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 Cerberus.Kvazz
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By Cerberus.Kvazz 2010-06-11 07:40:52  
Bismarck.Yuenna said:
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Now, let's hope QD works with a bow! BLM\COR! Invalid Item Set Probably better sets, I'm just psyched and put together something D:

Here is the definition of quick draw on wiki

Job Ability Shoot a bullet charged with the magical energy of an elemental card. Special items required.
Obtained: Corsair Level 40
Recharge Time: 1:00
Charges: 2
Duration: Instant

To use Quick Draw, the Corsair must have a gun and bullet equipped and must have the appropriate card in their inventory (e.g. Light Shot requires a Light Card


So unless there is a gun out there that other jobs besided rng or cor can use.. Not many people will be using QD.

Not like it ever have been tested with a bow, so we can't know for sure.
But read my post like alittle further down from that one, I said it wont be worth it anyways. I were just psyched and spoke before I did any math on it.


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RNG\COR with Culverin+1 and Heavy shell will pull off some sexy QD for sure ;)
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By Quetzalcoatl.Ouchie 2010-06-11 07:41:09  
Siren.Thoraeon said:
With only 2 max stratagems and only getting stratagems once every 2 minutes, it is impossible for them to maintain both cycyles symultaneously using only Accession. There will not be enough stratagems.
Simple solution: stagger casts. Put up accession haste then wait two minutes before putting up accession refresh. Cast refresh normally for the first run of the cycle.
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By Siren.Thoraeon 2010-06-11 07:50:34  
Quetzalcoatl.Ouchie said:
Siren.Thoraeon said:
With only 2 max stratagems and only getting stratagems once every 2 minutes, it is impossible for them to maintain both cycyles symultaneously using only Accession. There will not be enough stratagems.
Simple solution: stagger casts. Put up accession haste then wait two minutes before putting up accession refresh. Cast refresh normally for the first run of the cycle.

Won't work. It is a short term solution that delays the inevitable running out of stratagems.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Ouchie 2010-06-11 08:02:36  
Siren.Thoraeon said:
Quetzalcoatl.Ouchie said:
Siren.Thoraeon said:
With only 2 max stratagems and only getting stratagems once every 2 minutes, it is impossible for them to maintain both cycyles symultaneously using only Accession. There will not be enough stratagems.
Simple solution: stagger casts. Put up accession haste then wait two minutes before putting up accession refresh. Cast refresh normally for the first run of the cycle.

Won't work. It is a short term solution that delays the inevitable running out of stratagems.
You're assuming I'm planning on letting the spells ride out their full duration after that. I'll take the hit on MP cost if it means keeping up with buffs by alternating between accession haste and accession refresh every two minutes. It's still less of a pain than casting on each target individually, and assuming you're hasting or refreshing at least three targets, it's still more MP efficient as well.

That said, I don't know of many instances where I'm casting both haste and refresh anyway, or at least not on enough targets to justify turning both into AoE.
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By Siren.Thoraeon 2010-06-11 08:09:00  
Quetzalcoatl.Ouchie said:
Siren.Thoraeon said:
Quetzalcoatl.Ouchie said:
Siren.Thoraeon said:
With only 2 max stratagems and only getting stratagems once every 2 minutes, it is impossible for them to maintain both cycyles symultaneously using only Accession. There will not be enough stratagems.
Simple solution: stagger casts. Put up accession haste then wait two minutes before putting up accession refresh. Cast refresh normally for the first run of the cycle.
Won't work. It is a short term solution that delays the inevitable running out of stratagems.
You're assuming I'm planning on letting the spells ride out their full duration after that. I'll take the hit on MP cost if it means keeping up with buffs by alternating between accession haste and accession refresh every two minutes. It's still less of a pain than casting on each target individually, and assuming you're hasting or refreshing at least three targets, it's still more MP efficient as well. That said, I don't know of many instances where I'm casting both haste and refresh anyway, or at least not on enough targets to justify turning both into AoE.
I never said that you would maintain both at the same time, I am just saying that you can't do it soley using Accession. If you alternate stratagems like you mentioned, you would have 1 min gaps in haste, and 1.5 min gaps in refresh.
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By Siren.Kuz 2010-06-11 08:40:25  
Shiva.Weewoo said:
I wonder if /cor will have appeal now due to evoker's roll and QD being available to some mages.

Sorry I'm Late on this, and If it was already discussed in the last 4 pages, again...sorry.

Mage subbing COR just to Evoker's itself would probably gimp your Mage Job.

Not to mention... how do you plan on QDing without a Gun or Bullet to equip?
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By Asura.Rule 2010-06-11 09:08:59  
i hope they announce something for Pld in the next week ^^

and wtf with the gimping of shadowbind? really...
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By Bismarck.Dracondria 2010-06-11 09:19:48  
Woot stunga! Though I can't think of any situation that I'll use it in.
 
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By Odin.Zicdeh 2010-06-11 09:29:45  
Ifrit.Eikechi said:
if anybody is getting regain its sam and/or dnc

I've always thought Beastmaster should get an Auto-Regain (1-2TP/tic) Job trait. Just how beastmaster fights, it's the only one that makes sense, without being borkeded as a muthafucka.

Btw, SAM already has Regain, it's called Meditate.


Speaking of lolbst, That Libra ability looks like it's animated like a "Scanning" Ability... Wikipedia just got the best tool ever for data collection?! That assumes a great many things, but still.


This level cap increase isn't really going to be changing the game that dramatically though. Aside from jobs that already subbed Red Mage, subbing Red mage, And Hastega, the difference will probably be likened to the bonus you feel from a stock 75 job, to a fully merited 75job. Big, but not really game changing.
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By Ramuh.Haseyo 2010-06-11 09:34:30  
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and wtf with the gimping of shadowbind? really...

You aren't serious, are you?
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By Asura.Rule 2010-06-11 09:37:15  
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and wtf with the gimping of shadowbind? really...

I guess they don't want an alliance of blm/rng killing stuff in a "HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE" way =P

OMG thats a great idea!

too bad i hate playing blm
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By Odin.Zicdeh 2010-06-11 09:37:31  
Ramuh.Haseyo said:
Asura.Rule said:
and wtf with the gimping of shadowbind? really...

You aren't serious, are you?
18 BLM/RNG take down AV!


I hope shadowbind is Easy to land with COR/RNG though, Great support with additional "OSHIT HALP" Support = Win! And that's before adding the totally respectable damage capabilities of the job combo.
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By Unicorn.Ryuchan 2010-06-11 09:37:49  
I could see them gimping Convert for sub purposes, kind of like they watered down Sublimation for sub purposes. They (obviously) haven't said anything, but I always just assumed that's what they'd do based on their previous actions.

Also, Ballad III, {Can I have it?}
(Although I think when this was originally .dat mined years ago it was placed at a level 85 song, so maybe we'll have to wait another update)

Massacre Elegy would be pretty sweet...
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By Bismarck.Helixx 2010-06-11 09:39:29  
Asura.Rule said:
i hope they announce something for Pld in the next week ^^

and wtf with the gimping of shadowbind? really...


18 BLM/rng.

Freeze2 shadowbind. for eternity
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By Siren.Thoraeon 2010-06-11 09:41:10  
I thought that Sublimation was the same for /SCH.
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By Ifrit.Darkanaseur 2010-06-11 09:43:56  
Still have my money on vert/fresh being gimped as sub.
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By Odin.Zicdeh 2010-06-11 09:44:06  
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I thought that Sublimation was the same for /SCH.


It is, but Sublimation has a few key weakness that make it a fairly poor choice for sub.

First off, as of now, you're locked at 2mp/tic. This wouldn't be an issue, except for the second issue, it blocks the spell Refresh from taking effect.

Scholar can get 4mp/tic which makes it theoretically better than the Refresh spell, but that requires gear to idle in. Hopefully something like a Ring slot for all jobs that boosts Sublimation effect is released. 5mp/tic for SCH and 3mp/tic for /SCH, not a bad proposition.
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By Titan.Cripnicc 2010-06-11 09:45:18  
How many ppl will it take to take down byakko now? any guesses? i say a party of 6
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By Cerberus.Kvazz 2010-06-11 09:46:42  
Titan.Cripnicc said:
How many ppl will it take to take down byakko now? any guesses? i say a party of 6

that's allready enough
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By Ifrit.Darkanaseur 2010-06-11 09:47:09  
Already takes 6.
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By Siren.Thoraeon 2010-06-11 09:50:18  
Odin.Zicdeh said:
Siren.Thoraeon said:
I thought that Sublimation was the same for /SCH.
It is, but Sublimation has a few key weakness that make it a fairly poor choice for sub. First off, as of now, you're locked at 2mp/tic. This wouldn't be an issue, except for the second issue, it blocks the spell Refresh from taking effect. Scholar can get 4mp/tic which makes it theoretically better than the Refresh spell, but that requires gear to idle in. Hopefully something like a Ring slot for all jobs that boosts Sublimation effect is released. 5mp/tic for SCH and 3mp/tic for /SCH, not a bad proposition.

True, but SE did nothing to "water down Sublimation." They just boosted it with gear for SCH only. I like the boost sublimation proposition.
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By Titan.Cripnicc 2010-06-11 09:50:38  
hmmm i've been in partys of 18 that have lost to byakko ><
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By Midgardsormr.Katashuro 2010-06-11 09:51:00  
Titan.Cripnicc said:
How many ppl will it take to take down byakko now? any guesses? i say a party of 6

lol
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By Titan.Cripnicc 2010-06-11 09:52:12  
I would like to SEE a party of 6 take him down, i'm not saying it cannot be done but until i see it, iono. pls send link of video footage
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By Siren.Thoraeon 2010-06-11 09:52:51  
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Still have my money on vert/fresh being gimped as sub.

SE gimps JA not MA. Refresh will be the same. If anything, they will make it a lvl 50 spell or make Refresh II.
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By Titan.Cripnicc 2010-06-11 09:53:33  
and why dont they show stat's on weapons for the new add-on until i see some stats im not getting add-on
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By Asura.Rule 2010-06-11 09:54:46  
thf/whm for farming with haste
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By Ifrit.Darkanaseur 2010-06-11 09:59:07  
Siren.Thoraeon said:
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Still have my money on vert/fresh being gimped as sub.

SE gimps JA not MA. Refresh will be the same. If anything, they will make it a lvl 50 spell or make Refresh II.

It would depend on how big the mp pool becomes, and more so how costly the newer spells will be to warrant a higher refresh. If they don't though, then it'd make sense to gimp the spell as a sub.
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By Fairy.Basilo 2010-06-11 09:59:20  
How certain are we uncap 80 upwards works in current dynamis zones?
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