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NIN Can't DD
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2010-05-18 11:51:11
Quetzalcoatl.Dawnn said: @ Argettio
is dual wield calculated in that? not from gear but from natural traits?
not that it'd change the difference that much but still should be accounted for 240 delay for the NIN says yes.
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By Bahamut.Drakkalan 2010-05-18 11:54:09
War is actually the best DD...not Sam.
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 Cerberus.Godlyhank
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By Cerberus.Godlyhank 2010-05-18 12:06:16
Bahamut.Drakkalan said: War is actually the best DD...not Sam. You know i actually agree with you, but on average SAM>WAR if WAR pull their finger out though they rape... only things i have seen Warriors do in Meritpo 1K+ Kings justice and 700+ Raging Rush (Ok some bad ones, the odd 150 LOL), and if they have the right gear, they can attack pretty fast too, with high double attack rate, but yea on topic, NIN Ftw! ;o
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By Bismarck.Dracondria 2010-05-18 12:12:20
War can break 2k with Raging Rush if they get crit procs >_>
 Carbuncle.Sevourn
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By Carbuncle.Sevourn 2010-05-18 12:13:51
Cerberus.Godlyhank said: Bahamut.Drakkalan said: War is actually the best DD...not Sam. You know i actually agree with you, but on average SAM>WAR if WAR pull their finger out though they rape... only things i have seen Warriors do in Meritpo 1K Kings justice and 700 Raging Rush (Ok some bad ones, the odd 150 LOL), and if they have the right gear, they can attack pretty fast too, with high double attack rate, but yea on topic, NIN Ftw! ;o
wait, what? 700? are they naked?
 Fairy.Maimed
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By Fairy.Maimed 2010-05-18 12:13:55
WAR < SAM < WAR
Samurais pull ahead on high level NMs until WARs get a barrage of buffs (ie 3 brd rotation) because their multi-hit weaponskills start to outshine SAMs. Otherwise hagun SAMs pull ahead thanks to the stupidly high accuracy of single hit weaponskills.
Samurais offer more tools than WAR. The ability to generate TP without having to strike mobs is a great tool for both limiting mob TP gain but also to generate TP while on the go (ie Nyzul). Plus SAMs are better equipped to handle blink tanking compared to WARs.
* Naturally everything in this post is subject to both the SAM and WAR being equally geared and skill set being similar.
Carbuncle.Sevourn
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By Carbuncle.Sevourn 2010-05-18 12:18:12
can we just agree that sam/war and war/sam are pretty much neck and neck?
admittedly, sam/nin>war/nin >.>
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Cerberus.Godlyhank
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By Cerberus.Godlyhank 2010-05-18 12:34:58
Carbuncle.Sevourn said: can we just agree that sam/war and war/sam are pretty much neck and neck? admittedly, sam/nin>war/nin >.> i was sure i put +s on dmg xD, but yea agreed ;o
Sylph.Vestal
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By Sylph.Vestal 2010-05-18 13:13:20
ac Alexander.Temaruma said: Sylph.Vestal said: Were forgetting that sams weaponskills seem to miss a decent amount.
Ninjas cap accuracy guys My ninja caps acc.
Bahamut.Lalo
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By Bahamut.Lalo 2010-05-18 13:21:15
Bismarck.Dracondria said: War can break 2k with Raging Rush if they get crit procs >_>
Crit and Double attack.
Cerberus.Godlyhank
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By Cerberus.Godlyhank 2010-05-18 13:38:12
In terms of potential PUP and its puppet can have the best dmg, and the best DoT hahahaha, jkin ;o, but seriously pups have the potential to pwn now xD
 Alexander.Temaruma
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By Alexander.Temaruma 2010-05-18 14:01:13
Sylph.Vestal said: ac Alexander.Temaruma said: Sylph.Vestal said: Were forgetting that sams weaponskills seem to miss a decent amount. Ninjas cap accuracy guys My ninja caps acc.
assuming no kikoku.. u have 81% hit rate for landing all hits of jin, sams have 95% <,<
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By Asura.Calatilla 2010-05-18 14:03:03
Post was called Nin cant DD, (which it can). Not Nin can out DD a sam.
Just because a Nin cant out-parse a similar equiped sam does`nt mean it can`t DD
Fairy.Maimed
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By Fairy.Maimed 2010-05-18 14:18:51
1 handers are not respectable DDs since the 2handed update. No matter what people say, 1 Handers do not compare against 2 Handers unless you put an ungodly amount of effort to bring them up to par. Even then, if you put half as much work into a 2Hander you'd be legendary.
TLDR; Nins will never be considered powerhouse DDs, so don't fool yourself into thinking it's possible.
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By Asura.Calatilla 2010-05-18 14:24:29
It isn`t about comparing the jobs, nin can DD, just not as good as 2 handers, no point comparing them because they`re not the same
 Pandemonium.Machiaveli
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By Pandemonium.Machiaveli 2010-05-18 14:44:17
I don't really know alot about NIN but guys come on wouldn't that be fun in a merit party :D?
Valefor.Argettio
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By Valefor.Argettio 2010-05-18 14:49:25
Pandemonium.Machiaveli said: I don't really know alot about NIN but guys come on wouldn't that be fun in a merit party :D?
Byakko's, Turban, Dusk+1 and maybe AF+1 body.
1 handers need to embrace sushi/pizza
Diabolos.Ghlin
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By Diabolos.Ghlin 2010-05-18 14:53:10
i think he's thinking full usu for accuracy for klub
Sylph.Vestal
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By Sylph.Vestal 2010-05-18 14:53:59
@Temaruma, quotes not working but I do have Kikoku, so assume differently. Still I'm just saying what we are all saying, nin can dd. Topic is a lie!
Sylph.Kozuki
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By Sylph.Kozuki 2010-05-18 14:54:48
Full usu is +9 acc over mix and match.
Sylph.Vestal
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By Sylph.Vestal 2010-05-18 14:56:30
Diabolos.Ghlin said: i think he's thinking full usu for accuracy for klub Using kikoku/ kraken club only really works with club merits, have tried it with full usu, it's not worth it. Since dropping club merits it's pretty dum to even take to birds. Mamools idk, with good food I guess it might work, gives me something to do tonight.
Sylph.Kozuki
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By Sylph.Kozuki 2010-05-18 14:58:59
E-rated weapon for a job that does very little WS damage and is mostly DOT damage, no point in using a kclub.
Valefor.Argettio
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By Valefor.Argettio 2010-05-18 14:59:08
9acc vs 8 haste
Simple
Sylph.Kozuki
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By Sylph.Kozuki 2010-05-18 15:01:00
8 haste? It's like 2%...
Valefor.Argettio
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By Valefor.Argettio 2010-05-18 15:08:39
I forgot the set bonus,
But breaking the set = -5
Turban = +2
Byakkos = +2
Dusk+1 = +4
So 3 haste.
Depending on hit rate 3 haste could well bead 9acc.
Sylph.Kozuki
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By Sylph.Kozuki 2010-05-18 15:11:32
dusk +1!
:(
Generally, its 2% because dusk +1 isn't common.
Valefor.Argettio
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By Valefor.Argettio 2010-05-18 15:14:23
Are KC, full Usu, N.sash, Kikoku or Mars Ring?
Alexander.Temaruma
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By Alexander.Temaruma 2010-05-18 15:14:32
Sylph.Vestal said: @Temaruma, quotes not working but I do have Kikoku, so assume differently. Still I'm just saying what we are all saying, nin can dd. Topic is a lie!
doesnt really change much, just means sams whiff 5% of the time like always while your whiffing a hit 10% of the time
Seraph.Rafik
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By Seraph.Rafik 2010-05-18 15:15:20
Bare this in mind. How many times you going to get decked out dd in a pickup meripo? So far most of the sams on bismark like to use great katana on birds over polearm... Well in the meripos that I have been since I came back.
Leviathan.Abriel
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By Leviathan.Abriel 2010-05-18 15:16:18
~3% difference in haste (if wiki's right about full set being 13%) then DW trait from body. I don't think full usu's ever been better than mix+match for nin with gear options that have been available since it (usu.) came out.
Thats what everyone says anyway.
Had an ls party on birds and I went as nin just for fun, and parsed it.
result:
bobbys: WAR
Wesknight: SAM
Sesshoummaru: RNG
Zanno: NIN
Murr: SCH
Asayla: BRD
inb4 "the others must suck"
They all had avarage gear, and my nin doesnt have anything special either really
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