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Abyssea - Casual or hardcore ?
Cerberus.Lumei
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By Cerberus.Lumei 2010-07-24 09:27:17
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Someone else try.
Leviathan.Pimpchan
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By Leviathan.Pimpchan 2010-07-24 10:00:44
Carbuncle.Zanno said: I still dont get it what PC is whining about.
If you dont like the expansion, dont get it. Go on and pretend like its 2007, dont do the lv cap ***, stay @ lv 75, keep the awesome 2007 gear you have. How hard can it be?
But dont expect everyone else to live by those rules.
What you think is a waste of time/money/ or w/e, isnt a waste of time or money for 99% of everyone else, it seems.
Accept that and move on ffs lol
I'm not sure why you think it's impossible to get 80 without abyssea. There must be US blood in your body. 200k exp is like 1 evening of AB or two meripos.
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By Cerberus.Savannah 2010-07-24 10:16:53
He also said right before that to not do the level cap and stay as if they never gave us anything.
Anyway, Abyssea can be casual, you're not forced to stay there for multiple hours...you have the power to go in and leave whenever you choose.
And the NM drops are worth it....for me, it's wabbit hunting season.
This game is all what you make it. If you make a big deal saying it's hardcore or you can only play it hardcore, then you will never be able to see the casual side of it, and I feel bad for you.
Best of luck on everyone's adventures~ ^^
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Carbuncle.Zanno
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By Carbuncle.Zanno 2010-07-24 10:36:18
Leviathan.Pimpchan said: Carbuncle.Zanno said: I still dont get it what PC is whining about.
If you dont like the expansion, dont get it. Go on and pretend like its 2007, dont do the lv cap ***, stay @ lv 75, keep the awesome 2007 gear you have. How hard can it be?
But dont expect everyone else to live by those rules.
What you think is a waste of time/money/ or w/e, isnt a waste of time or money for 99% of everyone else, it seems.
Accept that and move on ffs lol
I'm not sure why you think it's impossible to get 80 without abyssea. There must be US blood in your body. 200k exp is like 1 evening of AB or two meripos.
Nope, I'm swedish/russian/finnish
No one is saying its impossible.
Are you suggesting though that everyone that are leveling their jobs 75-80 should make a line in korroloka, basically because you dont like abyssea.
You're a sad excuse for a person. Dont like what this game have come to? uninstall.
Edit: I said you can stay @ 75 since you're bitching about everything that isn't like it was 2007
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By Asura.Masekase 2010-07-24 10:51:04
Leviathan.Pimpchan said: Asura.Masekase said: How is it going to be outdated. people will carry on exping in the 3 zones. If other 2 add ons come with more zones bonus. If the gear gets outdated so what took me just over 2 hours for full perle set.
Do you realise that perle set doesn't require you to get the extension, right ? Noone gives a ***about gear than requires 20k gil to get seriously. Don't try to present cruor gear as the reward from abyssea, when everyone, including those that have never bought any expansion, can get it, very easily.
If you had quoted the lines below aswell you would of noticed I was saying the perle set was a bonus it saved me spending 120k for the full set.
Like I explained I went there for the exp everything else was a bonus. Not many places where you can get very high exp and make gil on the side.
Also im glad some people dont buy the expansion. It means I can grab another set and put on AH and make more free gil.
Also decent drops that you can get also free gil.
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Leviathan.Pimpchan
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By Leviathan.Pimpchan 2010-07-24 10:51:20
Carbuncle.Zanno said: Leviathan.Pimpchan said: Carbuncle.Zanno said: I still dont get it what PC is whining about.
If you dont like the expansion, dont get it. Go on and pretend like its 2007, dont do the lv cap ***, stay @ lv 75, keep the awesome 2007 gear you have. How hard can it be?
But dont expect everyone else to live by those rules.
What you think is a waste of time/money/ or w/e, isnt a waste of time or money for 99% of everyone else, it seems.
Accept that and move on ffs lol
I'm not sure why you think it's impossible to get 80 without abyssea. There must be US blood in your body. 200k exp is like 1 evening of AB or two meripos.
Nope, I'm swedish/russian/finnish
No one is saying its impossible.
Are you suggesting though that everyone that are leveling their jobs 75-80 should make a line in korroloka, basically because you dont like abyssea.
You're a sad excuse for a person. Dont like what this game have come to? uninstall.
Edit: I said you can stay @ 75 since you're bitching about everything that isn't like it was 2007
I'm suggesting that if you need 200k exp it's dumb to pay 10€ for abyssea. Just EXP the normal way. I mean we all understood that it's a good thing for the hardcores with 10 level 75...If you want the gear, that's another story. Your post was explicitely saying that not getting abyssea means you are stuck at 75. I mean it only took a few hours to see the first level 80 after the update, because exp is easy even if you don't own the extension.
Midgardsormr.Soki
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By Midgardsormr.Soki 2010-07-24 10:54:33
Midgardsormr.Soki said: Midgardsormr.Soki said: Midgardsormr.Soki said: Midgardsormr.Soki said: Midgardsormr.Soki said: Midgardsormr.Soki said: Leviathan.Pimpchan said: Carbuncle.Lileana said: Lol gotta love how PC calls everyone hardcore for having multiple Jobs lvled and Endgame titles
but Pimpchan- 6 75+ jobs salvage gear, dyna +1 gear,
How do you call people thats has pretty much the same ***you do hardcore yet your casual?
Where did I say I am casual ?
what the hell is going on,
what do you think abyssea is now?
did we answer your question yet? ?
did we?
not yet?
anything change?
again, what do you thing of abyssea now?
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Carbuncle.Zanno
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By Carbuncle.Zanno 2010-07-24 11:00:21
Leviathan.Pimpchan said: Carbuncle.Zanno said: Leviathan.Pimpchan said: Carbuncle.Zanno said: I still dont get it what PC is whining about.
If you dont like the expansion, dont get it. Go on and pretend like its 2007, dont do the lv cap ***, stay @ lv 75, keep the awesome 2007 gear you have. How hard can it be?
But dont expect everyone else to live by those rules.
What you think is a waste of time/money/ or w/e, isnt a waste of time or money for 99% of everyone else, it seems.
Accept that and move on ffs lol
I'm not sure why you think it's impossible to get 80 without abyssea. There must be US blood in your body. 200k exp is like 1 evening of AB or two meripos.
Nope, I'm swedish/russian/finnish
No one is saying its impossible.
Are you suggesting though that everyone that are leveling their jobs 75-80 should make a line in korroloka, basically because you dont like abyssea.
You're a sad excuse for a person. Dont like what this game have come to? uninstall.
Edit: I said you can stay @ 75 since you're bitching about everything that isn't like it was 2007
I'm suggesting that if you need 200k exp it's dumb to pay 10€ for abyssea. Just EXP the normal way. I mean we all understood that it's a good thing for the hardcores with 10 level 75...If you want the gear, that's another story. Your post was explicitely saying that not getting abyssea means you are stuck at 75. I mean it only took a few hours to see the first level 80 after the update, because exp is easy even if you don't own the extension.
jesus *** christ....
if you are so damn piss poor that you gotta cry over 10€ then dont pay the *** 10€. but stop trying to convince everyone that you are right and everyone else is wrong..
What if you wanna lv a job that rarely get invites in regular merit pt's? Those jobs are actually usefull in abyssea.
What mana burn pt makes 250k exp in 4 hours?
You are *** HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE.
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Carbuncle.Lileana
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By Carbuncle.Lileana 2010-07-24 11:01:43
Leviathan.Pimpchan said: Carbuncle.Zanno said: Leviathan.Pimpchan said: Carbuncle.Zanno said: I still dont get it what PC is whining about. If you dont like the expansion, dont get it. Go on and pretend like its 2007, dont do the lv cap ***, stay @ lv 75, keep the awesome 2007 gear you have. How hard can it be? But dont expect everyone else to live by those rules. What you think is a waste of time/money/ or w/e, isnt a waste of time or money for 99% of everyone else, it seems. Accept that and move on ffs lol I'm not sure why you think it's impossible to get 80 without abyssea. There must be US blood in your body. 200k exp is like 1 evening of AB or two meripos. Nope, I'm swedish/russian/finnish No one is saying its impossible. Are you suggesting though that everyone that are leveling their jobs 75-80 should make a line in korroloka, basically because you dont like abyssea. You're a sad excuse for a person. Dont like what this game have come to? uninstall. Edit: I said you can stay @ 75 since you're bitching about everything that isn't like it was 2007 I'm suggesting that if you need 200k exp it's dumb to pay 10€ for abyssea. Just EXP the normal way. I mean we all understood that it's a good thing for the hardcores with 10 level 75...If you want the gear, that's another story. Your post was explicitely saying that not getting abyssea means you are stuck at 75. I mean it only took a few hours to see the first level 80 after the update, because exp is easy even if you don't own the extension.
You just don't get it. You don't just get 200k exp you get alot more exp (don't pay per Abyssea run). You get to actaully have fun playing your job. Not just sit there in a tunnel all day. You have new gear thats pretty decent and easy to get. Don't need alot of ppl to take out the NMs.
You don't like Abyssea ok we all see that. Keep doing your smn burns/merit pts, and your 75 gear. everyone else will do Abyssea and Enjoy it.
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Leviathan.Pimpchan
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By Leviathan.Pimpchan 2010-07-24 11:03:47
Carbuncle.Zanno said:
What mana burn pt makes 250k exp in 4 hours?
You are *** HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE.
You must be new to FFXI.
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By Asura.Masekase 2010-07-24 11:05:14
Pimpchan ok you dont agree with the $10 fee for each add on.
Cool don't buy it but trying too explain too 90% of the other people. Who thinks this add on is pure win is pointless.
The only thing you are doing with arguing with everyone. Is coming across like a jealous spoilt brat whos mummy wont buy them the add ons.
If you had said it about the other add ons most would agree with you. But these add ons are a good move by SE.
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By Valefor.Sketchkat 2010-07-24 11:07:56
Leviathan.Pimpchan said: Carbuncle.Zanno said:
What mana burn pt makes 250k exp in 4 hours?
You are *** HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE.
You must be new to FFXI.
Why are you still beating a dead horse? Everyone else likes Abyssea and thinks it's a great addition to a game that was getting stale...if you don't want it, don't buy it and shut up. Simple.
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Carbuncle.Zanno
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By Carbuncle.Zanno 2010-07-24 11:08:09
Leviathan.Pimpchan said: Carbuncle.Zanno said:
What mana burn pt makes 250k exp in 4 hours?
You are *** HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE.
You must be new to FFXI.
Yeah, obviously I bought my account? Because I dont agree with you right? By that logic everyone BUT you have bought their accounts, since no one is agreeing with you.
Did you play and lv all chars and then sold them to us? Oh mighty FFXI god...
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Leviathan.Pimpchan
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By Leviathan.Pimpchan 2010-07-24 11:09:20
Carbuncle.Lileana said:
You just don't get it. You don't just get 200k exp you get alot more exp ( Quote: don't pay per Abyssea run ).
You have no friends ? Everyone and their sisters wants to AB.
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You get to actaully have fun playing your job. Not just sit there in a tunnel all day. You have new gear thats pretty decent and easy to get. Don't need alot of ppl to take out the NMs.
Considering you require high level to benefit from abyssea exp, you are wrong. You still have to grind low exp rates at one point (for the first 800k exp).
Leviathan.Pimpchan
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By Leviathan.Pimpchan 2010-07-24 11:11:41
Carbuncle.Zanno said: Leviathan.Pimpchan said: Carbuncle.Zanno said:
What mana burn pt makes 250k exp in 4 hours?
You are *** HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE.
You must be new to FFXI.
Yeah, obviously I bought my account? Because I dont agree with you right? By that logic everyone BUT you have bought their accounts, since no one is agreeing with you.
Did you play and lv all chars and then sold them to us? Oh mighty FFXI god...
I didn't say you bought an account , I said you must be new. I think manaburn exp was popular in like 2006 only. BLM had the option to get merits in 2007-2009, it was to level mnk. From 2009-2010 it was AB, liek any other job. So nothing has changed for the supposed hard to get exp jobs.
Carbuncle.Zanno
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By Carbuncle.Zanno 2010-07-24 11:13:25
looking at your job list, I dont even think you have tried a decent abyssea run yet. Come back once you have. lol
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By Asura.Calatilla 2010-07-24 11:14:05
Leviathan.Pimpchan said: Carbuncle.Lileana said:
You just don't get it. You don't just get 200k exp you get alot more exp ( Quote: don't pay per Abyssea run ).
You have no friends ? Everyone and their sisters wants to AB.
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You get to actaully have fun playing your job. Not just sit there in a tunnel all day. You have new gear thats pretty decent and easy to get. Don't need alot of ppl to take out the NMs.
Considering you require high level to benefit from abyssea exp, you are wrong. You still have to grind low exp rates at one point (for the first 800k exp).
Not everyone is doing AB pt`s, I`ve personally turned down AB invites because I don't like them, and if I was interested the only job I have that I wouldn't have to pay for a spot is SMN, and its 51 so I can just take it to Abyssea
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Leviathan.Pimpchan
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By Leviathan.Pimpchan 2010-07-24 11:15:33
Carbuncle.Zanno said: looking at your job list, I dont even think you have tried a decent abyssea run yet. Come back once you have. lol
Another attempt to claim that abyssea is needed to access to the level cap increase ?
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By Carbuncle.Zanno 2010-07-24 11:19:30
Leviathan.Pimpchan said: Carbuncle.Zanno said: looking at your job list, I dont even think you have tried a decent abyssea run yet. Come back once you have. lol
Another attempt to claim that abyssea is needed to access to the level cap increase ?
Nope, but its pretty obvious you havent been trying abyssea yet, and still you are very opinionated about it.
Fail
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By Asura.Masekase 2010-07-24 11:20:25
Leviathan.Pimpchan said: Carbuncle.Lileana said:
You just don't get it. You don't just get 200k exp you get alot more exp ( Quote: don't pay per Abyssea run ).
I have no friends. Everyone and their sisters did want to be in AB parties. How I miss the old days.
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You get to actaully have fun playing your job. Not just sit there in a tunnel all day. You have new gear thats pretty decent and easy to get. Don't need alot of ppl to take out the NMs.
Considering you require high level to benefit from abyssea exp, you are wrong. You still have to grind low exp rates at one point (for the first 800k exp).
Let me fix that for you :)
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By Phoenix.Fredjan 2010-07-24 11:21:02
Carbuncle.Zanno said:
What mana burn pt makes 250k exp in 4 hours?
chigoe burns, but they're not very popular among NAs, and, to do them right, you need at least 2 people with kclubs or octave clubs.
and @ pchan: you're trying too hard.
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Leviathan.Pimpchan
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By Leviathan.Pimpchan 2010-07-24 11:23:15
Carbuncle.Zanno said: Leviathan.Pimpchan said: Carbuncle.Zanno said: looking at your job list, I dont even think you have tried a decent abyssea run yet. Come back once you have. lol
Another attempt to claim that abyssea is needed to access to the level cap increase ?
Nope, but its pretty obvious you havent been trying abyssea yet, and still you are very opinionated about it.
Fail
Abyssea is not only EXP. Did you kill chloris and the mega boss after it ? If no, how are you more entitled than me to judge abyssea ? For the average player, capping is exp will take < 1 week, with any method. So what's left to do ?
Carbuncle.Zanno
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By Carbuncle.Zanno 2010-07-24 11:26:14
Leviathan.Pimpchan said: Carbuncle.Zanno said: Leviathan.Pimpchan said: Carbuncle.Zanno said: looking at your job list, I dont even think you have tried a decent abyssea run yet. Come back once you have. lol
Another attempt to claim that abyssea is needed to access to the level cap increase ?
Nope, but its pretty obvious you havent been trying abyssea yet, and still you are very opinionated about it.
Fail
Abyssea is not only EXP. Did you kill chloris and the mega boss after it ? If no, how are you more entitled than me to judge abyssea ?
so you are doing abyssea, and yet you are here crying about it?
You're even more fail than I first thought.
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By Kailana 2010-07-24 11:27:42
Yeah, cburns make 250k exp in 4 hours, which is why he suggested you're new to FF11. They've existed for a while. :P
*insert some witty line about people not using terms like "HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE" when they don't know what they're talking about/throwing stones when living in glass houses*
I agree with Fred though. pchan, def. trying to hard. Not as hard as Zanno, who is trying epic-fail hard, but def. too hard. :(
DID YOU KNOW: I had tried Abyssea a couple of times before I dinged my first 80. At first we didn't really know how to abuse the treasure box system.
So yeah, judging abyssea run experience /w levels obtained = silly.
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By Kailana 2010-07-24 11:29:03
Carbuncle.Zanno said: Leviathan.Pimpchan said: Carbuncle.Zanno said: Leviathan.Pimpchan said: Carbuncle.Zanno said: looking at your job list, I dont even think you have tried a decent abyssea run yet. Come back once you have. lol
Another attempt to claim that abyssea is needed to access to the level cap increase ?
Nope, but its pretty obvious you havent been trying abyssea yet, and still you are very opinionated about it.
Fail
Abyssea is not only EXP. Did you kill chloris and the mega boss after it ? If no, how are you more entitled than me to judge abyssea ?
so you are doing abyssea, and yet you are here crying about it?
You're even more fail than I first thought.
Maybe he dislikes what he's been trying? It's really not a hard concept to grasp.
He showed you up earlier, let it go. You're -really- trying too hard and it's making you look petty.
Leviathan.Pimpchan
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By Leviathan.Pimpchan 2010-07-24 11:29:42
Carbuncle.Zanno said: Leviathan.Pimpchan said: Carbuncle.Zanno said: Leviathan.Pimpchan said: Carbuncle.Zanno said: looking at your job list, I dont even think you have tried a decent abyssea run yet. Come back once you have. lol
Another attempt to claim that abyssea is needed to access to the level cap increase ?
Nope, but its pretty obvious you havent been trying abyssea yet, and still you are very opinionated about it.
Fail
Abyssea is not only EXP. Did you kill chloris and the mega boss after it ? If no, how are you more entitled than me to judge abyssea ?
so you are doing abyssea, and yet you are here crying about it?
You're even more fail than I first thought.
Don't get mad, some player actually do something in the game beside exping 20 jobs, unlike you.
Side note : I see you level every possible fail jobs. Your PUP is only 8, you make me a sad panda.
edit : your COR is still 23 though, no nothing too wrong.
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By Sylph.Kimble 2010-07-24 11:30:09
So wait, How many level 80 jobs would a Casual player have? 1? Or would they not have a level 80 job at all?
Seems you are basing if someone is casual or not based on the number of jobs they have.
If thats the case, hell, no one in FFXI is casual.
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Leviathan.Pimpchan
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By Leviathan.Pimpchan 2010-07-24 11:32:12
Sylph.Kimble said: I am hardcore.
Indeedly. Hence the thread.
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By Asura.Masekase 2010-07-24 11:33:22
Sylph.Kimble said: So wait, How many level 80 jobs would a Casual player have? 1? Or would they not have a level 80 job at all?
Seems you are basing if someone is casual or not based on the number of jobs they have.
If thats the case, hell, no one in FFXI is casual.
Everyone who has less than him is casual. Anyone with more than him is not casual.
Not too hard too grasp lol
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By Sylph.Kimble 2010-07-24 11:35:12
Leviathan.Pimpchan said: Sylph.Kimble said: I am hardcore.
Indeedly. Hence the thread.
How come you are unable to answer the question? I never said I was a casual player. Im asking YOU which does pertain to the thread you started. Clearly you have a much different opinion on what casual is than the rest of us.
But really, all you do is bring up peoples job levels to determine if they are hardcore or a casual.
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After reading a lot of posts on different websites like ffxiah, alla, BG on abyssea, a lot of people consider abyssea the event "that everyone was waiting", especially "casual" players, whatever that means.
* I have seen reports of 5 hours exp parties in abyssea being awesome - how is that casual ?
* I checked the requirement for Verethragna, the empyrean H2H :
It requires 50 "Two-leaf Chloris Bud" ; this drops from "Chloris", an abyssea NM with unknown drop rate, not 100%. Requirements for popping Chloris are 4 key items :
*Veinous Hecteyes Eyelid => requires killing "Olphanim" not 100%
*Torn Bat Wing => requires killing "Treble Noctules" not 100%
*Gory Scorpion Claw => requires killing "Hedeteted" not 100%
*Mossy Adamantoise Shell => requires killing "Chukwa" not 100%
olphanim requires 3 "rare" items : "Bloodshot Hecteye" "Shriveled Wing" and a "Shriveled Pincer" - which themselves drop from either normal mobs or NMs that requires another item to pop. Hedetet and treble noctules work the same. Chukwa doesn't require pop (key) items.
Poping just *one* Chloris seems like more of a headache than poping a tier4 ZNM or the tier4 VNM, and you need 50 of its drop (hopefully 100% drop rate), making the difficulty to get the item much longer than getting a pandemonium warden drop.
How is this casual ? Did SE really manage to make us pay 10$ for a retardly time consuming event. It's not like Chloris is the only NM looked after, as there is one equivalent for each weapon it seems, and there a lot of other NMs dropping gear.
Did we really get an event 10x more cock blocking than Salvage ? Doing NMs in abyssea is not exactly the same as normal exp, you will quickly consume your time and be only able to enter once every few days alla dynamis/limbus.
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