If FFXIV Fails... What Does That Mean For FFXI?

It's going to be amusing to watch the over-infatuated beta players flip their ***when the game doesn't completely fulfill their impossibly high standards.

What a great reply. Exactly the case we see now.

Elite players don't want to help people catch up or get the gear that they deem 'suitable'. And I don't blame you for a second as time is an asset more and more for the 20-35 gaming group. So guys like myself who have the time and effort to do things to enjoy the game end up shouting in Jueno for 45 minutes then logging off.

Imagine trying to explain to someone totally new to the game all the different currencies/point systems in this game?!?!

Gil
Cruor
Conquest points
Imperial standing
Voidstones
Traverser stones
Guild points
Allied notes
Bayld
Plasma
Umbrage Plans
T. Whitshell
Alexandrite
O. Bronze
Byne Bills

...I'm sure I'm missing some.

Luckily I'm not an elite player. I'm helpful both in real life and in-game. It's probably how I was raised and where I went to school. People need help whether it's in a game or outside in the real world.

I always stand by this: "If no one else helps them, then who will?"

Time may be a luxury for some people, and a lot of high level players would rather help their LS members than strangers in a game, but devoting a small amount of your time if you aren't doing anything else important can mean a lot to a new player or returning player. And, to me, it also gives me something to do.

A lot of the people on my Friends List are people I've helped in the past at one time or another since 2005. And, when they're free themselves, they'll offer to help me as well.

FFXI is one of the very few or the only MMO I can think of with a non-traditional currency system. Majority of the MMOs out there follow the Everquest or WoW or [insert D&D-based game] form of currency of Gold, Silver, and Copper.

I like that FFXI is unique in that aspect as it separates itself from the myriad of WoW/D&D-based clones out there. However, it's like trying to memorize the D&D ruleset from the first page onward for each of the types of currency FFXI contains. That can confuse a lot of players in the game. I remember having to explain Cruor to a returning player who quit before Abyssea came out. The poor fellow looked like I was teaching him French.

In all honesty, MMOs in general are a dying bread.

I played FFXI for years and it had its ups and downs. Its nice to meet people and have something to do. But an MMO will never compare to offline games like Bioshock, Last of Us, Halo, etc.

Can't comment for Last of Us and with Halo it's a love hate thing but the original Bioshock is arguably one of the worst games I've ever played. But hey was a gift from steam so can't complain lol

Just want to add that I know people are proper hating the Abyssea and Voidwatch era, but truth be told, I've never seen the community so together during this period than any other.

I truly do not understand all these hate about abyssea at all. If that said content is so atrociously bad, why you cannot get rid of people from doing it no matter how hard SE tried to entice people with alternatives such as:

- GoV pages to get to 99, which is a better deal for hardcore who pride skill vs bashing worm non stop. You actually get to skill ups and play your job correctly with a proper 6 person party. Yet no one is touching any of these high level mobs, only select few who bother to skill ups.
- Relic AF2+3, let's face it most of the old schooler would already have at least the basic set or the +2 version. After all they were the ones who consumed old school dyna like rabid. Yet you only see small numbers of people get them, most would rather get AF3+2 done.
- Relic Weapon for all with Dyna Made Easy as 1,2,3. People still do empyrean weapon because it is faster to get it done with 4 people group.

Let's face it - we won't even be here at this stage without Abyssea. It is hands down the best content that ever grace this game. It lets you progress little by little and gives everyone hope that their time is not wasted. And it is a lot of fun having God mode abilities :)

Abyssea was unavoidable because of AF3+2 and Empyrean weapons. Of course people were doing it. It was a means to an end. Doesn't mean everyone enjoyed it.

Also, AF2+2 and Relic weapons aren't alternatives to AF3+2 and Empyreans.

Ya got a pretty big VW gap there, abyssea's been dead for so long and the content you're referring to still doesn't even exist.

Anyone got a link to this thread?

Abyssea wasn't even close to dead when I quit. Legion hadn't been introduced yet, and Voidwatch was still borderline impossible, the whole proc'ing differences hadn't even been worked out entirely.

New Dynamis was the big thing when I quit, though it had been changed for a while already, people were just unlocking the (Solo/Botfarm) potential of it.


As for the thread to this new crap, it's floating around here somewhere, it's a purple title so it shouldn't be hard to find.

OF thread: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/threads/34679-Item-Levels

How are Relic Armor +2 not a great alternative to AF3+2 please do enlighten me, some of those gears have very very nice stats, and if you do the dynamis trial, it gives you even better stats. Relic weapons not a good alternative??? I think a lot would disagree lol. Aegis shield is still one of the best. I did not add voidwatch gears to the list but those gears are also a great alternatives to abyssea gears but the low drop rate turn people off big time. You can get AF3+2 faster than you get Voidwatch gears (unless you are super lucky).

Honestly at the end of the day, people want to do less work for more, they rather take the easiest short cut if you give them choices. Things that can be low man will triumph the 18 people style. Sadly I have no clue why meeble burrow did not gain popularity, it's a fun event to do and everyone get something out of it.

They aren't alternatives because they don't replace ***. You don't make a Redemption because Apocalypse is too hard ... you make an Apocalypse because Redemption is garbage. Likewise for many others. For every slot/time, there was a best piece. Skipping af2+2 for abyssea gear is equally stupid.. you need both.

Most people beat meebles in 2 weeks then let it go. The drops are crappy besides a couple things, and it didn't take long to get those. The only meebles that weren't trioable with 100% success rate was that shitty maze one and the synced kill leeches.

We get it. You like easy content. Ok. Saying it 40 more times doesn't introduce anything new to the conversation.

Abyssea STILL isn't outdated, fyi. Nearly every job has pieces they need from there still.

i see another cutting/merge of half the ffxi servers in the next year

fourth time's the charm!

Most servers are empty, leviathan, lakshmi, valefor and many others have extreme low population, it is hard to do events that take large quantity of players like delve, voidwatch .ect

You got it backward... I like OPTIONS!! That is a huge difference! Options to log and play ASAP and not have to wait for shouts or spending 45 mnts to 60 mnts making anything. Or wait around with your LFG flag for invite at worm camp for 30 mnts. Even crafting here is such a chore.

If the beta holds and the launch is going to be even better, waiting for ***to do will be a thing of the past in FF14. WoW did this right, there is ALWAYS something to do there ASAP the minute you log. It is now 2013, not the 90s or 2002. People want instant log and play.

Not sure which ffiv thread to put this in, so it's going here.

Someone recommended the warcry.com review of ffxiv and the articles were very interesting.

Part 1
Part 2

There will be a part 3 but it's not out yet.

I read the reviews, but i stoped when i noticed the site promotes gw2 that's enough for me to stop reading.

If you dont mind me asking, what exactly is wrong with gw2?

nope, i like the stories too but once played.. the only thing you can do is deck out your char pretty much yea.

I think people should stop asking if 14 would fail. I played 14-1 when it was out and i enjoyed it every bit. I think i am actually missing 1.0.... and that should be enough for at least to SQEX to maintain ff14... There are a shitload of people out there who think just the same. I accomplished alot of things, but i wasnt even near 'completing' anything. So im kinda sad i couldnt enjoy the game longer!

people should stop whining and just play the damn game and not stop after 1-2 or maybe 10 setbacks. And stop comparing it to 11... the # in the game is 14, not 11-2 orso. So if we all just relax~ grab our keyboard or gamepad and just play the game- we all be alot more happier than assuming ***would go wrong! I hope SQEX is clever enough (not assuming it isnt!) to put some selective shutters before their eyes and just put up a middle f*nger to the *** who said 14 is fail. every game has those so called 'doomday thinkers' so.... just /ignore them and it will all be allright.


I saw a someone post: "if ff14 will fail, and by the looks of it- it will"- i am like how stupid are you to believe some other people's opinion (the 'people that know what they are talking about'-kind)? how much did you disliked playing 14-1 if u did? It shouldnt be an excuse to force up your opinion to make others dislike it as well.

Incomming FF14-3 The return of Bahamut....

My friends all played XIV they thought it was ok but a bit meh. They are now in the beta and loving it I just got my reg key so ill be on XIV over the weekend. Fron what ive seen the game looks amazing and I dont just mean graphically FATEs look interesting, the new jobs looks fun, ive been told the storyline is also good then all the other stuff... choco npc, mounts.... I so want the coeurl armour for chocobos the list goes on.

I agree with the above poster that all the haters can stfu either actually try the game or go play something else.

And another poster about the XI missions, over the years SE have made really good storylines and really they continue to do so. I played through all the XI storylines twice apart from nation missions WoTG was absolutely incredible. Other games X, XII, XIII-2 had fantastic storylines and X-2 and XIII were ok but far from bad imo.

[quote='Fenrir.Fulgore' pid=2386625]Incomming FF14-3 The return of Bahamut....[/quote]

incoming FF11 F2P

According to this dude, SoA is failing, HARD!!! Enjoy and flame on - hah hah hah hah.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/threads/34745-Wake-up-Seekers-is-failing

You're not even an entertaining moron.

That's rich coming from another moron like you :)

Luvbunny1 what are you trying to prove here?