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volkom said: » Bahamut.Serj said: » You realize the biggest point to BT as a third item is the life steal, right? And that's only saying LW is better with a full AD page, where I run full armor pen so it's entirely the opposite. yeah thats what i said to my friend that linked me that. but anywho its interesting to see the math behind it if you watch/read that page either way that match i had a full build by about 30 mins Odin.Hitoseijuro said: » jesus christ really? every time i find something that seems interesting and make a statement everyone goes "oh its situational" "oh think before you say stupid ***" or w/e the whole thing is based on a simple scenario with a specific masteries and runes.
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That took so many assumptions into account lol.
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volkom said: » jesus christ really? every time i find something that seems interesting and make a statement everyone goes "oh its situational" "oh think before you say stupid ***" or w/e the whole thing is based on a simple scenario with a specific masteries and runes. Thats a set of circumstances that were given, hence a situation, hence situational because even the circumstances set can be changed. I thought people knew what situational was and that everything is always situational.
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volkom said: » Odin.Hitoseijuro said: » jesus christ really? every time i find something that seems interesting and make a statement everyone goes "oh its situational" "oh think before you say stupid ***" or w/e the whole thing is based on a simple scenario with a specific masteries and runes. technically it is situational depending on the armor someone has... Asura.Lolserj said: » volkom said: » Odin.Hitoseijuro said: » jesus christ really? every time i find something that seems interesting and make a statement everyone goes "oh its situational" "oh think before you say stupid ***" or w/e the whole thing is based on a simple scenario with a specific masteries and runes. technically it is situational depending on the armor someone has... but its almost always better to have last whisper when you compare it to a nonstacked bloodthirster. besides you can make do with just a vamp scepter until you got funds for the blood thirster volkom said: » Asura.Lolserj said: » volkom said: » Odin.Hitoseijuro said: » jesus christ really? every time i find something that seems interesting and make a statement everyone goes "oh its situational" "oh think before you say stupid ***" or w/e the whole thing is based on a simple scenario with a specific masteries and runes. technically it is situational depending on the armor someone has... but its almost always better to have last whisper when you compare it to a nonstacked bloodthirster. besides you can make do with just a vamp scepter until you got funds for the blood thirster I mean if you want to just completely overlook utility... Asura.Lolserj said: » volkom said: » Asura.Lolserj said: » volkom said: » Odin.Hitoseijuro said: » jesus christ really? every time i find something that seems interesting and make a statement everyone goes "oh its situational" "oh think before you say stupid ***" or w/e the whole thing is based on a simple scenario with a specific masteries and runes. technically it is situational depending on the armor someone has... but its almost always better to have last whisper when you compare it to a nonstacked bloodthirster. besides you can make do with just a vamp scepter until you got funds for the blood thirster I mean if you want to just completely overlook utility... hmmm life steal to live a little longer and heal up between fights and waste time farming for stacks...or penetrate 40% of people's armor and kill people faster volkom said: » Asura.Lolserj said: » volkom said: » Asura.Lolserj said: » volkom said: » Odin.Hitoseijuro said: » jesus christ really? every time i find something that seems interesting and make a statement everyone goes "oh its situational" "oh think before you say stupid ***" or w/e the whole thing is based on a simple scenario with a specific masteries and runes. technically it is situational depending on the armor someone has... but its almost always better to have last whisper when you compare it to a nonstacked bloodthirster. besides you can make do with just a vamp scepter until you got funds for the blood thirster I mean if you want to just completely overlook utility... hmmm life steal to live a little longer and heal up between fights and waste time farming for stacks...or penetrate 40% of people's armor and kill people faster If you want to look at it that way and literally overlook situations where a BT would be beneficial sure You can say that but assuming is stupid so... So are we debating Apocalypse vs. Ragnarok in this thread?
Cerberus.Tikal said: » So are we debating Apocalypse vs. Ragnarok in this thread? Not really, since most of the time BT will give you more damage too, especially if you run *any* armor pen runes. LW is 2300~ and BT will cost 2550 since you'll have a vamp scepter by then too, and an argument in LW case is get another vamp scepter, which takes up 3 spots, costs more, and in most cases does less in mid-game. Not saying LW is bad, but it's honestly a late game item and depends on the other teams build, since most rune pages take armor pen reds which is 15 and devalues the values at the point LW does more damage than a full farmed BT and exceeds the point where normal carries defense is at. And BT only loses half stacks when you die and isn't hard to cap out, so yea, that's not really an argument either. I was kidding. The arguments just seemed surprisingly similar, it was comical.
Bahamut.Serj said: » Cerberus.Tikal said: » So are we debating Apocalypse vs. Ragnarok in this thread? Not really, since most of the time BT will give you more damage too, especially if you run *any* armor pen runes. LW is 2300~ and BT will cost 2550 since you'll have a vamp scepter by then too, and an argument in LW case is get another vamp scepter, which takes up 3 spots, costs more, and in most cases does less in mid-game. Not saying LW is bad, but it's honestly a late game item and depends on the other teams build, since most rune pages take armor pen reds which is 15 and devalues the values at the point LW does more damage than a full farmed BT and exceeds the point where normal carries defense is at. And BT only loses half stacks when you die and isn't hard to cap out, so yea, that's not really an argument either. the arguement isn't about getting another vamp scepter. its about your 3rd item. normally people get berserker grieves, ifinity edge and phantom dancer. then the debate is, go for last whisper or blood thirster. from that link, they're argueing if you run ad runes that last whisper is better cuz you need 10 stacks on your bloodthirster to out put the same damage as last whisper, meanwhile more than likely everyone besides the designated tank won't have that much armor. so with 40% armor pen allows you to deal more damage early in the game instead of late game. ALmsot every game I start boots > Doran's x2/Zerkers > Vamp. sceptre > IE > PD > LW > Sometimes BT, sometimes defense item
I don't even like buying BT.
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Don't you need to take someones actual armor into account before seeing which item will actually do more damage?
That's true. In normals I don't see nearly as much armor. Ranked usually have 2 bruisers (top/jungle) so I'd always build it third. I've barely played AD recently though!
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Yeah I don't even play AD much anymore
volkom said: » the arguement isn't about getting another vamp scepter. Go read the section that talks about utility in life steal in your link. Quote: its about your 3rd item. normally people get berserker grieves, ifinity edge and phantom dancer. then the debate is, go for last whisper or blood thirster. from that link, they're argueing if you run ad runes that last whisper is better cuz you need 10 stacks on your bloodthirster to out put the same damage as last whisper, meanwhile more than likely everyone besides the designated tank won't have that much armor. 10 stacks on BT is nothing, and generally no one aside from a tank/bruiser will have any armor, so BT will generally do more damage. Quote: so with 40% armor pen allows you to deal more damage early in the game instead of late game. It depends on the other teams comp and builds. Yes, if you have full AD in runes it scales like they said. But if you have any armor pen in runes it throws the defense needed for LW to be better than BT a lot higher since your flat armor pen devalues LW defense pen %. Also if you build brutalizer is throws it off even more (obviously a lot more selective to champs here). So, it basically comes down to life steal utility, your own flat armor pen, and their team set up/build. LW comes more in to play when people start building their last defense item in most games/builds.
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Aion has been the new woman in his life D;
I feel so betrayed
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I enjoyed Aion until the Abyss. I also leveled a Templar, so that may have had something to do with it <.<
Fairy.Spence said: » That's true. In normals I don't see nearly as much armor. Ranked usually have 2 bruisers (top/jungle) so I'd always build it third. I've barely played AD recently though! Taric/early legions are usually where I know LW is going to be useful or if my bot lane takes off slow where by levels champs are gaining the necessary def to consider LW. Then again I normally run A.Pen red runes so I have that to consider. I might buy another rune set page and see if full AD runes suits me better than A.pen red/AD quints, but like you guys I rarely play AD champs :/ Asura.Dameshi said: » I enjoyed Aion until the Abyss. I also leveled a Templar, so that may have had something to do with it <.<
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a full rune page of ad runes sucks
volkom said: » a full rune page of ad runes sucks I think the usual AD carry page is something along the lines of AD reds and quints with armor yellows and MR/Level blues IIRC
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volkom said: » a full rune page of ad runes sucks |
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