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Battery charge gimp.
 Diabolos.Trangnai
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By Diabolos.Trangnai 2010-09-03 13:10:01
Quetzalcoatl.Sectumsempra said: I'm hoping that to compensate, they give us an AFv3 that has something like "Enhances Potency of Blue Magic Buffs".
Bam, suddenly we get a 5mp/tick refresh.
/dream
or maybe a blu version of composure?
Sylph.Kwate
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By Sylph.Kwate 2010-09-03 13:15:34
Fenrir.Nightfyre said: Sylph.Kwate said: Trust me I heard the bitching from some people when asked about our refresh, maybe not in YOUR experience. But I wasn't surprised by it all, either way its out of our hands, we just need to adjust our style somewhat. So Battery Charge is overpowered because some people you know say so.
'kay
either way Nightfrye, just make the best out of it. You have YOUR take on it, that's fine, I'm just saying I wasn't surprised by it, nothing you can do about it now.
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Ramuh.Dasva
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2010-09-03 13:18:38
inb4 new dmg spells cost even more mp. Hey buddy spend more get less /slap!
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By Ifrit.Eikechi 2010-09-03 13:22:00
"- Your assigned set of blue magic will remain stored even after changing jobs."
YES!!!!!!
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By Diabolos.Trangnai 2010-09-03 13:30:54
Ifrit.Eikechi said: "- Your assigned set of blue magic will remain stored even after changing jobs."
YES!!!!!!
Inorite. bout time.
Sylph.Kwate
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By Sylph.Kwate 2010-09-03 13:37:14
Sylph.Kwate said: Either way, everyone knew a nerf was on the way, I'm at least grateful they extended the time while nerfing us as oppose to a straight nerf. Granted I like our 4 tick like everyone else though, my main issue tbh is with our 2hr ability and would love 10 points from 81 and 91, those are my biggest issues atm.
I think what I said earlier was taken out of context, I wasn't surprised by the nerf, nor happy about it, just trying to keep a positive outlook on it. 3 months ago I was the first guy bitchin' that we didn't have a refresh, so I'll still take a gimped Battery Charge over nothing however.
 Leviathan.Yokhai
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By Leviathan.Yokhai 2010-09-03 14:04:13
But even with the nerf, will it be that bad? I mean you guys have some crazy MP management stuff.
Sylph.Kwate
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By Sylph.Kwate 2010-09-03 14:44:45
Personally I set the Conserve MP trait, which brings up the point of enough blue points. It seems most of the useful traits have point eater fillers (i'm glaring at you Double Attack and Fast Cast). Maybe Conserve TP or skillchain bonus will be nice with spells we can actually use.
Ragnarok.Agerknux
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By Ragnarok.Agerknux 2010-09-03 15:14:54
It seems like it will get to the point where I have a static set of spells all the time with little room to play for the traits we really need to use. I generally have about 8 spare points to play with depending on situation and sub which isn't enough. Just crossing my fingers for the new spells not costing 4-5 points as well.
Heres hoping for AF3 to have "All set traits +1" or something.
Oh yeah and totally awesome for occult acumen-like trait for our physical spells.
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2010-09-03 15:30:03
Leviathan.Yokhai said: But even with the nerf, will it be that bad? I mean you guys have some crazy MP management stuff. At worst it's about a 10% loss (for me) in MP recovery if they go the 5 min/3 per tic route. Probably about a 7% loss overall... How do you think melee would feel if SE removed all haste feet from the game?
Ragnarok.Agerknux said: Heres hoping for AF3 to have "All set traits +1" or something.
Oh yeah and totally awesome for occult acumen-like trait for our physical spells.
TP from spells would be really, really cool. I'd love to see that happen.
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2010-09-03 15:37:23
Fenrir.Nightfyre said: Ragnarok.Agerknux said: Heres hoping for AF3 to have "All set traits +1" or something. Oh yeah and totally awesome for occult acumen-like trait for our physical spells. TP from spells would be really, really cool. I'd love to see that happen. Indeed. Even if it was only like 3-5 or something.
Sylph.Kwate
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By Sylph.Kwate 2010-09-03 15:40:21
I agree, would be especially nice with multi-hit spells. As much as we feed the mob TP, a little return would be awesome.
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By Shiva.Superdan 2010-09-03 15:42:35
Leviathan.Yokhai said: But even with the nerf, will it be that bad? I mean you guys have some crazy MP management stuff. Quote: will it be that bad? Doesn't matter if it will be that bad. Matter of fact is, it's worse than we had & to be quite honest at this stage in the game, it wasn't OP at all, especially with refresh2 & ballad 3 coming out.
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By Ifrit.Eikechi 2010-09-03 16:16:13
if its gimped to 2/tick i'm going to rage lol.. 3/tick is atleast tolerable even though like Das mentioned on page 1, even with 2h duration its still gimp :(
Sylph.Kwate
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By Sylph.Kwate 2010-09-03 16:21:54
Ifrit.Eikechi said: if its gimped to 2/tick i'm going to rage lol.. 3/tick is atleast tolerable even though like Das mentioned on page 1, even with 2h duration its still gimp :(
Agreed, that would be inexcusable for SE to slam us like that.
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By Ifrit.Eikechi 2010-09-03 16:41:05
cuz SE said slightly decreased per tick... 4 >> 2 is not slight lol 4 >> 3 is however
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By Titan.Darkestknight 2010-09-03 16:46:50
Diabolos.Trangnai said: Quetzalcoatl.Sectumsempra said: I'm hoping that to compensate, they give us an AFv3 that has something like "Enhances Potency of Blue Magic Buffs".
Bam, suddenly we get a 5mp/tick refresh.
/dream
or maybe a blu version of composure? Sure, and then they may as well give all the jobs the same stuff... We need new "unique" abilities for jobs, not to give all the jobs the same stuff.
 Bahamut.Bojack
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By Bahamut.Bojack 2010-09-03 16:58:50
Just take Battery Charge off your spells sets when you solo/have no refresher so you can just go back to when you didn't have it and stop complaining lol.
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2010-09-03 17:00:20
Bahamut.Bojack said: Just take Battery Charge off you spells sets when you solo/have no refresher so you can just go back to when you didn't have it and stop complaining lol. This is, in all seriousness, about the dumbest response you could make to this adjustment. I was really hoping nobody would actually say this.
We got something good and it's needlessly getting toned down. Why wouldn't we have an issue with that? Battery Charge is not overpowered in its current state. Any adjustment that reduces its effectiveness is thus unnecessary barring some really epic spells and traits that would somehow be precisely balanced by a nerf of less than 1/tic.
Progression is the name of the game right now. This change does not reflect that.
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By Shiva.Superdan 2010-09-03 17:01:10
Bahamut.Bojack said: Just take Battery Charge off your spells sets when you solo/have no refresher so you can just go back to when you didn't have it and stop complaining lol.
Yeah, let's all go back to TPing in O-hats while we are at it too guys.
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By Ifrit.Eikechi 2010-09-03 17:06:34
Fenrir.Nightfyre said: Bahamut.Bojack said: Just take Battery Charge off you spells sets when you solo/have no refresher so you can just go back to when you didn't have it and stop complaining lol. This is, in all seriousness, about the dumbest response you could make to this adjustment. I was really hoping nobody would actually say this.
We got something good and it's needlessly getting toned down. Why wouldn't we have an issue with that? Battery Charge is not overpowered in its current state. Any adjustment that reduces its effectiveness is thus unnecessary barring some really epic spells and traits that would somehow be precisely balanced by a nerf of less than 1/tic.
Progression is the name of the game right now. This change does not reflect that.
go go setting auto-refresh II with like 12 points? lol
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2010-09-03 17:11:40
Not sure if I would laugh or rage at that. Probably a bit of both. Watch the spell combination required have STR-6 too.
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By Carbuncle.Shokox 2010-09-03 17:13:37
Bahamut.Bojack said: Just take Battery Charge off your spells sets when you solo/have no refresher so you can just go back to when you didn't have it and stop complaining lol.
Win response, lol. The reason why I say this is because some of you forget that we didn't have a Refresh spell at all. I'm grateful that we were graced with the spell, change or not.
It's not a dumb response at all imo. :P
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By Ifrit.Eikechi 2010-09-03 17:16:52
Carbuncle.Shokox said: Bahamut.Bojack said: Just take Battery Charge off your spells sets when you solo/have no refresher so you can just go back to when you didn't have it and stop complaining lol.
Win response, lol. The reason why I say this is because some of you forget that we didn't have a Refresh spell at all. I'm grateful that we were graced with the spell, change or not.
It's not a dumb response at all imo. :P
yes..yes it was lol... lets just revert back to no haste gear too.....while we're at it... go go WW belt fulltime and o hat, with AF body!
 Ramuh.Scizor
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By Ramuh.Scizor 2010-09-03 17:16:56
BLU has refresh, you didn't have it before....stop bitching seriously.
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Carbuncle.Shokox
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By Carbuncle.Shokox 2010-09-03 17:20:57
Ifrit.Eikechi said: Carbuncle.Shokox said: Bahamut.Bojack said: Just take Battery Charge off your spells sets when you solo/have no refresher so you can just go back to when you didn't have it and stop complaining lol.
Win response, lol. The reason why I say this is because some of you forget that we didn't have a Refresh spell at all. I'm grateful that we were graced with the spell, change or not.
It's not a dumb response at all imo. :P
yes..yes it was lol... lets just revert back to no haste gear too.....while we're at it... go go WW belt fulltime and o hat, with AF body!
The problem with this sarcastic remark is that, BLU was given Homam since day one of BLU being added.
By Nightmarelord 2010-09-03 17:23:59
Shokox u know u love it when ppl Q.Q!
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By Caitsith.Neonracer 2010-09-03 17:29:07
Quetzalcoatl.Sectumsempra said: I'm hoping that to compensate, they give us an AFv3 that has something like "Enhances Potency of Blue Magic Buffs".
Bam, suddenly we get a 5mp/tick refresh.
/dream .. likes this. =D
Carbuncle.Shokox
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By Carbuncle.Shokox 2010-09-03 17:30:24
Nightmarelord said: Shokox u know u love it when ppl Q.Q!
Yessssssssss, drinking the Q.Q tears of infidels gains me sustenance. Mmmmm yesssssssssssssssss....
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By Caitsith.Neonracer 2010-09-03 17:31:18
Diabolos.Trangnai said: Ifrit.Eikechi said: "- Your assigned set of blue magic will remain stored even after changing jobs."
YES!!!!!!
Inorite. bout time.
This should have been done ages ago.. someone just dun *** up till now...
/sigh
"The maximum amount of MP restorable with the blue magic spell "Battery Charge" will be increased. This will be accomplished by reducing the rate of MP restoration slightly, but increasing the total duration of the spell effect."
To all you people saying it's jumping the gun calling it a gimp...
Currently you spend 50 mp to get 4/tic for 2.5 min, ie 50 ticks to restore 200 mp. Which nets you 150 mp in that time which averages out to 3/tic net gain.
Lowering the rate will hopefully only go down to 3/tic. Yeah yeah it will last longer and you will get more per cast. Except the only way 3/tic refresh could get you more mp over time than something that nets you 3/tic is if casting it costed negative mp no matter how long it last.
Which means no matter what this will lower our mp recovery.
So FU you SE. Guess I'm going to go back to asking rdms for refresh again since that will be more mp. /sigh
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