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 Unicorn.Emirii
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By Unicorn.Emirii 2010-01-08 23:14:20  
So Firefox has been on my bad side lately, and I mean bad. It's been freezing, crashing plugins, slow, and not even working properly. And this isn't just on my computer, it's on both my laptops and just about every friend i've spoke to about it. The window would freeze when i load up facebook, taking up to 30 seconds to unfreeze. It would take my mouse curser away for a few seconds (which piss me off). It makes my youtube videos freeze momentarily, skipping part of the video.

I have been tracking the usage in the taskbar, and today it came to a woping 840,445KB of usage. WTF firefox? Do you REALLY need all that? It's been trending up, at any given time it could be at 300,000KB and up. Where as IE would only be taking up a nice clean 60,000KB, when it has been running all day with multiple websites up.

Before you start saying "Just reinstall it and run with no plugins!" I've done that. And I've done just about everything else to it. It's FIREFOX IT'S SELF, the whole program, the big one it's self. It takes just as many recourses with no plugins, and google.com as the only website visited as it does with plugins.

So here's the thing that really makes me laugh. When my Firefox is acting up that bad, I just switch to IE. IE is a perfect world, a whole other deminsion in browsing experiance. Compared to how my Firefox is being, its like heaven. Now I've been a long time Firefox fan, and to see IE laugh in it's face is almost rediculous. I'm starting to like IE.

So I am asking, because i'll probably never go back to firefox unless they can prove to beat IE's speed. I know IE has some security issues, and before I do my usual routine of banking, FFXIing, and others, I want to make sure I'm safe. Here's what I'm asking. I have found a temporary fix of adblocking, which seems to work. But does anyone know anything similar to noscript or flashblock, or some extra security features availiable in IE? It saddens me I acutally have to face that ugly blue E every time I want to surf the web, but firefox really has been turning me off lately.

Now I hope this doesn't turn into an IE V.S. Firefox thread because that's not the intent, just pointing out that my Firefox has gone to the crapper lately, and it isn't just me. Please input some advice for IE.

Also, I hate to say it, but a spellchecker for it might not be so bad either (if you know what i mean)
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2010-01-08 23:19:29  
Well I've never run crazy addons but haven't really had security issues cept that one time when I shipped my comp and the people that shipped it clearly opened it up disabled my norton and other stuff and as far as I can tell tried to dl as much spyware/virus/adware/etc as possible. Oh yeah they also got it wet and told me I shouldn't try turning it on for a few days... /sigh

So after getting all that ***off got avg and avast and things work just fine.

I do online banking and purchasing and everything has worked out fine.
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By Siren.Eagleeyes 2010-01-08 23:22:00  
I'll bop you if you use IE.


http://www.google.com/intl/en/landing/chrome/beta/


Mirosoft's non web standards compliant browser is just plain garbage.

Also Chrome is currently the fastest browser on the market followed by Safari, Firefox, Opera then Internet Explorer on a windows system

http://service.futuremark.com/peacekeeper/index.action

http://www2.webkit.org/perf/sunspider-0.9/sunspider.html

http://acid3.acidtests.org/
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By Kujata.Erim 2010-01-08 23:22:04  
IE is completely safe as long as you don't do anything dumb and get yourself infected, which honestly, is just as likely to happen under Firefox. People like to bash Microsoft just because it's Microsoft when the truth is... they've come a very long way when it comes to security. If you plan on keeping IE your main browser, that's a fine decision. So is using Firefox as your main browser (if it worked).

Personally, I hate Firefox, like Chrome, and like Internet Explorer, but that's just me.
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By Unicorn.Emirii 2010-01-08 23:24:31  
I'm pretty sure IE 8 fixed a lot of the security stuff that 6 and 7 had.. I have Avast and it alerts me when just about anything is downloaded or on my computer which i like. All this IE bashing that people are doing probably havent tried it out in a few months/years. I finally took a peek at it myself and it's not that bad at all after i got fed up with Firefox. I like firefox's addon capability I wish there were more things for IE, but i'll keep googlin and checking back to see if anyone has anything.

I tried Chrome a few months ago, it was kinda weird to me. I felt lost *lol*

Thanks for your advice, probably about to set it as my default browser. The only places i go are FFXIAH, FFXIclopedia, Yahoo, Facebook, some other sites etc. Nothing too interesting like porn or warez :P So I think I will be safe lol
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2010-01-08 23:26:47  
Kujata.Erim said:
IE is completely safe as long as you don't do anything dumb and get yourself infected,
This lol. Though really even if you do stupid stuff you can still be fine if you have decent programs for viruses/spyware etc on your comp. Many of which are free
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By Fairy.Azulmagia 2010-01-08 23:27:40  
Security and standards compliance aren't interchangeable terms. Webmasters shouldn't have to jump through extra hoops just to please IE users.
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2010-01-08 23:29:48  
Fairy.Azulmagia said:
Security and standards compliance aren't interchangeable terms. Webmasters shouldn't have to jump through extra hoops just to please IE users.
Seeing as IE was around first sounds more like they really doing that for the others lol
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By Siren.Eagleeyes 2010-01-08 23:30:42  
Fairy.Azulmagia said:
Security and standards compliance aren't interchangeable terms. Webmasters shouldn't have to jump through extra hoops just to please IE users.

This. This is why Internet Explorer isn't included in current copies of Vista/Win7 in Europe. Due to some royalty law or something
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By Kujata.Erim 2010-01-08 23:31:24  
No web browser adheres to standard compliance, they merely try their best to ensure better interoperability. Of the web browsers available, I believe Opera adheres to these standards the most but I personally don't like their browser at all, which is sad because I use to love it and they were the first browser to support tabs!
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By Siren.Eagleeyes 2010-01-08 23:32:14  
Ramuh.Dasva said:
Fairy.Azulmagia said:
Security and standards compliance aren't interchangeable terms. Webmasters shouldn't have to jump through extra hoops just to please IE users.
Seeing as IE was around first sounds more like they really doing that for the others lol



Internet Explorer was not the first web browser.

Mosaic was.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mosaic_%28web_browser%29
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By Siren.Eagleeyes 2010-01-08 23:33:40  
Kujata.Erim said:
No web browser adheres to standard compliance, they merely try their best to ensure better interoperability. Of the web browsers available, I believe Opera adheres to these standards the most but I personally don't like their browser at all, which is sad because I use to love it and they were the first browser to support tabs!



One of the leaders of the web standards compliance is a developer of the Opera team.
 
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2010-01-08 23:35:09  
Siren.Eagleeyes said:
Ramuh.Dasva said:
Fairy.Azulmagia said:
Security and standards compliance aren't interchangeable terms. Webmasters shouldn't have to jump through extra hoops just to please IE users.
Seeing as IE was around first sounds more like they really doing that for the others lol
Internet Explorer was not the first web browser.
Mosaic was.
Of the ones we were discussing duh
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By Siren.Eagleeyes 2010-01-08 23:43:09  
Unicorn.Aymie said:
Sorry buddy.. Chrome has more problems than IE. It also takes up about as much usage and Firefox does now. Right now my FF is using 162,448 KB while my IE is only at 35,896, both of which have multiple windows. Whenever I use Chrome, it runs about the same, if not worse than FF.

There's also a lot of security issues with Chrome that can be exploited with the push of a button, and many sites are already infected and don't even know it. Chrome is out of the question for me.


You're not talking about the webkit engine exploits from 08 are you?
Quite a bit of those were fixed.
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By Fairy.Azulmagia 2010-01-08 23:43:11  
I like Opera but it's not open-source. Depending on your stance in the software community, this may or may not be an issue.
 
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By Siren.Eagleeyes 2010-01-08 23:52:27  
Fairy.Azulmagia said:
I like Opera but it's not open-source. Depending on your stance in the software community, this may or may not be an issue.



Opera is a good browser and the whole closed source doesn't bother me. It's just well slower compared to the others with certain elements.I am looking for to their new web engine in 10.50's release with the focus on speed, it's very buggy at the moment.
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By Siren.Eagleeyes 2010-01-08 23:54:57  
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Nope, there's still a lot more and whenever I use Chrome when working on my website, I get a lot of time-out errors.


Time out errors? Never heard about that. You outta report it. Sounds more like a DNS error *shrugs*


Also what are you using?


OS
ISP connection type
and are you using ethernet or wireless?

Also what version of chrome is this? Is the DNS prefetch option ticked?
 
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By Siren.Eagleeyes 2010-01-09 00:06:11  
Unicorn.Aymie said:
server error 500


usually a 500 error is a internal problem with the website... odd.


lol there's only so much I know about webkit and chrome. I would report it.

http://code.google.com/p/chromium/

along with the sites in question *shrug*


I would also contact the sites' admins about it.
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By Diabolos.Rydiya 2010-01-09 00:06:43  
Unicorn.Emirii said:
IE is a perfect world, a whole other deminsion in browsing experiance. Compared to how my Firefox is being, its like heaven. Now I've been a long time Firefox fan, and to see IE laugh in it's face is almost rediculous. I'm starting to like IE.

So I am asking, because i'll probably never go back to firefox unless they can prove to beat IE's speed. I know IE has some security issues, and before I do my usual routine of banking, FFXIing, and others, I want to make sure I'm safe.

I would strongly advise getting Chrome, and installing the Adblock extension.
 
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By Siren.Eagleeyes 2010-01-09 00:15:18  
Diabolos.Rydiya said:
Unicorn.Emirii said:
IE is a perfect world, a whole other deminsion in browsing experiance. Compared to how my Firefox is being, its like heaven. Now I've been a long time Firefox fan, and to see IE laugh in it's face is almost rediculous. I'm starting to like IE.

So I am asking, because i'll probably never go back to firefox unless they can prove to beat IE's speed. I know IE has some security issues, and before I do my usual routine of banking, FFXIing, and others, I want to make sure I'm safe.

I would strongly advise getting Chrome, and installing the Adblock extension.


The "adblockers" on chrome don't actually block ads. They just hide them, this is due to webkit's design and the fact google doesn't really want you to block their ads. lol
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By Unicorn.Emirii 2010-01-09 00:16:35  
Diabolos.Rydiya said:
Unicorn.Emirii said:
IE is a perfect world, a whole other deminsion in browsing experiance. Compared to how my Firefox is being, its like heaven. Now I've been a long time Firefox fan, and to see IE laugh in it's face is almost rediculous. I'm starting to like IE. So I am asking, because i'll probably never go back to firefox unless they can prove to beat IE's speed. I know IE has some security issues, and before I do my usual routine of banking, FFXIing, and others, I want to make sure I'm safe.
I would strongly advise getting Chrome, and installing the Adblock extension.

I might try chrome again, I was trying to find skins/themese for IE and found out there wasn't any. Is there for Chrome?
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By Siren.Eagleeyes 2010-01-09 00:19:25  
Unicorn.Emirii said:
Diabolos.Rydiya said:
Unicorn.Emirii said:
IE is a perfect world, a whole other deminsion in browsing experiance. Compared to how my Firefox is being, its like heaven. Now I've been a long time Firefox fan, and to see IE laugh in it's face is almost rediculous. I'm starting to like IE. So I am asking, because i'll probably never go back to firefox unless they can prove to beat IE's speed. I know IE has some security issues, and before I do my usual routine of banking, FFXIing, and others, I want to make sure I'm safe.
I would strongly advise getting Chrome, and installing the Adblock extension.

I might try chrome again, I was trying to find skins/themese for IE and found out there wasn't any. Is there for Chrome?

Yep.


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By Kujata.Erim 2010-01-09 00:19:27  
Chrome supports skins, but I think they look pretty ugly personally.
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By Seraph.Caiyuo 2010-01-09 00:39:06  
Once IE began to lose significant market share to Firefox and now Chrome they improved their browser quite a bit so if you can get past the lack of extras/extensions that Fx and Chrome provide then IE's probably completely fine. I don't know of any similar ways to get a real ad-blocker or script and flash blocking working in IE, though.

Also, Chrome has skins but last I saw the choices were pretty limited, but I think they open up theming to independent artists as well so there's likely more and more added over time.
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By Seraph.Jacon 2010-01-09 00:45:47  
If you use IE no matter what the version you are at risk. Firefox with it's quality addons is the most consistent and reliable browser for personal and business needs.

My card/log in add on with my norton via firefox is just pure win. No keystroke bs. Never never never will I ever use IE again. Firefox only crashes if you don't keep it updated or you run addons that have not updated themselves accordingly to the latest firefox version fast enough.

a broken firefox > internet explorer
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2010-01-09 00:49:40  
a browser that runs on like 50k>>>>> one that can use a good 800k, Especially if you are on an old comp that doesn't even have that much lol
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