Atoyac with Crit Damage +2% would probably perform better than WSD +2% since it'll help your melee damage as well. Bonus points for being useful on COR (meleeing, Evisceration) and RNG (specifically Jishnu's) as well.
As for Mandalic Stab unstacked, even with Rudra's insane ftp, it still is a matter of attack vs defense. With Vajra, on high defense enemies, you'd be better spamming Mandalic at 1000% (unless you have grand SC plans) than using Rudra's, even if you held til 1750%.
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To a lesser extent War? Outside of Mighty Strikes War is absolutely horrible right now and pretty far away from Drk. You basically have to have Conquerer or you can't even play that job. I'm not saying Drk is good but it's by far better than War and Pup. I'd put Drk in the same tier as Nin/Mnk/Blu/non-Ryuno Drg.
Gonna have to disagree with basically all of that.
Just on the premise that it's very rare to see an Atoyac with Crit damage.
WSD is for the Anni rangers. Crit RATE would be the better option for people not using it for Coro.
Rudra's all the things. No one should spam tp moves at 1000% on THF.
1000% doesn't exist.
Just on the premise that it's very rare to see an Atoyac with Crit damage.
WSD is for the Anni rangers. Crit RATE would be the better option for people not using it for Coro.
Rudra's all the things. No one should spam tp moves at 1000% on THF.
1000% doesn't exist.
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Yeah I have WSD Atoyac for Rng and would never change it. I will say that 1000% can exist, if the mobs are going to be 1 shot anyways. The majority of mobs I kill on Thf now can be 1 shot by a 1000 TP Rudras.
I agree that WSD would be better for RNG, simply saying it's not entirely a wasted augment depending on your WS options. My spreadsheet shows crit damage pulling ahead of both crit rate and crit damage for THF.
For the 1000% thing, I think you missed the part where I included that this applied only to unstacked Mandalic Stab for Vajra owners on high defense enemies.
For the 1000% thing, I think you missed the part where I included that this applied only to unstacked Mandalic Stab for Vajra owners on high defense enemies.
I was responding to Valli, didn't even see what he was responding to.
Oh, I was responding mostly to Valli too. Sorry if that mixed ya up
Asura.Failaras said: »
Yeah I have WSD Atoyac for Rng and would never change it. I will say that 1000% can exist, if the mobs are going to be 1 shot anyways. The majority of mobs I kill on Thf now can be 1 shot by a 1000 TP Rudras.
Yeah, 1000% Rudra's unstacked is literally all you need in Dynamis.
Proc > Rudra's > Proc > Rudra's. Can 1-shot any of those normal mobs at any percent with it.
I mean there's like 17 vajras globally. That scenario really doesn't exist.
And While I won't disagree with it yet, I'm pretty sure it's still wrong.
I'll know for sure in a week.
Was doing that before the update too. Just rudra's had that chance to miss. You ws when you proc not when you hit 1000%. It could be before 1000% it could be after you have 3000% you're not "spamming it".
And While I won't disagree with it yet, I'm pretty sure it's still wrong.
I'll know for sure in a week.
Quetzalcoatl.Wakmidget said: »
Yeah, 1000% Rudra's unstacked is literally all you need in Dynamis.
Proc > Rudra's > Proc > Rudra's. Can 1-shot any of those normal mobs at any percent with it.
Proc > Rudra's > Proc > Rudra's. Can 1-shot any of those normal mobs at any percent with it.
Was doing that before the update too. Just rudra's had that chance to miss. You ws when you proc not when you hit 1000%. It could be before 1000% it could be after you have 3000% you're not "spamming it".
Bismarck.Josiahfk said: »
Is there really that many vajra119 made? Wow.
That many?
I would say its a quite low number.
Half of them were RMT'd as a joke. LOLigotaVajralol.
Couple were built due to the ability to produce unlimited alexandrite.
And then, like 3 were legit wanted/earned.
Couple were built due to the ability to produce unlimited alexandrite.
And then, like 3 were legit wanted/earned.
Quetzalcoatl.Valli said: »
loldnc.
Koga SAM > Ryu DRG > Mediocre SAM > Vajra THF > MandauTHF > MNK > loldnc
Give or take, opinion etc.
Koga SAM > Ryu DRG > Mediocre SAM > Vajra THF > MandauTHF > MNK > loldnc
Give or take, opinion etc.
Pretty sure drk still beats mnk.
Ok, so, back to the topic at hand. Rudras.
I changed the ftp values to reflect the new update. Best in slot neck/back were not elemental, but DEX. From trivial, all the way to the 126 rabbit, Tojil, Alima.
Unstacked, SA and TA...
1 Dex is worth like 6 AGI on TARudra...
Don't quote me as law though... but, I couldn't make gorget/belt win any scenario over DEX.
I changed the ftp values to reflect the new update. Best in slot neck/back were not elemental, but DEX. From trivial, all the way to the 126 rabbit, Tojil, Alima.
Unstacked, SA and TA...
1 Dex is worth like 6 AGI on TARudra...
Don't quote me as law though... but, I couldn't make gorget/belt win any scenario over DEX.
So, Chiner's +1 BiS for Rudra's now, or Wanion for the STR as well? And how about neck? I can't think of anything DEX oriented to save my life.
Shifting +1 > Love/Moepapa Necks w/ Dex
Chiner's is still bad. Artful+1 for lowlevel, Wanion for High level.
Also that Stacking w/ Kayapa / Cavaros are really close. Situations.
Couple pages back asked brought up levi so:
Chiner's is still bad. Artful+1 for lowlevel, Wanion for High level.
Also that Stacking w/ Kayapa / Cavaros are really close. Situations.
Couple pages back asked brought up levi so:
Odin.Shaggnix said: »
Pantafernando said: »
Giaden said: »
After doing Headwind light night, figure best to bring in two thfs and two plds. Probably take down each nm with a couple of Rudra's w/ SCs and not worry about bringing anything else.
~Edit: For most HT fights at that, long as they can survive a couple AoEs...
~Edit: For most HT fights at that, long as they can survive a couple AoEs...
Ah, thats a great idea. Combo pld+thf, stacking rudras with trick attack to ws at 3000 would spike pld hate and make sure thf will never hld hate.
But skillchain is considered part of trick attack? I was wondering same thing to coronach skillchain, in case coronach sc, while coronach has static hate, would the sc generate the full hate?
I remember from way back, xping in crawlers nest lv 35-45, it was a big deal to start every mob off with the thf closing distortion with sata viper bite on the pld, because then no one had a chance at pulling hate. Unless they adjusted things or my memory is far worse than estimated, SC dmg resulting from a TA WS will plant all hate from the WS and following SC on the TA target.
As to coronach SC's, i'm like 90% sure the SC generates full emnity on the rng (decoy does not affect WS or SC anyway). It can be a problem when you have 2-3 relic rngs and every other WS makes darkness. Even with decoy you can pull hate this way if everything lines up just wrong. I've had to hold tp for a sec for the SC window to close on fights where hate was shaky.
No definite conclusion yet, but theres an interesting conversation going on....
So valli, what would you suggest to use in the neck / back / waist slots
Plus, pillager's legs only give DEX+5. Does the crit damage+ still compensate or is it better to put more dex in this slot ?
http://www.ffxiah.com/item-sets/331540
What would you suggest to complete / replace this rudra's set ?
Plus, pillager's legs only give DEX+5. Does the crit damage+ still compensate or is it better to put more dex in this slot ?
http://www.ffxiah.com/item-sets/331540
What would you suggest to complete / replace this rudra's set ?
How good is theif now compare with Sam or monk?
Nvm I didn't scroll up to read the previous post
Nvm I didn't scroll up to read the previous post
This is what I have for right now, until the spreadsheets are updated by monten.
SA/TA sets are still the same, Moepapa neck is basically identical and is slightly better for TA. Dex mod all the way. Cavaros has a SLIIIIGHT advantage. Inventory-1 if you want it, more power to you. And I do not condone the idiocy of buying a Yetshila+1.
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Unstacked, Mani legs, Jukik feather, I hadn't put a TON of thought into the best possible body/hands/head but keep in mind, that the best will only be maybe 10 damage better than Pillager.
SA/TA sets are still the same, Moepapa neck is basically identical and is slightly better for TA. Dex mod all the way. Cavaros has a SLIIIIGHT advantage. Inventory-1 if you want it, more power to you. And I do not condone the idiocy of buying a Yetshila+1.
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Unstacked, Mani legs, Jukik feather, I hadn't put a TON of thought into the best possible body/hands/head but keep in mind, that the best will only be maybe 10 damage better than Pillager.
Lakshmi.Amymy said: »
How good is theif now compare with Sam or monk?
SAM >> THF >> DRG >> BLU >> >> NIN >> PUP >> MNK >> >> WAR >> DRK
Bismarck.Roguethief said: »
Do you swap in chiner's+1 for the SA AC rudra's valli?
I mean..... I would. But, it's a JA on a 5 minute timer.... and it's inventory -1....
Better is better, it's undeniable. If you use gearswap, and all those specific sets, and you don't mind inventory -1, absolutely.
I'm too stupid to use gearswap lol. Seriously. I'm learning it now. It's not as complicated as I thought it was. But I do have issues. I hit macros faster than the game can process.
Like if you hit waltz > ws in (400ms?) the game will process your ws in the waltz set. it has to do with packet ordering or something I don't understand.
So I have to learn to wait just a little bit longer and actually play slower... on macros, craziness.
Well, there's a breaking point.
Karieyh is better if you do "this much damage"
Kareiyh's WSD beats Ramuh+1 @ around 7000 damage (Stacked)
Raider's breaking point is basically non-existant. Thank you iLvl.
Karieyh is better if you do "this much damage"
Kareiyh's WSD beats Ramuh+1 @ around 7000 damage (Stacked)
Raider's breaking point is basically non-existant. Thank you iLvl.
It is, but the Crit damage is what you're comparing it against. The % of damage the Pillager's have, would have to be below a certain point for the Raider to be better.
Should've worded it differently. (edited it lol~)
Should've worded it differently. (edited it lol~)
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