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Abyssea - Casual or hardcore ?
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2010-07-22 13:59:50
Leviathan.Pimpchan said: Ragnarok.Sekundes said:
Events like salvage are all luck. Sure it's not that hard but most people get to do 100's of runs just to get their gear and then 100 more for the next person in line, it's HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE.
No need to spread bullcrap about salvage, most drop require 20-30 dedicated run only to get. 1/100 droprate don't exist, there is only one idiot on BG that has ever experienced it. This on par with gettinga duelist's chapeau for instance. And here I thought you knew how to shot statistics.
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By Bahamut.Raenryong 2010-07-22 14:09:20
Ignore Pchan.
This is something which should be readily apparent to any regular BG browser.
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By Ragnarok.Sekundes 2010-07-22 14:44:35
Leviathan.Pimpchan said: Ragnarok.Sekundes said:
Events like salvage are all luck. Sure it's not that hard but most people get to do 100's of runs just to get their gear and then 100 more for the next person in line, it's HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE.
No need to spread bullcrap about salvage, most drop require 20-30 dedicated run only to get. 1/100 droprate don't exist, there is only one idiot on BG that has ever experienced it. This on par with gettinga duelist's chapeau for instance.
Perhaps I should be more specific... I don't mean get one 35, I mean get 5/5 of a set, and that's if your lucky enough to only need one set.
Leviathan.Pimpchan said: 1/100 droprate don't exist, there is only one idiot on BG that has ever experienced it.
It only takes one to exist, and statistics say it's possible, just not probable but either way salvage is an event that takes a massive amount of time and luck particularly for key parts of very much wanted gear.
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By Valefor.Argettio 2010-07-22 14:46:02
Pchan is so hardcore he doesn't need to level to 80 (or have relevant subs leveled).
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By Leviathan.Pimpchan 2010-07-22 15:34:28
Ragnarok.Sekundes said: it's possible, just not probable
Everything in the game is based on random numbers, what you say also implies to abyssea.
@ argettio and rayensomething : try doing a useful post for once (not your BG-usal crap). Your opinion ?
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By Valefor.Argettio 2010-07-22 16:08:33
Leviathan.Pimpchan said:
@ argettio and rayensomething : try doing a useful post for once (not your BG-usal crap). Your opinion ?
Not tried Abyssea as I quit but looks like an event you can take as seriously or casually as you want.
Those that are willing to spent hours playing will get the most out of it, but it seem even 'casual' players can get something out. Sounds like SE managed to create a decent event...
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By Shiva.Flionheart 2010-07-22 16:11:56
Leviathan.Pimpchan said: Hey ***,
My name is Pchan, and I hate every single one of you. All of you are Gimp, badly geared, noobs who spend every second of their day trying to improve. You are everything bad in the world. Honestly, have any of you ever gotten any Salvage pieces? I mean, I guess it's fun trying to do the best you can without the best gear, but you all take to a whole new level. This is even worse than TPing in Dusk instead of Dusk +1.
Don't be a stranger. Just hit me with your best shot. I'm pretty much perfect. I was Leader of a botting Linkshell, and Duped Salvage pieces and got away with it. What accomplishments do you have in game, other than "Playing for fun"? I also get Dyna drops when I want them (or, I'll GM), and have a banging hot pup gear set (Just Solo'd Serket; ***was SO cash).
You are all Gimps who should just Stop playing. Thanks for listening.
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By Sylph.Lotusbluete 2010-07-22 16:24:11
lol is that nightwish on emoboy's shirt?
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By Shiva.Flionheart 2010-07-22 16:26:38
Sylph.Lotusbluete said: lol is that nightwish on emoboy's shirt?
Who knows, I typed in the first two words that described Pchan into google.
Fat, Emo.
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By Titan.Rohauce 2010-07-22 16:44:26
Shiva.Flionheart said: Leviathan.Pimpchan said: Hey ***,
My name is Pchan, and I hate every single one of you. All of you are Gimp, badly geared, noobs who spend every second of their day trying to improve. You are everything bad in the world. Honestly, have any of you ever gotten any Salvage pieces? I mean, I guess it's fun trying to do the best you can without the best gear, but you all take to a whole new level. This is even worse than TPing in Dusk instead of Dusk +1.
Don't be a stranger. Just hit me with your best shot. I'm pretty much perfect. I was Leader of a botting Linkshell, and Duped Salvage pieces and got away with it. What accomplishments do you have in game, other than "Playing for fun"? I also get Dyna drops when I want them (or, I'll GM), and have a banging hot pup gear set (Just Solo'd Serket; ***was SO cash).
You are all Gimps who should just Stop playing. Thanks for listening.
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lol'd hard
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By Midgardsormr.Soki 2010-07-22 16:57:54
Leviathan.Pimpchan said: Midgardsormr.Soki said: btw, casual to me is logging in for 3-5 hours a day
5 hours a day ? You are severely hardcore. It's hardly enough to work, eat, play and sleep.
sounds like you need to go play WOW or snes if you not putting 20 hours in a week because that to me is the bear minimum
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By Ramuh.Vinvv 2010-07-22 16:59:45
Midgardsormr.Soki said: bear minimum 
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By Midgardsormr.Soki 2010-07-22 17:02:45
Ramuh.Vinvv said: Midgardsormr.Soki said: bear minimum
word
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By Midgardsormr.Soki 2010-07-22 17:07:49
Leviathan.Pimpchan said: Ragnarok.Sekundes said: it's possible, just not probable
Everything in the game is based on random numbers, what you say also implies to abyssea.
@ argettio and rayensomething : try doing a useful post for once (not your BG-usal crap). Your opinion ? 
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By Midgardsormr.Soki 2010-07-22 17:13:13
from me to you, do this
this will give you the abyssite for better blue chests...
You will need confluxes 1,4 and 6 in Lathiene. To do this the fastest possible way and using the least amount of Abyssea time, i suggest you go in, get time, go to #4 get broken rod, go to #6 tradegood rod, go to #1 and out, then back in to repeat. I also recommend a job that has 12% movement speed.
1) Buy Willow Rods from NPC in town. Make sure you leave 1 inventory spot open because the quest giver will give you a broken rod.
2) Enter Abys-Lathiene and get visitant status. Use conflux #1 to warp to #4
3) Flag the quest at #4. Use #4 to warp to #6.
4) Trade Willow Rod to NPC at #6 and use #6 to go to #1 and out.
5) Repeat
The time spent per quest inside Abyssea should only be about 1min. Each rank up takes 10 trades.
Dont worry about cruor costs for warping. Each completed quest only uses up 60 (85 and 95 for confluxes, but 120 quest reward).
I only used 59min total inside abyssea. That includes the initial run to get confluxes 4 and 6. Also includes doing the actual abyssite quest chasing down the guy. The abyssite quest gives 1k cruor which cuts your total cruor loss to 1000.
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By Ragnarok.Sekundes 2010-07-22 19:05:44
Leviathan.Pimpchan said: Ragnarok.Sekundes said: it's possible, just not probable
Everything in the game is based on random numbers, what you say also implies to abyssea.
@ argettio and rayensomething : try doing a useful post for once (not your BG-usal crap). Your opinion ?
You're right, the entire game is based on numbers, but not all of them are entirely random and some have a lower chance than others. But how does that have anything to do with your claims, where is your point?
Abyssea has content for hardcore people as well as casual but is very friendly to the casual player, this is a good thing why are you bitching?
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Leviathan.Pimpchan
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By Leviathan.Pimpchan 2010-07-23 04:32:11
Ragnarok.Sekundes said: [
Abyssea has content for hardcore people as well as casual but is very friendly to the casual player, this is a good thing why are you bitching?
Again, the only people in the thread defending abyssea as good for casual players are gimps with 10 level 80 jobs ... because the only thing they manage ingame is exping, and the extension was good news for them since precisely it gives easy exp (if you can afford exping 5 hours, that is). So very friendly to casual player is a nonsense right now. To justify themselves, you see the same idiots claiming that playing less than 5 hours a day is casual or that killing NMs in alliances (as in : not solo-duo, which casual player would prefer) is rewarding, totally forgetting that droprate combined with effort to farm the pop item, combined with number of player required to kill (which will impact the average money you'll earn from a run) makes it just yet another form of highly time consuming endgame event, no more casual than sky or limbus or salvage, and actually less rewarding since the gear is only .. level 80.
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By Shiva.Flionheart 2010-07-23 04:35:01
I could call you a gimp for not having jobs and relevant subs levelled. GTFO gimpchan.
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By Ifrit.Darkanaseur 2010-07-23 04:54:19
It is casual. How is 120min/run x times/week a hardcore event? Sky/Sea/Dynamis when they were released required an incredible amount of time and manpower to attain anything. Abyssea doesn't, pretty much everything can be done with as little as 6, and it's far more enjoyable being able to farm pops while recieving high levels of XP, before popping an NM (also giving high XP) with a (usually) high drop rate. I don't know what your perspective is, but playing 3 hours a day doesn't make you a hardcore player. Hardcore by MMO definition would be spending the majority of your day playing, and sacrificing a lot of other time like sleep to achieve something. Ie: HNM etc.
The effort/time required to invest in Abyssea to be rewarded with anything is significantly lower than most other events, while being more enjoyable to do. I'm not accounting for things like going 1/1 on some item, I mean consistency.
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By Leviathan.Pimpchan 2010-07-23 05:06:49
Ifrit.Darkanaseur said: pretty much everything can be done with as little as 6
Don't think so tim
most of the NMs are like this.
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By Sylph.Kimble 2010-07-23 05:10:05
First of all, there is a good handful of NMs in the new areas that you don't need a whole ally to kill. A good amount can be low-manned with 2-5 people.
Seriously, before you *** and moan and keep talking out of your ***, maybe you should actually go try abyssea before you make uneducated claims about something you have no idea about.
Almost seems like you are pissed off people can exp easily and fast.
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By Sylph.Kimble 2010-07-23 05:11:05
Leviathan.Pimpchan said: Ifrit.Darkanaseur said: pretty much everything can be done with as little as 6
Don't think so tim
most of the NMs are like this.
Really? Tell me OH WISE ONE, how many of the NMS have you done?
Just because people bring 18 to Fafnir, doesn't mean you need 18 to kill it.
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By Odin.Zicdeh 2010-07-23 05:23:09
Leviathan.Pimpchan said: Ragnarok.Sekundes said: [
Abyssea has content for hardcore people as well as casual but is very friendly to the casual player, this is a good thing why are you bitching?
Again, the only people in the thread defending abyssea as good for casual players are gimps with 10 level 80 jobs ... because the only thing they manage ingame is exping, and the extension was good news for them since precisely it gives easy exp (if you can afford exping 5 hours, that is). So very friendly to casual player is a nonsense right now. To justify themselves, you see the same idiots claiming that playing less than 5 hours a day is casual or that killing NMs in alliances (as in : not solo-duo, which casual player would prefer) is rewarding, totally forgetting that droprate combined with effort to farm the pop item, combined with number of player required to kill (which will impact the average money you'll earn from a run) makes it just yet another form of highly time consuming endgame event, no more casual than sky or limbus or salvage, and actually less rewarding since the gear is only .. level 80.
This idiot still hasn't even learned what Casual really means.
The only thing he's shown, is like any good Frenchy, he's got the Surrender Skill maxed and merited.
I will try to explain it one more time, casual has no baring on time invested. One can play Farmville for 90 hours straight (And die, True story btw), while another can play EVE online for twelve minutes. Does that make Farmville Hardcore, and EVE Casual? No.
It's all about being accessible, and Abyssea is very accessible to a wide variety of individuals. That's as casual as you can hope to get in a Subscription MMORPG. The simple fact that you consider Salvage Casual speaks volumes to the degree of your mental retardation.
Salvage.
->Requires Mission Progression
->Requires a Minimum of six people to Enter (not counting DC entry)
->Requires another event(Assault) to even be able to enter.
->Low Drop rates
->Arrapago Remnants
Abyssea.
-> 30 Minutes per 20 hours
-> TI Monsters are Soloable(Some) Never more than 3 required
-> Multiple Uses. Exp, Items(Gil), HNM(Items)
-> Empyrean Weapons are "Hardcore" Content. Abyssea itself is not.
Basically, You're pissed cause there's something you can't hack to get, and because you've burned so many bridges, you don't have anyone who is willing to help you "Pimp" lolpup. It's such a shame that an MMO would be subject to basic societal contracts.
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By Gilgamesh.Ianpyst 2010-07-23 05:35:21
Odin.Zicdeh said:
This idiot still hasn't even learned what Casual really means.
The only thing he's shown, is like any good Frenchy, he's got the Surrender Skill maxed and merited.
I will try to explain it one more time, casual has no baring on time invested. One can play Farmville for 90 hours straight (And die, True story btw), while another can play EVE online for twelve minutes. Does that make Farmville Hardcore, and EVE Casual? No.
It's all about being accessible, and Abyssea is very accessible to a wide variety of individuals. That's as casual as you can hope to get in a Subscription MMORPG. The simple fact that you consider Salvage Casual speaks volumes to the degree of your mental retardation.
Salvage.
->Requires Mission Progression
->Requires a Minimum of six people to Enter (not counting DC entry)
->Requires another event(Assault) to even be able to enter.
->Low Drop rates
->Arrapago Remnants
Abyssea.
-> 30 Minutes per 20 hours
-> TI Monsters are Soloable(Some) Never more than 3 required
-> Multiple Uses. Exp, Items(Gil), HNM(Items)
-> Empyrean Weapons are "Hardcore" Content. Abyssea itself is not.
Basically, You're pissed cause there's something you can't hack to get, and because you've burned so many bridges, you don't have anyone who is willing to help you "Pimp" lolpup. It's such a shame that an MMO would be subject to basic societal contracts.
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Pimpchan i believe its time for you to start waving that white flag of yours. We all know you have it handy.
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By Fenrir.Tool 2010-07-23 05:41:12
Sometimes, you just gotta admit defeat Pimpchan.
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By Ifrit.Darkanaseur 2010-07-23 05:50:07
Leviathan.Pimpchan said: Ifrit.Darkanaseur said: pretty much everything can be done with as little as 6 Don't think so tim most of the NMs are like this.
I didn't say everything. My group has about 9 and we've killed most La Theine NMs/VNMs so far. Bringing alliances to Abyssea is for kill speed increase not difficulty, there's lots of terrain to use. Just unfortunately you'll drain a lot more time doing it. So yes, 6 can comfortably kil most NMs if they're willing to sacrifice time to do so.
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By Shiva.Flionheart 2010-07-23 05:54:22
Fenrir.Tool said:
Sometimes, you just gotta admit defeat Pimpchan.
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By Sylph.Lotusbluete 2010-07-23 06:16:39
Leviathan.Pimpchan said: Ragnarok.Sekundes said: [
Abyssea has content for hardcore people as well as casual but is very friendly to the casual player, this is a good thing why are you bitching?
Again, the only people in the thread defending abyssea as good for casual players are gimps with 10 level 80 jobs ... because the only thing they manage ingame is exping, and the extension was good news for them since precisely it gives easy exp (if you can afford exping 5 hours, that is). So very friendly to casual player is a nonsense right now. To justify themselves, you see the same idiots claiming that playing less than 5 hours a day is casual or that killing NMs in alliances (as in : not solo-duo, which casual player would prefer) is rewarding, totally forgetting that droprate combined with effort to farm the pop item, combined with number of player required to kill (which will impact the average money you'll earn from a run) makes it just yet another form of highly time consuming endgame event, no more casual than sky or limbus or salvage, and actually less rewarding since the gear is only .. level 80.
Well, I only play 1-2 hours per day, if i play at all.
I'm quite happy about the fact that I can get 1-2 levels during that time when i exp in abyssea, if its a good ally.
so how is that not casual?
oh, and for salvage and the time issue: did you count all the assault runs you had to do in order to get APs too? I guess not :3
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By Emilrelda 2010-07-23 06:26:20
i think abyssea is causeal and hardcore with the new nms and mobs and vnms
After reading a lot of posts on different websites like ffxiah, alla, BG on abyssea, a lot of people consider abyssea the event "that everyone was waiting", especially "casual" players, whatever that means.
* I have seen reports of 5 hours exp parties in abyssea being awesome - how is that casual ?
* I checked the requirement for Verethragna, the empyrean H2H :
It requires 50 "Two-leaf Chloris Bud" ; this drops from "Chloris", an abyssea NM with unknown drop rate, not 100%. Requirements for popping Chloris are 4 key items :
*Veinous Hecteyes Eyelid => requires killing "Olphanim" not 100%
*Torn Bat Wing => requires killing "Treble Noctules" not 100%
*Gory Scorpion Claw => requires killing "Hedeteted" not 100%
*Mossy Adamantoise Shell => requires killing "Chukwa" not 100%
olphanim requires 3 "rare" items : "Bloodshot Hecteye" "Shriveled Wing" and a "Shriveled Pincer" - which themselves drop from either normal mobs or NMs that requires another item to pop. Hedetet and treble noctules work the same. Chukwa doesn't require pop (key) items.
Poping just *one* Chloris seems like more of a headache than poping a tier4 ZNM or the tier4 VNM, and you need 50 of its drop (hopefully 100% drop rate), making the difficulty to get the item much longer than getting a pandemonium warden drop.
How is this casual ? Did SE really manage to make us pay 10$ for a retardly time consuming event. It's not like Chloris is the only NM looked after, as there is one equivalent for each weapon it seems, and there a lot of other NMs dropping gear.
Did we really get an event 10x more cock blocking than Salvage ? Doing NMs in abyssea is not exactly the same as normal exp, you will quickly consume your time and be only able to enter once every few days alla dynamis/limbus.
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