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 Cerberus.Eugene
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By Cerberus.Eugene 2012-07-26 17:00:22  
Ramuh.Urial said: »
Asura.Dajociont said: »
Bismarck.Misao said: »
wtb riven guide :/

riven guide:

WHY AM I SO GOOD

IT MUST BE THIS SWORD

IT'S MAGICAL

RQQQWQQQWQWQQQWQQQWQQQWQQQWQQQWQQQWQQQWQQQQQQQQQWQQQQQWQQQQQWQQQQQQWQQQQQWQQQWQWQWQWQWQWQ

E IS FOR BEING SCARED GIRLY TIMES
Sounds about right, maybe some more Q.
xD
e isn't for girly times, its for gap closing rush downs.
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By Rhaokin 2012-07-26 17:02:13  
Didn't ban Morg or Shen, everything went better than expected. Super close comeback. O_O

 Cerberus.Eugene
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By Cerberus.Eugene 2012-07-26 17:24:26  
I was *** awful with zyra first couple games, getting better now.
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By Fairy.Spence 2012-07-26 18:44:21  
Peldin sounds like a stream ***!

You think you can automatically know how to build a champ without playing him? Seeing rune and mastery choices and reading the justification behind it helps a lot. There are many standard rune/mastery setups that work in certain roles. ie. armor yellows on junglers, with AS for certain champs who scale well with it. MR/lvl on many champs just because it's by far the best choice in slot.

As far as items go, builds are fairly standard these days too. ADC is almost always the same. AP carries too and bruisers. I really don't like how they got rid of dodge and an item like sword of the divine which was a counter to stacking dodge. I like counter building, but with the exception of randuins/abyssal/frozen heart, there's not much to it anymore.

Saying guides are for noobs is a HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE thing to say.

TL;DR - Sometimes I don't want to invest as many games as it would take to find my preference for a champ from scratch, so I see what other players have done and make tweaks.
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 Cerberus.Eugene
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By Cerberus.Eugene 2012-07-26 19:33:51  
They provide a starting point, give you an overview that can help lead you into streams. A lot of solomid guides have links to videos in them.

It also provides a quick guide to a champ you may not want to spend hours watching others play. If you just want to try a champ out a 15 minute perusal of a guide > watching lots of boring downtime in streams.
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By Rhaokin 2012-07-26 20:31:36  
I can't stand to watch streams most of the time because certain habits that people like Dyrus have really annoy me. >_>

Don't get me wrong, I am a fan and I think he's a great player.
 Siren.Stiklelf
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By Siren.Stiklelf 2012-07-26 21:06:34  
Protect the Faith.
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By Avitori 2012-07-26 22:42:39  
Been playing LoL alot lately PM me if any of you want someone to play with normal or ranked. ^^
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By Rhaokin 2012-07-27 00:47:24  
That moment when

By volkom 2012-07-27 00:54:54  
Rhaokin said: »
That moment when


that pantheon....
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By Rhaokin 2012-07-27 01:30:41  
Whoa I didn't even see that rofl
 Fairy.Ghaleon
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By Fairy.Ghaleon 2012-07-27 01:44:34  
whoooo. 2-3weeks later and i'm lvl 20 with 68 wins xD

bought my first rune set just now :3
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By Peldin 2012-07-27 02:06:49  
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It also provides a quick guide to a champ you may not want to spend hours watching others play. If you just want to try a champ out a 15 minute perusal of a guide > watching lots of boring downtime in streams.
If you just want to try a champ out, why would you read a guide? For what purpose? To see what runes and masteries some other player uses? To see what items they get? That is equivalent to reading a guide on FFXI about how to solo as a ninja and thinking that's the only way to play a ninja.
Your runes and masteries for a champion will change from game to game depending on who you are laning against (obviously this applies to draft-pick/ranked games and not blind pick). Your items will change depending on a few things - who you're against, what they are building, and what your teammates are building.

A guide doesn't really do anything but stop you from thinking for yourself. If you know about all the items in the game, you should be able to figure out for yourself which item would be most ideal for the game that you are in. For example - if you are playing AD ranged... When do you get Black Cleaver instead of Last Whisper? When do you get Guardian's Angel instead of Banshees? When is Madred's viable? Should you get 2 doran's or one? Or none?

AD ranged is the MOST cookie cutter role in LoL and it still has some of these situational questions. If you are solo top or solo mid then you have a lot more to think about because your item build is going to vary a lot more based on who you are laning against and who their jungler is and what items they are getting. Your ward placements are going to vary depending on who the enemy jungler is or what your jungler is doing.

Reading a guide is about as valuable as choosing the recommended items every game.
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By Asura.Dominate 2012-07-27 02:12:53  
Peldin said: »
something something don't use guides
I stopped reading your post kinda early in, lol. Just because you read over guides, doesn't mean you follow them step by step and cannot think for yourself afterwards. You can an idea of what other people do and see how it works for you. Tweak things as you go, etc.

Or maybe for some reason you simply cannot get the champ down and want to see what others suggest? There's so many answers to your "For what purpose?" question!

Also, isn't a guide about not reading guides silly? :3
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By Fairy.Spence 2012-07-27 02:36:46  
Dominate is obvious nube!
 Asura.Ludoggy
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By Asura.Ludoggy 2012-07-27 02:37:10  
Kind of crazy how I've seen dem streamers quickly alt+tab to a guide and how some guides even answer all those questions.
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By Asura.Dominate 2012-07-27 02:39:46  
WHERE MUH NUBEZ AT!? HOLLA!
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By Bismarck.Magnuss 2012-07-27 02:46:12  
I needed tips on how to build Nunu. I was 0/10 against beginner bots.

I am most definitely nubile.
 Asura.Dajociont
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By Asura.Dajociont 2012-07-27 02:57:57  
Cerberus.Eugene said: »
e isn't for girly times, its for gap closing rush downs.

y u ruin the funny :(
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By Bismarck.Faelar 2012-07-27 08:06:33  
I know we have all seen Diana now, but I have some more info for you!




ABILITIES.
Passive:
Diana gains bonus AS, depending on how many champions (both ally and enemy) are near her.

Q - Moonshine
Diana dashes at the target and deals physical damage. The target is unable to see Diana for a small time.

W - Eclipse
Diana creates a shield for 1 second that absorbs the next enemy ability. Diana then channels that ability to any champion with reduced damage. Failure to channel abilty will cause it to apply on Diana.

E - Crescent Blade
Diana's next attack deals bonus AP damage and gives Diana bonus MS.

R - Full Moon
Passive: Diana absorbs 5% of damage dealt from auto-attacks when Full moon is not active. Each attack reduces cooldown of active by 1 sec.
Active: Diana unleashes the full power of the moon, dealing a base damage + 5% of total damage absorbed by passive at target location, slowing all enemies inside by 30%.
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By Asura.Lolserj 2012-07-27 08:10:38  
Peldin said: »
Quote:
It also provides a quick guide to a champ you may not want to spend hours watching others play. If you just want to try a champ out a 15 minute perusal of a guide > watching lots of boring downtime in streams.
If you just want to try a champ out, why would you read a guide? For what purpose? To see what runes and masteries some other player uses? To see what items they get? That is equivalent to reading a guide on FFXI about how to solo as a ninja and thinking that's the only way to play a ninja.
Your runes and masteries for a champion will change from game to game depending on who you are laning against (obviously this applies to draft-pick/ranked games and not blind pick). Your items will change depending on a few things - who you're against, what they are building, and what your teammates are building.

A guide doesn't really do anything but stop you from thinking for yourself. If you know about all the items in the game, you should be able to figure out for yourself which item would be most ideal for the game that you are in. For example - if you are playing AD ranged... When do you get Black Cleaver instead of Last Whisper? When do you get Guardian's Angel instead of Banshees? When is Madred's viable? Should you get 2 doran's or one? Or none?

AD ranged is the MOST cookie cutter role in LoL and it still has some of these situational questions. If you are solo top or solo mid then you have a lot more to think about because your item build is going to vary a lot more based on who you are laning against and who their jungler is and what items they are getting. Your ward placements are going to vary depending on who the enemy jungler is or what your jungler is doing.

Reading a guide is about as valuable as choosing the recommended items every game.

stop being a ***


I use guides when I pick a champ I've never played and go "Oh ***I have no idea what to max first or what to build" and then I check like 4 different guides for opinions on what I should max first and what I should generally build (I normally don't get those builds exactly, and when I ask what I should max first normally I have an Idea of what I should max anyways)

And nothing against streams, but If you're some idiot (*cough*) that just watches streams thinking that's going to be enough to improve your gameplay then you're mistaken

if you don't know why the players do certain things, and just build something because you see it in a game played by your favorite ADC or jungler then you're going to suck and not know what the *** happened

TL;DR- Stop being a *** ***, people have different opinions
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By Asura.Lolserj 2012-07-27 08:11:46  
And by different opinions I mean almost every person here probably disagrees with the statement "Using guides makes you a noob"
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By Asura.Dameshi 2012-07-27 08:14:58  
Bismarck.Magnuss said: »
I needed tips on how to build Nunu. I was 0/10 against beginner bots.

I am most definitely nubile.
Are you going to be on tonight? GP and I could help you with the yeti.
 Bismarck.Faelar
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By Bismarck.Faelar 2012-07-27 08:16:11  
Newest Sale, July 27 (Today) through July 30 (Monday)

SKINS
Vandal Twitch - 487 RP
Major Ziggs - 487 RP
Big Bad Warwick - 260 RP

CHAMPIONS
Nasus - 292 RP
Pantheon - 487 RP
Ahri - 487 RP
 Asura.Lolserj
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By Asura.Lolserj 2012-07-27 08:16:47  
Too bad I already bought Big Bad Warwick
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By Bismarck.Faelar 2012-07-27 08:18:29  
I -might- pick up Ahri. She was one of the first champs I ever tried, sucked with her then but now i'm much better (Thank you PBE!)
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By Asura.Lolserj 2012-07-27 08:20:56  
Don't play ahri :( ahri is annoying
 Bismarck.Faelar
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By Bismarck.Faelar 2012-07-27 08:22:01  
Waiting for Freljord Ashe to go on sale
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By Odin.Minefield 2012-07-27 08:23:58  
Besides Grey/Urf, got all Warwick skins now :D yay

Can't wait till Black Friday!
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By Fairy.Spence 2012-07-27 08:34:47  
Diana sound like she could be fun.

I've always wanted Urf WW :< or even Urf Corki

Man the whole Urf story makes me sad :( Poor urf
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