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 Bahamut.Vagrua
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By Bahamut.Vagrua 2011-03-08 13:37:32
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Bahamut.Dasva said:
I'd put in zelus tiara bullwhip belt to cap haste and then use tactical mantle to make up some of the loss of store tp.

Puts you about 6 tp shy of a 4 hit build... but you have 2 regain so you will be regain that 6 tp in 9 seconds which is plenty of time. If you have regain earring it would be more like 6 seconds or just use aethling then depending on how much haste you rocking.
That regain earring would be really nice, except for the difficulty of getting a group together to help me on the last two battlefield missions I have left. :( I'll change my build to that though since it's capping haste.
Should look like this:
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By Bahamut.Vagrua 2011-03-08 13:40:12
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Bahamut.Dasva said:

Also Dirty finger has a good point. All that triple att is kinda ruining the point of your build. You will be over tping any time it procs unless it procs the first hit. Not to mention lower ws dmg.
The WS damage comes from the triple and double attack kicking in. I've tried other atmas and haven't been able to get good damage besides with those.
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By Bahamut.Dasva 2011-03-08 13:40:21
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Should totally make a 3 hit build with ito. Would actually need less store tp than that 4 hit build. :) The go all out on str atmas/gear and ***to make up for weak base dmg.
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By Bahamut.Vagrua 2011-03-08 13:46:42
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Should totally make a 3 hit build with ito. Would actually need less store tp than that 4 hit build. :) The go all out on str atmas/gear and ***to make up for weak base dmg.
Ito? Do you mean the keitonotachi +2 with store tp trials?
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By Bahamut.Dasva 2011-03-08 13:49:52
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Also Dirty finger has a good point. All that triple att is kinda ruining the point of your build. You will be over tping any time it procs unless it procs the first hit. Not to mention lower ws dmg.
The WS damage comes from the triple and double attack kicking in. I've tried other atmas and haven't been able to get good damage besides with those.
Well also meant the lame gkt. But Stout arm is pretty good. But on average A&O is only adding 9% to ws dmg. Well Gekko. Alot less to rana.

Get the 100% tp bonus gkt and tp bonus atma and you could be rocking some nice numbers. From 100 to 300% is a good 60% dmg boost. Or just use fudo and start out with a decently higher ftp anyways
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By Bahamut.Dasva 2011-03-08 13:50:34
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Bahamut.Dasva said:
Should totally make a 3 hit build with ito. Would actually need less store tp than that 4 hit build. :) The go all out on str atmas/gear and ***to make up for weak base dmg.
Ito? Do you mean the keitonotachi +2 with store tp trials?
No I definitely meant Ito. Hence why I said weak base dmg. Has base 18tp/hit. A 480 delay gkt would need like +150 something store tp for a 3 hit build...
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By Bahamut.Dasva 2011-03-08 13:57:36
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Can even go a step further and make a 3 hit build using relic bow and fudo with your regular gkt!
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By Bahamut.Vagrua 2011-03-08 13:59:17
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Bahamut.Dasva said:
Bahamut.Vagrua said:
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Should totally make a 3 hit build with ito. Would actually need less store tp than that 4 hit build. :) The go all out on str atmas/gear and ***to make up for weak base dmg.
Ito? Do you mean the keitonotachi +2 with store tp trials?
No I definitely meant Ito. Hence why I said weak base dmg. Has base 18tp/hit. A 480 delay gkt would need like +150 something store tp for a 3 hit build...
52 store tp in gear is needed to get a 3 hit build on Ito, but even with capped haste, you're hitting once every 10-13 seconds over once every 4-5 seconds. Sounds a little crazy to me.
 
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By Bahamut.Dasva 2011-03-08 14:06:13
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Bahamut.Vagrua said:
Bahamut.Dasva said:
Bahamut.Vagrua said:
Bahamut.Dasva said:
Should totally make a 3 hit build with ito. Would actually need less store tp than that 4 hit build. :) The go all out on str atmas/gear and ***to make up for weak base dmg.
Ito? Do you mean the keitonotachi +2 with store tp trials?
No I definitely meant Ito. Hence why I said weak base dmg. Has base 18tp/hit. A 480 delay gkt would need like +150 something store tp for a 3 hit build...
52 store tp in gear is needed to get a 3 hit build on Ito, but even with capped haste, you're hitting once every 10-13 seconds over once every 4-5 seconds. Sounds a little crazy to me.
About half the attack speed of your 480 gkt. But 50% less hits to get to 100% tp!!! Comes out to like 30% slower to get to 100%...

However comma, auto-target ignores weapon delay. So if mobs be dieing decently fast and have a decent number of ones there. Or just decent wait time between mobs it's actually about the same speed lol
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By Thud 2011-03-09 07:10:54
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Alternatively, with a +20stp atma, you can WS in unkai legs +2, raja, and brutal giving you 21.8tp return. This leaves 26.1tp per tp swing needed which isn't hard to pull off. This would work and gives lots of room to cap haste/etc...

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A real strength of a 4-hit build is the ability to tripple attack right after a WS and your back up to 100+tp, so combine a stp atma with apoc and a&o and you may very well have an impressive setup!
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By Titan.Eiryn 2011-03-09 07:18:59
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Has anyone actually tried this in the game or is it all theory? Last I checked sTP has a cap that makes it impossible to get a 4hit without a huge delay on the gk, at which a lower delay gk would still win at 5hit.
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By Thud 2011-03-09 07:25:27
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Havn't tried this personally, but with brew a single tp hit after a WS brings you well over 100tp, so I assume the old stp caps are gone.
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By Pandemonium.Ironguy 2011-03-09 07:28:30
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hey
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By Pandemonium.Ironguy 2011-03-09 07:28:38
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just my opinion
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By Pandemonium.Ironguy 2011-03-09 07:28:42
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but uh
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By Pandemonium.Ironguy 2011-03-09 07:28:55
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if you're gunna play sam use masamune ok
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By Gilgamesh.Hunewearl 2011-03-09 07:30:59
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Pandemonium.Ironguy said:
if you're gunna play sam use masamune ok
Hahahahaha.
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By Pandemonium.Ironguy 2011-03-09 07:32:34
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?!!??!?!!?!?!?!?!?!1?!1?!?!!1?!?!?!1?!?!??????!1?!1?
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By Titan.Eiryn 2011-03-09 07:35:00
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Thud said:
Havn't tried this personally, but with brew a single tp hit after a WS brings you well over 100tp, so I assume the old stp caps are gone.

Brew has a 50tp/tic regain.
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By Asura.Chefm 2011-03-09 08:47:09
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If you realllllly wanted to... (thinking here really out of a box) but you could use Store Tp+ Atma.

Atma of the Scorpion Queen Store : TP+: Major (20) Critical Hit Rate+: Minor (10%) ,
Atma of the Plaguebringer : "Regen": Minor (+10/tic) "Store TP"+: Major (+20) "Double Attack"+: Minor ,
Atma of the Persistent Predator : "Store TP"+: Major Occasionally increases TP gained when taking damage (+1 TP per each hit taken)

That + 60 store tp rght there
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By Titan.Eiryn 2011-03-09 10:38:58
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It would be a good way to test if there is a sTP cap since atma bonuses are calculated as equipment. I will do that later today and post my findings.
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By Bahamut.Dasva 2011-03-09 12:15:58
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I have tested store tp on rng not that long ago. I think I got somewhere around +114 or so and it wasn't capped
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By Quetzalcoatl.Darknano 2011-03-10 07:48:42
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Can also switch to Bullwhip and AF3 legs
That's what i use
Any better Sam's out there that thinks it's Wrong
PM me or comment so that I may correct my mistakes
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By richwood 2011-03-16 00:23:22
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So I been looking into completing my Sam, since Thf Nin are done, and mnk will be done soon. This from my brief reading and research I think is the best haste and WS sets I can come up with right now. Any help would be great. Thank You.

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+22% haste and 63 STP, for a 4 hit, although slightly more then needed it is to compensate for the WS set, and maintaining a 3 hit post WS. This will give me 25.74 per hit, or 77.22 in 3 hits.

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Net 23.01 return on single hit WS.

This is obviously not the max damage output, but also still compensating STP to maintain post 3 hit TP gain.

I feel as though these sets are not fully maximized to what they could be.
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By richwood 2011-03-16 00:35:01
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Come on now, I know all you life'er Sam out there have this shyt down to a science. drop me some advice. O.o
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By Fenrir.Gradd 2011-03-16 04:15:10
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SAM can't use Belenos' Mantle.
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By Nabis 2011-03-16 06:08:58
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WASUP 3 hit that ***biotches
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