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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2016-08-03 14:40:05  
Plus there's the whole Trump needs his ego to go on before his inevitable date with the ultimate dealmaker in the sky. Can't have bum *** kids taking over the empire.
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By Ramyrez 2016-08-03 14:40:15  
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The most surprising thing out of all of this to me is that his kids apparently hold that much sway with him.

His kids are an interesting wrinkle to the story; they clearly have genuine affection for him (and vice versa), and for growing up as rich as they did, they actually seem about as close to normal as they could have possibly hoped to be (unlike dear old dad, who even his most ardent supporters have to admit is kind of a weirdo).

"Donald Trump: maybe not the best husband ever, but didn't seem to do too badly as a father"

His kids just seem to be aware of the...luck?...of their situation. Like, they're clear on the lay of the land. The actual lay of the land. They're happy with it. They'd like to keep it the way it is. But they're not the batshit crazy caricature of spoiled rich kids some people would expect of that man's issue, given that's exactly what he seems to be.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2016-08-03 14:40:32  
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I think the press may actually be inundated with Trump blunders. In the last 24 hours:
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In a Washington Post interview, Trump declined to endorse House Speaker Paul Ryan against his primary challenger
He reiterated that he hasn't endorsed Sen. John McCain and said the onetime prisoner of war "has not done a good job for the vets"
He slapped out at Republican Sen. Kelly Ayotte, saying "she has given me zero support"
He suggested that Americans should pull their 401(k) funds out of the stock market
He said he's "always wanted" to receive a Purple Heart but that having one gifted to him by a supporter was "much easier"
He said that the handling of sexual harassment has "got to be up to the individual"
He accused Khizr Khan of being "bothered" by his plan to keep terrorists out of the country, and said that he had no regrets about his clash with the family
He appeared to feud with a crying baby during a rally
He reiterated that "if the election is rigged, I would not be surprised"
The sitting president of the United States publicly called Trump "unfit to serve" and urged Republicans to withdraw their support for him.
Trump spokesman Katrina Pierson suggested that Obama and Clinton are to blame for the death of Humayan Khan, who died in 2004, when neither were in the executive branch at the time
An ally of Paul Manafort told our colleague John Harwood at CNBC that the campaign chairman is "mailing it in," leaving the rest of the staff "suicidal."
Sitting GOP congressman Richard Hanna, HP head Meg Whitman and former Christie aide Maria Comella all said they plan to vote for Hillary Clinton
The Washington Post released a transcript of its full interview with Trump, indicating among other things that he paused five times to watch TV coverage in the middle of the sit-down
A GOP source told NBC's Katy Tur that Reince Priebus is "apoplectic" over Trump's refusal to endorse Ryan and is making calls to the campaign to express his "extreme displeasure"
http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/first-read/first-read-gop-trump-go-unraveling-break-glass-mode-n622116?utm_source=fark&utm_medium=website&utm_content=link&ICID=ref_fark

I'd say 'feuding with a crying baby' is my favorite.
Strange you should say that:

Media's Double Standard

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According to some estimates, more than 20,000 people turned out Tuesday to hear Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump in critical Loudoun County, Virginia. To borrow a Trumpism, that's huge but, thanks to the mainstream press, what you'll hear about the event will likely be how Trump booted a crying baby from it.

We should be used to the distortions by now, but it's a plain fact that most of the people covering the campaign are unwilling to give him a fair shake yet will bend over backwards to put the best face on anything former Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton says or does.

The "baby booting" story, judged newsworthy by Politico, reads as though Trump is a heartless monster. Here's what he said: "Don't worry about that baby. I love babies. ... Don't worry about it. I love babies. I hear that baby crying, I like it. What a baby. What a beautiful baby. Don't worry, don't worry. The mom's running around like – don't worry about it, you know. It's young and beautiful and healthy and that's what we want."

As a member of the media, I may be confused but it sounds to me like a marvelous thing to say, especially in light of what was probably the parent's embarrassment at how her child was disrupting his remarks. As it continued, Trump again addressed the child and her mother by saying, "Actually, I was only kidding, you can get the baby out of here."

Anyone listening can tell the latter comment was meant as a joke. It won't be reported that way because that doesn't fit in with the narrative the Washington Post, CNN, the New York Times and the unabashedly liberal political zines have created. It's only by hearing or seeing the event that you'll come to understand the truth of what went on.

This is but one distortion; there are plenty more. Following the lead of the Democrats, the media are demanding Trump apologize to Khizr and Ghazala Khan, parents of a dead American soldier who spoke at the Democratic National Convention. Now, I'm not on any of the relevant email lists but I'm not exactly sure what it is he is supposed to apologize for. The Khans should have known they were being drawn into a political forum (one from which they now say they want to escape because they apparently don't like all the attention) and were opening themselves up to criticism – especially in the pointed nature of what Mr. Khan said in his speech. Trump certainly didn't attack them for being Muslim which, it almost goes without saying, would be wrong.

If the Khans occupy a rarified status because they lost a son in combat then how does one explain the treatment given Pat Smith and Charles Woods, parents who lost their sons in the massacre at Benghazi and who both claim Clinton lied to them, face to face? They are being excoriated for stepping into the political arena on Trump's behalf but, unlike the Khans, are not backing down under pressure.

One set of rules for Hillary Clinton and a different set of rules for everyone else is not only the way she lives her life but the way the media is covering this election. The latest wrinkle is the emerging demands Ivanka Trump say something on the record about the way her father treats women and sexual harassment in the workplace. This may be a salient point (not really) but some of the same reporters who want a statement from her on these matters have assiduously avoided posing similar question to Chelsea Clinton, a woman whose father (why do we have to remind people of this?) had an illicit sexual relationship with a workplace subordinate young enough to be his own daughter and then lied about it to the American people after he was caught. If the shoe were on the other foot I know reporters (and you know them too) who would fall all over themselves queuing up to ask Ivanka what she thought about the allegation her father was a rapist.

No one is making this stuff up. We have here three concrete examples of the disparity between the way Clinton – whom the media loves – is being treated vs. the way Trump – whom they loathe – is covered. Is it any wonder he is rescinding the credentials of entire outlets seeking to cover him on the campaign trail? He knows he's getting a raw deal and is not going to stand idly by while it happens.

The media is supposed to be impartial. Sadly, it's not – at least not in this race. For whatever reason, too many of my colleagues – especially the ones on television (which includes the producers who back them up while whispering in their ears) have thrown in against Trump. In a situation like this the only thing I can advise is for voters who want to know what is going on to use the internet to get to as many original sources as possible. It's not hard – just time consuming – so that you can decide for yourself who can be trusted to occupy the highest office in the land over the next four years which, coincidentally enough, happen to be critical to the life and future of the nation in a way seldom seen before.
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By Cruz Missive 2016-08-03 14:46:33  
Ramyrez said: »
His kids just seem to be aware of the...luck?...of their situation. Like, they're clear on the lay of the land. The actual lay of the land. They're happy with it. They'd like to keep it the way it is. But they're not the batshit crazy caricature of spoiled rich kids some people would expect of that man's issue, given that's exactly what he seems to be.

Yeah, but think about how many rich/celebrity kids we've seen just turn into total weirdos (lookin at you, Jaden Smith) or melt the *** down in public entirely (Hi Paris!).

The fact that they can even tell the lay of the land correctly is better parenting than we're used to seeing from that class. Mocking Trump is funny stuff, but parenting is hard, and if he isn't responsible for them being basically well-adjusted, he at least didn't do anything to *** it up for whoever was responsible.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2016-08-03 14:49:39  
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The fact that they can even tell the lay of the land correctly is better parenting than we're used to seeing from that class.
*what media wants you to see.

Like it or not, we aren't a bad crowd. Just because we were born into wealth doesn't mean that we are automatically evil/greedy/vindictive/<insert derogatory term>.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2016-08-03 14:51:04  
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Ramyrez said: »
His kids just seem to be aware of the...luck?...of their situation. Like, they're clear on the lay of the land. The actual lay of the land. They're happy with it. They'd like to keep it the way it is. But they're not the batshit crazy caricature of spoiled rich kids some people would expect of that man's issue, given that's exactly what he seems to be.

Yeah, but think about how many rich/celebrity kids we've seen just turn into total weirdos (lookin at you, Jaden Smith) or melt the *** down in public entirely (Hi Paris!).

The fact that they can even tell the lay of the land correctly is better parenting than we're used to seeing from that class. Mocking Trump is funny stuff, but parenting is hard, and if he isn't responsible for them being basically well-adjusted, he at least didn't do anything to *** it up for whoever was responsible.

They're businesspeople, not actors. It makes sense they'd be a bit more controlled than people who work as professional entertainment. They've only been surrounded by the world of Trump and business their entire lives. Their mother being involved in business is also a thing.

And again, there's no point trying to outdo a dad that lives and breathes larger than life is pointless.

Congratulations to Trump for doing what any parent should?
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2016-08-03 14:51:16  
What are we pointing out media double standard to liberals for? The evidence is un refutable, but the will for accountability is not.
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By Ramyrez 2016-08-03 14:52:24  
I have to imagine there's some nanny care in there somewhere.

Realistically speaking, there would have to be. It is what it is.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2016-08-03 14:52:42  
Bawww, your man Trump is being treated the way he carries himself, like a ringmaster at a local carnival.

Sorry to break it to you but being the POTUS isn't fueled on a series of perpetual gaffes and insulting everyone. Many GOP lawmakers are starting to see that Trump won't shake up and it'll be them left holding the bag when he throws them under the bus.

Like he does with everyone!
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2016-08-03 14:53:18  
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Sorry to break it to you but being the POTUS isn't fueled on a series of perpetual gaffes and insulting everyone.
Worked for Obama, twice!
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By Ramyrez 2016-08-03 14:55:52  
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Like it or not, we aren't a bad crowd. Just because we were born into wealth doesn't mean that we are automatically evil/greedy/vindictive/<insert derogatory term>.

No. But you must admit the situation lends itself to a very...problematic frame of mind. Much like being born dirty poor. They're very different problematic mindsets. But both still problematic.

In the case we're discussing, see Ethan Couch.

Raised with no accountability and no sense of worth for...well, other people at all.

Yes, that's not a trait reserved for the rich. But having the resources to do whatever the *** you want certainly is a situation that allows you to insulate yourself from any education to the contrary.
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By Siren.Mosin 2016-08-03 14:56:04  
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un refutable

'irrefutable' was the word you were looking for.
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By Ramyrez 2016-08-03 14:56:30  
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »
Sorry to break it to you but being the POTUS isn't fueled on a series of perpetual gaffes and insulting everyone.
Worked for Obama, twice!

This gets really, really old. You really need to find a new refrain.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2016-08-03 14:59:10  
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Sorry to break it to you but being the POTUS isn't fueled on a series of perpetual gaffes and insulting everyone.
Worked for Obama, twice!

Yeah, no. Try again.

Obama has proven he had the class and temperment to hold the office. His politics are debatable, his respect for the office are not. Trump has proven neither the class or temperment for the position.

But sure, if you want to spin bashing *anyone* who even criticizes him lightly like a 14 year old Twitterette as fit for office, go ahead. I'm sure when meetings don't go his way he'll post like a high schooler on Twitter how mean those nasty old world leaders were to him.

Then insult their wives/husbands. Class.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2016-08-03 15:00:36  
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Sorry to break it to you but being the POTUS isn't fueled on a series of perpetual gaffes and insulting everyone.
Worked for Obama, twice!

This gets really, really old. You really need to find a new refrain.
So does people attacking Trump over pretty much nothing.

Tell you what, I'll stop attacking Obama when everyone on this website stops attacking Trump. Deal?
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2016-08-03 15:01:28  
So rebukes from top GOP leaders about Trump is nothing.

Ok
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2016-08-03 15:01:34  
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »
Sorry to break it to you but being the POTUS isn't fueled on a series of perpetual gaffes and insulting everyone.
Worked for Obama, twice!

Yeah, no. Try again.

Obama has proven he had the class and temperment to hold the office. His politics are debatable, his respect for the office are not. Trump has proven neither the class or temperment for the position.

But sure, if you want to spin bashing *anyone* who even criticizes him lightly like a 14 year old Twitterette as fit for office, go ahead. I'm sure when meetings don't go his way he'll post like a high schooler on Twitter how mean those nasty old world leaders were to him.

Then insult their wives/husbands. Class.
Should I bring up 2008 Democrat primaries? Or are you going to ignore that again?
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2016-08-03 15:02:33  
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So rebukes from top GOP leaders about Trump is nothing.

Ok
Don't care.

We already got it, GOP leaders do not like Trump. At least they didn't rig a primary to get somebody else elected. Too bad you can't say the same about the DNC.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2016-08-03 15:04:38  
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So rebukes from top GOP leaders about Trump is nothing.

Ok
Don't care.

We already got it, GOP leaders do not like Trump. At least they didn't rig a primary to get somebody else elected. Too bad you can't say the same about the DNC.

So the GOP not liking their nominee for a variety of reasons is 'nothing'? Nothing at all of concern? Ok.

Keep those blinders on buddy. If you don't see the fires, there is no fire.
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By Ramyrez 2016-08-03 15:07:28  
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Ramyrez said: »
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »
Sorry to break it to you but being the POTUS isn't fueled on a series of perpetual gaffes and insulting everyone.
Worked for Obama, twice!

This gets really, really old. You really need to find a new refrain.
So does people attacking Trump over pretty much nothing.

Tell you what, I'll stop attacking Obama when everyone on this website stops attacking Trump. Deal?

Except Trump's things aren't "nothing."

You can't even begin to realistically think that Trump's behavior is the kind of behavior that is acceptable in anyone. And it is in no way commensurate with Barack Obama's, who has been -- from a public presentation standpoint -- one of the more eloquent, even-tempered presidents we've had.

He doesn't bombastically insult people and respond to the slightest criticism with knee-jerk reactionary bully language.
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By Lakshmi.Zerowone 2016-08-03 15:08:18  
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Asura.Kingnobody said: »
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So rebukes from top GOP leaders about Trump is nothing.

Ok
Don't care.

We already got it, GOP leaders do not like Trump. At least they didn't rig a primary to get somebody else elected. Too bad you can't say the same about the DNC.

So the GOP not liking their nominee for a variety of reasons is 'nothing'? Nothing at all of concern? Ok.

Keep those blinders on buddy. If you don't see the fires, there is no fire.

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By Asura.Kingnobody 2016-08-03 15:08:33  
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Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »
So rebukes from top GOP leaders about Trump is nothing.

Ok
Don't care.

We already got it, GOP leaders do not like Trump. At least they didn't rig a primary to get somebody else elected. Too bad you can't say the same about the DNC.

So the GOP not liking their nominee for a variety of reasons is 'nothing'? Nothing at all of concern? Ok.

Keep those blinders on buddy. If you don't see the fires, there is no fire.
So, you have blatant corruption in your own party platform, but you rather focus on what your opposition does?

Who has blinders on again?
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2016-08-03 15:08:40  
I'll go on the record to say that McCain and Romney both respected the privilege of being the Republican nomninees and McCain displayed reserve and class when he refused to wade deeply into the birther shitstorm. I may not have agreed with their positions but they acted like adults. Adults that wanted to run the US. And they didn't ask why we can't use nukes. lol

Too bad McCain picked Palin, which is what that race will be remembered for.
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By Ramyrez 2016-08-03 15:10:32  
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »
So rebukes from top GOP leaders about Trump is nothing.

Ok
Don't care.

We already got it, GOP leaders do not like Trump. At least they didn't rig a primary to get somebody else elected. Too bad you can't say the same about the DNC.

You say that, but let's not forget Cruz and Kasich colluding to deprive him of votes.

I'm pretty sure if there was a way that he could have been removed without the voting base entirely walking away from the party, they would have found a way.

See, here's the thing. You're not exactly defending you're own guy, you just keep deflecting with attacks on the other party.

Meanwhile some of us are saying the entire election stinks to high heaven from all sides.
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By Ramyrez 2016-08-03 15:11:32  
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And they didn't ask why we can't use nukes.

Yet another thing I didn't bring up here because I'm sure people will support the ***out of him and defend his comments just for the sake of "not Hillary!"
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By Lakshmi.Zerowone 2016-08-03 15:12:05  
I don't even know why you guys bother, he wants to sit in the burning house. So just let him.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2016-08-03 15:13:53  
WHY CANT I NUKE EUROPE????
They won't even miss Lichtenstein!
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2016-08-03 15:16:33  
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un refutable

'irrefutable' was the word you were looking for.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2016-08-03 15:17:29  
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Obama has proven he had the class and temperment to hold the office. His politics are debatable, his respect for the office are not.

Abusing executive powers to the point of bending the Constitution is respect for the office? How about actively dividing the nation into race and class warfare? How about that "class and temperament" of constant insults against Republicans? Sorry, I don't buy any of what you just said.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2016-08-03 15:21:35  
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Obama has proven he had the class and temperment to hold the office. His politics are debatable, his respect for the office are not.

Abusing executive powers to the point of bending the Constitution is respect for the office? How about actively dividing the nation into race and class warfare? How about that "class and temperament" of constant insults against Republicans? Sorry, I don't buy any of what you just said.

1. Executive orders are one such power of the POTUS. You won't be whining if President Romney did things using that power. If you don't like executive orders then argue that.

2. Race and class warfare? You mean the same race/class warfare that has been categorically part of the American experience for decades? I guess demanding Muslims be barred isn't race/class warfare to you.

3. Insults to Republicans? You mean I dunno.. Obama being a Democrat and pols politicking? Do you even politics bro?

Obama and his wife will be remembered as being divisive in the US because of how politics are right now but globally? We look alot better than when Bush had shoes thrown at him to close out his terms.
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