to someone -.-;

I don't see exactly how HP+ defeats the purpose of an HP down set, in the case where your HP is capped and shadows are up.

I can't give exact numbers from testing etc, but how would attacks from MNK at max haste, martial arts etc etc trump attacking with DWIV and 15% added Dual Wield plus Capped haste, plus cure cheats?

You can "cancel" the buff as a free HP down method. It'll restore the buff immediately, but it lowers your HP.

Higher base damage, higher attack, counters, Kick Attacks, better and more frequent WS, less time locked up in JA delay, etc.

edit: whoosh, didn't see DNC.

they just need to adjust the hate cap for certain jobs!

Well that's interresting. Thanks for the insight

FFXI ever needed a PLD tank to begin with?

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