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 Odin.Slore
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By Odin.Slore 2016-12-22 16:01:02  
I will and always have agreed with the mandatory military service. As a vet myself, the military teaches a lot of good skills, respect, drive etc. We wouldn't have so many snowflakes if we taught people to be productive and not expect everything handed to you.
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2016-12-22 16:02:44  
I disagree completely.
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By Odin.Slore 2016-12-22 16:32:01  
Why? Not every job in the military is combat arms. It still teaches structure though.
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2016-12-22 16:33:39  
You can learn things without being coerced into an unpleasant situation, which is what the military is like for many who are forced to take service against their will.
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By Garuda.Chanti 2016-12-22 16:36:01  
Universal service is a feature of many societies but the one I remember best was the cheerful neofacist state in Starship Troopers.

It had one feature I quite approved of. Everyone served. You have bone spurs on your heels? Fine, we'll get you a desk job? Anti war? Lots of civilian positions within the government. You have the IQ of a german shepherd dog? We can spend a year trying to train you to buss tables.

Everyone, without exception, served.
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By Viciouss 2016-12-22 16:55:48  
The military doesn't teach anything in the first 4 years before you riff out that can't be learned in college/the private sector. Going to college right after high school is a much better plan than going into the military as an E1 straight out of high school.
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By Ramyrez 2016-12-22 17:09:26  
Please don't forget than a civilian, completely combat-unrelated program is a significant, even predominant, part of my little scenario. Military service would be optional as ever.
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By Ramyrez 2016-12-22 17:11:38  
Kinda remembering why I don't like bringing up this topic. Too many people treat public service as punishment.
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By Lakshmi.Zerowone 2016-12-22 17:41:19  
Ramyrez said: »
Kinda remembering why I don't like bringing up this topic. Too many people treat public service as punishment.

Or you know the majority of people in modern society grow up without a caste system and find the Military and it's hierarchical leanings not for them... to put it mildly.
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By Ruaumoko 2016-12-22 18:02:31  
Odin.Slore said: »
I will and always have agreed with the mandatory military service. As a vet myself, the military teaches a lot of good skills, respect, drive etc. We wouldn't have so many snowflakes if we taught people to be productive and not expect everything handed to you.
Have to agree with this. I grew up with a Royal Air Force officer for a father and I was in the Air Training Cadets (ATC) as soon as he was able to put me in them.

Sure my father was a hard driver when I was younger, like making me leave home as soon as I was legally able to and making me fend for myself when I myself decided not to join the service. I learned a lot from him, even in passing, as our family was posted around the world as military families sometimes are.

I honestly regret not joining the Royal Air Force when I had the chance, but the values my father instilled in me like a strong work ethic and drive to excel stuck with me nevertheless. I'm doing my master's degree now while holding two jobs to fund myself. The sheer number of snowflake students I see who think working 'menial' jobs is beneath them, only to then flip out and moan when they cannot find 'meaningful' work, is absolutely staggering. Reality is going to knock snowflakes like this cold.
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By fonewear 2016-12-22 18:36:52  
Punishment is having to read your dissertation on the military !
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2016-12-22 19:12:19  
Become a valued and productive member of society by doing this one thing!

Meanwhile, Trump is sending out ominous tweets about nukes.
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By fonewear 2016-12-22 19:17:23  
Cerberus.Pleebo said: »
Become a valued and productive member of society by doing this one thing!

Meanwhile, Trump is sending out ominous tweets about nukes.

What is wrong with wanting to nuke your enemies ? Gotta nuke something !
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By fonewear 2016-12-22 19:21:35  
You are lucky I'm not in charge I'd kill everyone and burn the towns to cinder !
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2016-12-22 19:25:58  
fonewear said: »
You are lucky I'm not in charge I'd kill everyone and burn the towns to cinder !

I, for one, welcome our wisecracking murderous overlord.
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By fonewear 2016-12-22 19:27:49  
The notion that the USA is above nuking is silly. When other countries would love to nuke us.
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By Garuda.Chanti 2016-12-22 19:54:34  
Hey, if no nukes are good nukes more nukes have to be better.

AmIright?
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2016-12-22 20:39:21  
Cerberus.Pleebo said: »
Become a valued and productive member of society by doing this one thing!

Meanwhile, Trump is sending out ominous tweets about nukes.

Omg, I hate drumpf now.

The comments by everyone wetting their pants in that link in twitter is just *muah*.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2016-12-22 20:53:10  
I like how "expand nuclear capability" means "more nukes" to so many people. It takes a giant lack of creativity to think that capability automatically means volume.
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2016-12-22 21:15:06  
It's almost like Twitter is not the most effective form of communication for complex, nuanced topics.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2016-12-22 21:19:04  
Cerberus.Pleebo said: »
It's almost like Twitter is not the most effective form of communication for complex, nuanced topics.
It's becoming more relevant now.

Poor media. All they can do is react to every tweet and call for impeachment, war crimes and/or treason.
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2016-12-22 21:27:38  
Bahamut.Ravael said: »
I like how "expand nuclear capability" means "more nukes" to so many people. It takes a giant lack of creativity to think that capability automatically means volume.
Why turn on your brain when you can wet your pants instead?
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2016-12-22 21:38:47  
Relevant /= effective

The nuclear arsenal concerns a lot of people, as it should. Inferring that he means no actual expansion in the number of nuclear arms is just as much an assumption as inferring an increase. If Trump wants to insult the NYT or Broadway plays he can use Twitter however he wants. but serious topics require a proper outlet.
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By Viciouss 2016-12-22 21:45:49  
Trump doesn't know anything about nuclear weapons, that's why he can only talk about them in 140 characters or less. He is also talking about the F-35, asking Boeing to price out a "comparable" F-18 in 140 characters. I'm sure Boeing will get right on that impossible fantasy.
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By Lakshmi.Zerowone 2016-12-22 22:58:24  
Bahamut.Ravael said: »
I like how "expand nuclear capability" means "more nukes" to so many people. It takes a giant lack of creativity to think that capability automatically means volume.

Well being that he demonstrated he did not know what a nuclear triad is in primaries; it's a pretty fair assumption on people's part.
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By Zerowone 2016-12-22 23:00:22  
Garuda.Chanti said: »
Hey, if no nukes are good nukes more nukes have to be better.

AmIright?

If nothing is better than heaven, and a ham sandwich is better than nothing...
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2016-12-23 05:39:41  
Plane from Lybia has been hijacked by two terrorists. It landed in Malta and now they're keeping 108 passengers/staff hostage.
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By Phoenix.Sehachan 2016-12-23 05:40:09  
Btw the Berlin attacker was killed tonight in Italy.
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By Phoenix.Amandarius 2016-12-23 06:00:15  
Due to the attackers' religion in both cases, the media in America has lost interest Seha. Sorry.
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