Will PLD Be Useful Again At Lvl 99?

He answered the question then told me to go to the site. I felt no need to do so because my question was already answered.

So.. Discussion over. What is your question now exactly?

Proper order of quotes, ie I did direct you to the site first off. See bolded in my first response.

Look I did learn a few things from this discussion. I just didn't feel that it was needed for me to re go over the emnity testing information. since your so insistant of it I'll go over it again.

People have different opinions of things in this game even though 80% if not more of the game machics have been figured out. But there are a few gray areas of stuff we still do not know for sure. The reason I asked those questions was because I was hoping for research that showed where there was testing for the rate of monster tp gain (or some proven fact that showed that lessing tp gain by changing weapons didn't make a big enough difference). In the end I never got that information but I still learned a little about pld but wanted to stop because I didn't plan to level that job.. I didn't mean to come off as rude about it.

I and for the record night sometimes people talk about stuff they don't know about because they think they know about it. its not like bigpun is a pld fresh off the block he has tanked... well just about everything in this game but most of the new content (abyssea) with little to no problems. so he disaggred with you on a few points but that doesn't mean there has to be so much hate thrown around... I mean damn. He was just saying his point his point of view.

Over all I came in this disscusion for information and now that im tierd Im going to bed. No hard feeling to anyone here but there's no need to troll whever someone doesn't know this or that.

in other words: thx for the info, good night and cut the trolling down would ya?

Come guys lets get along !!!

I still don't think you're using that word properly.

Troll

If night is a troll, idk wtf this world is coming too.

99.9% of the time Night knows wtf he is talking about.

If you really wanted that information, the smart thing to do would have been to ask directly. The information is readily available on the wiki. It's easy enough to extrapolate from that readily available information.

You didn't come off as rude (mostly), you came off as deliberately ignorant. If anything, that's worse.

Sure, but there's a point where it should be painfully obvious that you don't know enough to actually contribute on certain points.

You'll have to explain to me why this means I should respect his views. He lacks a basic understanding of basic game mechanics. Just shows how easy FFXI really is. Also, I could spell better than that when I was six.

Several things to note here. One, he started off on a bad foot by posting with terrible spelling and grammar, to the point where it hurts my eyes to read. "u", "ur", "n00b", etc is not conducive to easy reading. It's annoying. Two, he bashed other PLDs when a simple glance at his gear made it pretty obvious that he's nothing special himself. Three, he then tried to defend himself using really, really bad logic.

ITT: things that make me see red. He couldn't have made a worse start than those first three posts, and he never recovered. Your (bad) whiteknighting didn't help.

I'm perfectly reasonable for the most part, but I'll let you figure that out on your own.

I feel dumber now for having read this thread.

Congratulations OP, another successful "is pld dead" thread. This is like what the 20th thread where everyone argues whether a pld is still needed. At least there is a bit of a twist, this time its will a pld be good. Still though, good job. You got them up to 11 pages last I checked.


Can we put this crap to rest and just refer people with these questions to the many other threads about is a job dead or just assume its trolling.

When BLU is able to set Shield Mastery job trait, PLD will officially be dead. Already, BLU can cap hate(CE and VE) tons faster than PLD on.. well, everything. They have their own, self-sufficient buffs for a lowman. Can unengaged or engaged tank if needed. Access to more Fast Cast(though the new PLD helm may close the gap a little, and combined with the new ammo, ACP body, and Homam legs may be equal) with Teal set, Locquacious, and Fast Cast trait set.

Just imagine how sexy this would be on BLU with the high block rate of Genbu's Shield when trying to finish Ichi:

Night is this forum's biggest troll. I thought this was established ages ago?!

lol i haven't been able to read the last 8 pages, BUT i don't think the job is dead. It's still my favorite job. The intent of the post was to discuss people's ideas of mixing and matching new subs with the updates, and gear becoming available. I enjoyed reading someone post of PLD/SAM. i understand it's not ideal (yet) but if were a PLD were able to stack enough -%PDT and spam atonement even faster along side third eye. That way perhaps your WAR's and SAM's could go back to doing what they do best "zomg over 9000!" It's interesting to think about.


If you didn't want to discus a job you enjoy playing, there are other options, other links you may read about and discuss or put valid point/facts into.

People like you made this a Q_Q thread, but it looks like it's done.

This whole Blu tanking concept seems like utter fail. If its a mob you can melee then the ideal tank would be a DD. If its a mob you can't melee then it would be blu I suppose. You guys act like its the hands down best for everything.

One of the issues i see with a BLU tank would be the fact that MOST people don't understand the job or play it well enough to have it as a competent tank. If you have a steady LS and intelligent BLU's, (preferably with spell-cast or something similar) Then by all means, use a BLU tank. I have no problem with that.


But for a surplus of job's, and like stated before, "most room for error" PLD's are always ready to go for anything.

Good players can play any job well. There aren't "good plds" and "good blms", people who give a ***can play any job very well. Having said that blu is just not the optimal tanking job for 99% of the situations out there. The fact that a melee can do worlds more damage while holding hate makes them a superior tank.

Would you agree that a tank, regardless, PLD/BLU/DRK/SAM whatever, is limited by good support?

*Edit*
Nin* hehe forgot to put that job in there.

For lowman stuff, why wouldn't it be best? I don't see MNK, SAM, or DRK able to buff themselves or cure themselves. The fact that it can tank without relying heavily on other jobs makes it comparable to RDM/NIN. Utter fail? lol

DD can't reach low recast utsu timers without the help of at least a haster or brd. BLU has access to a reliable flash, some reliable stun spells, fast cast, self-haste, self-refresh, self-curing, debuffs like 20-25% slow, paralyze, silence, and for weaker stuff, some crazy powerful damage spells.

Really, the only time BLU gets annoying is when it can't use all its tricks due to monsters being around that could get hit by some of the AoE spells. Fafhogg comes to mind, but it's not like you can't work around it by setting single target spells instead.

What do you low man that you need to keep hate on? You can duo most mobs these days.

edit: I'm not trolling I just really do not see a use for it outside of one or two mobs.

I dunno about you, but my RDM blocks a lot with Genbu's shield. I have PLD too, but I swear my RDM procs more on shield blocks than my PLD ever will. RDM has considerably lower shield skill than PLD so it doesn't make much sense(other than the fact that Genbu's shield acts like a Type 1 and I mostly use Koenig Shield for PLD). Even with 0 shield skill, I wouldn't discount the proc rate, especially if it's the difference between getting ichi up and dying.

i luv kimble's avatar!!!!!!!!

Not Q_Q ing. I am only stating that, regardless of what the original intent of this thread was, it is now a competition between people who thing pld is good and people who thing there are better jobs. Well not is it more of which job is better tanking, which is situational at best.

I am just tired of seeing this same discussion over and over, and its not just pld. Other jobs get this discussion too, like the whm over rdm and sch.

Personally, I think nin/whm will be better than pld in places that do not have much magic or other aoe damage. They can do more damage than pld and will have cure 4 and flash with DS cure 4 for quick boost in hate. With all the refresh that is out there now, mp wouldn't be a problem.

@ Matt,
Good point. That's what I was looking for regarding your opinion about, well in your case it's ninja. At 75 NIN/WHM had no point in a party. With a cure IV and I heard you can get solo refresh up to 5mp/tic, that's pretty impressive. That being said, I don't see it being my firs option as a tank only because I am not sure if it could cap hate faster then some other jobs but but still a possibility.


All that being said, please try and keep the thread more on topic. Do you have any ideas about what you may see PLD doing at 99?

I was kidding about the nin btw...

You started this thing off with "Will pld be useful again". Therefore pld is dead based on that and the OP. No job looses its usefulness, only other jobs change to make the game more flexible.

No one can tell what will happen at 99, but if the trend continues, plds will get skillchain bonus and magic burst bonus.

Poor Paladin's need their own JA method of building hate, similar to Provoke possibly. That's what I'd like to see them get by lvl. 99.

I don't really think it's fair to compare your type 1 shield block rate to your type 3 shield block rate, if your pld/nin and you don't have relic shield you should be using a buckler, try compareing "Sipar" to your "Genbu's shield", and come back and talk about how much better your rdm blocks......Also I noticed you were saying you wish blu has shield mastery job trait... do you know what that trait does? It would be beyond pointless on a blu.

This. Anything a BLU can straight tank you'd have a RDM or WHM anyways, and a MNK could then do it much better.

People seriously underestimate MNK and I don't get why. This is coming from someone with a stubborn, expert BLU in my LS that would insist on trying to tank anything, and more often than not he can. But MNK just does it better.

But I guess I have the advantage of having a Spharai MNK in my LS, as well as a BRD *** just used for marches. That alone can trio most if not everything.

Because BLU never casts spells.

you have to block something for it to be useful.... implying that you will block something just b/c your using a type1 shield, when said job has zero skill is somewhat foolish, and as the lvl of the mobs go higher, and higher with the new cap's/areas it does little to help this arugument.