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Delve advice
Bard seems to be in high demand for Delve parties these days and I am looking for some advice on what songs , if any particular ones, are expected to be used here or any advice that will help me to be a valued member in a Delve party . I have not played Bard seriously, other then to keep it leveled, since the old bird camp days so any advice would be greatly appreciated. Thank you
Cerberus.Diabolique
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I was usually asked to do March + Madrigal(Two song Brd) when in a DD party, and then a standard Ballad+Ballad in a tank party(for the whms and junk).
It will probably depend on the group though. If you're in a party with a Cor(using Hunter's) you probably won't need to madrigal at all. Even if I had a good idea on what songs were wanted, I tried to ask the group at the start just to be sure. You honestly can treat it just like bird camp if you are doing point farming. march/march, elegy, keep 1-2 mobs slept by party w/ lullaby, ballad mages. If you are doing actual NMs you might be asked for madrigal.
I start with marches in hope the DDs brought food /acc gear. I keep my chat log showing my pt's misses and even I see a lot I swap to madrigal+march. Hopefully I will have daura soon though lol
Ok cool and TY I was worried that I would need ice/thunder carol 2 which I have not been able to find as of yet. I am in your dept.
marchx2 or march+madrigal the dds, pianissimo ballad2&3 the whm (but wait 30-40 seconds in case they recieved march), pianissimo + Mazurka elegy to pull then lullaby back at camp. Can keep all adds slept repetitively with high magic accuracy and skill. Rinse, repeat.
Forgive my ignorance but what is "Daura"
you can but i've always subbed rdm to refresh the whm, preference i would say, only diremites hit hard enough to scare a bard puller into yellow hp, and it would have to be a long pull.
http://www.ffxiah.com/item/18571/daurdabla
and I would ask you leader, but my brds normally sub mage. Also, probably a good thing to read over this:
http://www.ffxiah.com/forum/topic/35597/you-spoony-guide-a-troubadours-libretto/ to find out gear you might wanna try to work on or play style improvements. Valefor.Sapphire
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For Plasm runs:
Learn the zone and pianissimo mazurka+ballad3 yourself if everyone is properly taken care of with songs/buffs. You can scout ahead and help pull or drop a heal on a puller that may be running low on hp before they make it to camp.
edit: nvm you covered the first bit, but it still stands even with 12% movement and no mazurka, the mobs deaggro easily
Does getting hit with blink on lose mazurka? Valefor.Sapphire said: » For Plasm runs:
Learn the zone and pianissimo mazurka+ballad3 yourself if everyone is properly taken care of with songs/buffs. You can scout ahead and help pull or drop a heal on a puller that may be running low on hp before they make it to camp.
I have done many runs BRD/RDM, No problem pulling mobs and FULL TIME AF3!(Even that I have my precast gear that cast most songs @ 20%), pull with elegy @ max range, Sleep them before they hit you, not hard to do. Keep DD's always w/ songs. Keep WHM or SCH w/ @ least 2 ballads, and Predule COR if is actually doing anything else besides Rolls. If you're are having all those "issues" or needed all that you said... you have been in really bad groups... Even In groups where DD's wanna "solo" each mob or keep hitting the mobs I Sleep I haven't had any Issues. Even /RDM I have never heal any DD, that's the healer's work, Gjallarhorn 95/Daurdabla 90, My work is keep 2or 3 ballads on the Healer, all of my healers always have over 80% mana, if they have good idle gear they might be over 95%. But Well I'm a BRD since those "Ninja burn colibris" and "Mammol Burns" So I do actually know how to play the job and keep my self alive, cant say the same from those brd that FC'd to 99 and cant land a elegy or lullaby on those mobs. Valefor.Sapphire
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Asura.Zizek said: » edit: nvm you covered the first bit, but it still stands even with 12% movement and no mazurka, the mobs deaggro easily Does getting hit with blink on lose mazurka? Online
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Asura.Aikchan said: » and Predule COR if is actually doing anything else besides Rolls. Marchx2+minuet or madrigal for COR unless he's doing wrong. And dafuq at lullaby merits. Madrigal/Minuet all day
Aikchan said: Even /RDM I have never heal any DD, that's the healer's work, Gjallarhorn 95/Daurdabla 90, My work is keep 2or 3 ballads on the Healer, all of my healers always have over 80% mana, if they have good idle gear they might be over 95%. If you have to heal on brd you're doing it wrong Offline
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if the require me to use pianissmo for ballad, I will just tell them learn to *** play at right spot.
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Too bad that some bards with years of experience waste it on telling everyone how awesome they are instead of offering playstyle/subjob tips instead of 'suck less abynoob' and 'get on my level'.
Pug groups can be terrible and what I listed works for me as a 2song only bard and I can help carry an uncoordinated pug group to 6k+ plasm runs. The thing about pug groups is that you have to play defensively and help heal sometimes instead of sitting back like a diva and whining about how everyone sucks. Healers dont stand in the right spot so you have to pianissimo them etc. Leviathan.Kaparu said: » And dafuq at lullaby merits. Madrigal/Minuet all day I'd love to hear why a 2song bard would do anything besides double march in a plasm pug run. Again thank you all for your input on this topic. There is a lot of useful information here and I like to think I am intelligent enough to gather from this information I can use to help me become as good a Bard as I can be based on the limitations of my ability or gear. I will start working on an Empy harp but only have limited LS support at the moment and would like to start on Delve as a two song Bard. I am not sure how much of a hindrance, if any, this will be.
I also have another question. I saw on the Bard guide forum and also someone mention it here about a precast gear set. Forgive my ignorance but I have no idea what this means. Valefor.Sapphire said: » cause everyone has a 3-4 song harp and a relic horn horn and everyone else in the group plays flawlessly, right? I'd love to hear why a 2song bard would do anything besides double march in a plasm pug run. 90 Daurdabla is hard And there are plenty of fights that require bard swapping for clears and whatnot, so even if you're terrible enough to be an active bard that still doesn't have a 90 DDB, madrigal merits are downright necessary Lullaby merits were only good in the time period when acc was irrelevant.
Now that acc is important again *and* there are *four* lullabies to choose from, theres zero reason to merit lullaby. As people alluded to above, bard swaps are often still required, and/or it may be necessary to play minuet or madrigal or a mix, depending on the situation. Cerberus.Diabolique
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Cerberus.Jonsnow said: » I also have another question. I saw on the Bard guide forum and also someone mention it here about a precast gear set. Forgive my ignorance but I have no idea what this means. It's not ideal at all(missing so many things) but this is what I use ItemSet 300944 Only -2% augment on Dweomer knife and Azdaja won't drop Felibre's for me. Again, not a great set, but none of it is overly difficult to get. This can be really difficult to pull off without either windower .txt macros or spellcast, though I'm sure it's possible to do. Just not sure how with so few macro lines available. Cerberus.Diabolique said: » Cerberus.Jonsnow said: » I also have another question. I saw on the Bard guide forum and also someone mention it here about a precast gear set. Forgive my ignorance but I have no idea what this means. It's not ideal at all(missing so many things) but this is what I use ItemSet 300944 Only -2% augment on Dweomer knife and Azdaja won't drop Felibre's for me. Again, not a great set, but none of it is overly difficult to get. This can be really difficult to pull off without either windower .txt macros or spellcast, though I'm sure it's possible to do. Just not sure how with so few macro lines available. Thank you, I thought that was what it meant but was not 100% sure. I am also sure you are correct about how difficult this will be to pull off since I am playing on Xbox. I could add 5 items to each song macro with another macro to switch them out prior the song going off. I will need to play around with it some to see what I can work out. Again TY The songs that I do vary.
Songs that have been requested 1. x2 march + mad 2.x2 mad + march 3.march + mad + minuet If you have Apajamas, you can use that in place of daggers for precast on daggers if you are in need of narrowing down where to put -spellcast at. Shiva.Bailiegrace said: » The songs that I do vary. Songs that have been requested 1. x2 march + mad 2.x2 mad + march 3.march + mad + minuet If you have Apajamas, you can use that in place of daggers for precast on daggers if you are in need of narrowing down where to put -spellcast at. For those without windower/spellcast, anytime you're casting songs you could full time most of your fastcast gear: dagger +2 hat neck both earrings ring back waist That would allow you to macro in the 4 other pieces for precast and then put on full +2 for the set bonus. Though I always recommend being on pc and using windower/sc for those who can. I think the idea was you will only be using marches and madrigals for buffs in delve, so Apajamas I should suffice for delve. Unless you are a 4 song brd or soul voice 3 songs or swapping parties you should not be putting up Minuets.
Quetzalcoatl.Hidegger said: » I think the idea was you will only be using marches and madrigals for buffs in delve, so Apajamas I should suffice for delve. Unless you are a 4 song brd or soul voice 3 songs or swapping parties you should not be putting up Minuets. A few days ago I joined a Morimar pt and pt lead asked march x2 minuets x2 chaos DA roll, and they didn't have acc issue....we cleared entire room and 2 rooms near the main room that we often had to wait for repop because there weren't enough mobs. I'm not sure what's their TP set since I didn't check, but I was wondering if it's possible to cap acc with just gear/food alone? |
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