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By Sylph.Safiyyah 2014-12-17 09:39:47  
http://www.cnn.com/2014/12/17/politics/cuba-alan-gross-deal/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

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President Obama is also set to announce a major loosening of travel and economic restrictions in what officials called the most sweeping change in U.S. policy toward Cuba since the 1961 embargo was imposed.

Interesting.
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By Garuda.Chanti 2014-12-17 10:19:56  
Also way overdue.
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By Ramyrez 2014-12-17 10:43:35  
...what fun will it be to go to model U.N. for high school students now?

The most fun to be had was getting to be Cuba and just cry "embargo!" over and over.

Of course, this won't help Obama's image with people who already hate him for being a damn dirty commie.
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By Odin.Jassik 2014-12-17 10:47:21  
Ramyrez said: »
...what fun will it be to go to model U.N. for high school students now?

The most fun to be had was getting to be Cuba and just cry "embargo!" over and over.

Of course, this won't help Obama's image with people who already hate him for being a damn dirty commie.

I don't know about Obama, but I always concern myself primarily with what the people that hate me think, you know, instead of doing what's right.
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By Ramyrez 2014-12-17 11:01:29  
Odin.Jassik said: »
I don't know about Obama, but I always concern myself primarily with what the people that hate me think, you know, instead of doing what's right.

Oh come on. Obama's a Democrat.

He's not doing anything for the right.

It's all for the left!
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By Siren.Mosin 2014-12-17 11:03:22  
I'm still super ashamed I forgot to get a cuban sammich when I was in orlando.
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By Shiva.Nikolce 2014-12-17 11:15:58  
Siren.Mosin said: »
I'm still super ashamed I forgot to get a cuban sammich when I was in orlando.

that's why we are opening relations... nobody knows how to get a cuban sandwich just right... the outside is overdone and/or the inside is cold...

we figured out cigars, sugar, rum, roast pork, cuban style beans and rice but for some reason nobody can make the *** sandwich right...

fidel castro is laughing at us all laying in his bed made out of angel feathers... I WIN!
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By fonewear 2014-12-17 11:18:00  
Look up Angelina Castro reason to like Cuba. (make sure you aren't at work)
By volkom 2014-12-17 11:25:11  
Would any talks be had about american businesses that lost property there after the country cut relations?
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By Ramyrez 2014-12-17 11:38:06  
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Would any talks be had about american businesses that lost property there after the country cut relations?

I somehow doubt it.
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By Odin.Jassik 2014-12-17 12:07:27  
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Would any talks be had about american businesses that lost property there after the country cut relations?

I hate to be that guy, but that's the nature of high risk business, especially when you move capital to a country that isn't a close ally. Granted, the socioeconomic situation was quite different at that time.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-12-17 12:11:41  
Thing is, would anything be done that would be beneficial to the US, or will this be another China which doesn't follow international trade and trademark laws?

Are we going to further the import/export gap, or do we have an actual building relationship with Cuba?
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By Cerberus.Anjisnu 2014-12-17 12:29:12  
Does this mean fine cuban cigars will be cheaper!?
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By fonewear 2014-12-17 12:29:36  
Means Cuban women will be cheaper !
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By Odin.Jassik 2014-12-17 12:38:20  
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Thing is, would anything be done that would be beneficial to the US, or will this be another China which doesn't follow international trade and trademark laws?

Are we going to further the import/export gap, or do we have an actual building relationship with Cuba?

It sounds like haitti 2.0 in all honesty. It'll be another foreign aid money pit, probably, but at least the cigars will be cheaper, even though they aren't actually that great.
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By Cerberus.Anjisnu 2014-12-17 12:39:12  
Odin.Jassik said: »
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Thing is, would anything be done that would be beneficial to the US, or will this be another China which doesn't follow international trade and trademark laws?

Are we going to further the import/export gap, or do we have an actual building relationship with Cuba?

It sounds like haitti 2.0 in all honesty. It'll be another foreign aid money pit, probably, but at least the cigars will be cheaper, even though they aren't actually that great.

Blasphemer!
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By Shiva.Nikolce 2014-12-17 12:39:52  
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Thing is, would anything be done that would be beneficial to the US, or will this be another China which doesn't follow international trade and trademark laws?

Are we going to further the import/export gap, or do we have an actual building relationship with Cuba?

even if we lifted the embargo tomorrow I don't see a lot of "industry" going down there in the immediate future. There is no infrastructure to support it. that place is so depressing that can't even get canadians to go there on vacation.

I think maybe they would start with some NGO charity group style tourism like Haiti...

someone wake up sean penn

Edit: beaten like a rented mule by jassik
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By fonewear 2014-12-17 12:40:31  
But where else can you see that many old American cars in one city !
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-12-17 13:00:57  
Odin.Jassik said: »
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Thing is, would anything be done that would be beneficial to the US, or will this be another China which doesn't follow international trade and trademark laws?

Are we going to further the import/export gap, or do we have an actual building relationship with Cuba?

It sounds like haitti 2.0 in all honesty. It'll be another foreign aid money pit, probably, but at least the cigars will be cheaper, even though they aren't actually that great.
Why would we give them foreign aid? It's not like they are a threat to us like Egypt and Iraq are.
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By Odin.Jassik 2014-12-17 13:20:42  
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Odin.Jassik said: »
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Thing is, would anything be done that would be beneficial to the US, or will this be another China which doesn't follow international trade and trademark laws?

Are we going to further the import/export gap, or do we have an actual building relationship with Cuba?

It sounds like haitti 2.0 in all honesty. It'll be another foreign aid money pit, probably, but at least the cigars will be cheaper, even though they aren't actually that great.
Why would we give them foreign aid? It's not like they are a threat to us like Egypt and Iraq are.

Hearts and minds, 'Murica, influence, take your pick. We give foreign aid as a bribe to impoverished nations to deter them from getting friendly with our critics on the world stage. Cuban relations is a power play against a former friend who is getting militant again.
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By Shiva.Nikolce 2014-12-17 13:20:51  
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Why would we give them foreign aid? It's not like they are a threat to us like Egypt and Iraq are.

because underneath our rough exterior of rape, drone strikes, torture and shock and awe bombing campaigns is the warm gooey center of a country that really cares about things and stuff.

like turning cuba into the communist paradise che guevera told us it was going to be... right before he killed everyone that looked like they might want to disagree with him about anything.
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2014-12-17 13:47:06  
Solid move. The reign of the Castros is coming to an end as both are over 80. Let Cuba get a taste of what they have been missing for 50 years and force the next leader to be Pro-America else face another revolution. Pretty much nothing negative about this, but we get to see the GOP whine about it anyway.
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By Odin.Jassik 2014-12-17 13:48:42  
Shiva.Viciousss said: »
Solid move. The reign of the Castros is coming to an end as both are over 80. Let Cuba get a taste of what they have been missing for 50 years and force the next leader to be Pro-America else face another revolution. Pretty much nothing negative about this, but we get to see the GOP whine about it anyway.

They also freed an American they'd be holding for 5 years. We're negotiating with terrorists!
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By Cerberus.Anjisnu 2014-12-17 14:16:31  
Does this mean they will have gps units on their rafts made of a couch 3 intertubes and a chicken ?
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By Odin.Jassik 2014-12-17 14:35:49  
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Does this mean they will have gps units on their rafts made of a couch 3 intertubes and a chicken ?

They've been pretty creative over years, actually, even smuggling parts for old cars back to Cuba. Hopefully this will also improve their living conditions enough that building a raft and illegally immigrating won't be as tempting.
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2014-12-17 16:51:29  
Odin.Jassik said: »
Shiva.Viciousss said: »
Solid move. The reign of the Castros is coming to an end as both are over 80. Let Cuba get a taste of what they have been missing for 50 years and force the next leader to be Pro-America else face another revolution. Pretty much nothing negative about this, but we get to see the GOP whine about it anyway.

They also freed an American they'd be holding for 5 years. We're negotiating with terrorists!

Yeah man, we just had to release the last 3 members of the Cuban Five, a harmless, obsolete, old news group of spies compared to what we are dealing with today.

Who are the Cuban Five?

But that doesn't stop the GOP from whining.

GOP goes nuclear over US-Cuba progress

Expect nothing from this Congress, fortunately, progress will continue without them.
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By Pantafernando 2014-12-17 18:20:42  
The root of all evil is always the lie of comunism/socialism.
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By Garuda.Chanti 2014-12-18 10:45:51  
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Thing is, would anything be done that would be beneficial to the US, or will this be another China which doesn't follow international trade and trademark laws?

Are we going to further the import/export gap, or do we have an actual building relationship with Cuba?
We will import more Cuban baseball players.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2014-12-18 11:05:16  
Pantafernando said: »
The root of all evil is always the lie of comunism/socialism.

Pretty sure the root of all evil is the CIA *** up your country, supporting some violent maniacs to run the country regardless of the democratic will of the people who live there. Latin America, Africa, Middle East it doesn't even really matter.

Let us not forget what Cuba was before the Castros took over.

If Country X decides they want to be communist, what right do we have to say they can't? Oh right, Team America.
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By Shiva.Nikolce 2014-12-18 11:21:23  
we need [bad cuban accent] tags for this thread so we can say things like.... we're hijacking this thread and taking it to cuba [/bad cuban accent]
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