Auric/Kila VS Kila/Blau

Actually wearing more than one would do a bit...

It works just like haste the more you have the better it gets.

All you've proven in this thread is that 1. you can't read and 2. you have no idea how delay reduction impacts dps.

And then I suddenly realized you're wearing Bushinomimi on your Mandau THF ._.

hmmm ok... :)

...

What the ***?

Ilax: DW works like haste in that the calculation for improvement to the relevant portion of your DPS is addedvalue/(100-totalvalue). It is in fact 6.67% to TP phase damage and given your low delay it should accelerate your TP gain by a decent amount as well.

Is this because you did 5/5 Ambush merits? Is it 90% when the mob turns to face you? At the sides of it? On mobs you can't attack from behind? 5/5 Ambush sounds a waste of slots to me.

Okay just wow. I mean never have I met a more HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE thf in the game. The moment I saw auric released I was like oh ***more dual wield!!

My personal set up
Dual wield 20%
Haste 19%
39DMG 201 delay dagger/blau
((201+178)*.80[dual wield])*.81[haste]=245.592
DPS = 17.59

auric/blau
Dual wield 25%
Haste 19%
((201+178)*.75[dual wield])*.81[haste]=230.2425
DPS = 18.76

18.76/17.59 = 1.0665

Exact increase of 6.65% in DPS

I'm pretty sure I didn't fudge the math.

Edit: can't acp body get dual wield augment?
Not like it would matter due to it just being replacing haste on body with dual wield, but 4 vs 5 in my case would still be an improvement.

I've heard from multiple sources that the ACP body with Acc+10 and Dual Wield beats Rapparee in many cases. If this is no longer the case, then I'll be changing back to Rapp.

It does beat it, even more so in any uncapped accuracy scenario.

is the BIG question is, Wht is the best combo ? and wht combo for wht events ?

... hmm ok. you sound like we met in GAME, but in FACT you are a nobody i never met and really wish that stay this way.


Ok first of ALL, here some mistake:

((201+178)*.80[dual wield])*.81[haste]=245.592
vs
((201+178)*.75[dual wield])*.81[haste]=230.2425

WTF are you comparing ?? bc you repeat TWICE the STATS of Auric and Blau

can you now repeat all your MATS with the RIGHT INFO? ill help you if you wan. HERE:

Auric 39 DMG 201 DELAY / Kila 38 DMG 190 DELAY
Kila 38 DMG 190 DELAY / Blau 33 DMG 178 DELAY

So before say STUPIDITY to look more stupid that you are, why not doing your MATH with 391 DELAY with DW VS 368 DELAY whitout DW.

SO 391 - 5% DELAY? = 19.55 REDUCTION = 371.45, do you see more your FAIL now? bc EVEN with DW applyed your DELAY is slower then kila/blau....


please say no to DRUG.

This is very true, with the condition that you are not making sacrifices here (ie not using meat instead of pizza - eating meat on THF is generally a bad idea and you will almost ALWAYS get better results using pizza + Rapparee than meat + ACP and stuff, unless you are only missing a small amount of accuracy. Sushi vs Pizza is harder).

Ie, 90% using Red Curry Bun... you could be using pizza + Rapparee Harness, Forager's, STR ring perhaps (STR is a large improvement to THF DoT damage and worth swapping in when you can) and whatever else you are sacrificing - and can DE/Evis in more offensive gear. Less important for Mandau perhaps but still worth considering.

The increase in damage granted by the 5% DW compared to not having it...

Mandau/Twashar?

More seriously, I'd go for DEX-Kila/STR-Kila as universal combo.
STR-Kila/TH Knife for farming beehive chips.
DEX-Kila/DEX-Kila + pizza when in doubts about your accuracy.
STR-Kila/STR-Kila when fighting tough things and blessed with BRD or COR in party.
AGI-Kila/AGI-Kila when evasion tanking.

I'd go for these without sacrificing any haste slots.

If you're too lazy to do magian trials, go for Auric Dagger.

@Ragnarok.Zirael:

/amen. your combo choice is perfect.

I would just add STR-Kila/Blau 'If you're too lazy to do magian trials x2'

so what about
auric/parazonium(OAT d33) ?

THF isnt a main job for me and with how long collecting these drops is taking, fig just grab auric for mainhand and be done with it for a bit

At least people with intelligence saw what I did there.
I've been playing this game since release day.
I don't do hnm on siren.
I don't do end game on siren.
I'm a casual player on siren.
I also research my jobs and don't go running around talking mad ***because I was given a mandau, which I don't own.
Hell I don't have a bushinomimi either, but that's because I'm thd main.
You may not have seen my name in your sheltered little world, but you've proven how short sighted and idiot you really are.

Edit: only reason I'm not 80 is because I haven't been playing since the last level increase. More important things to do irl in all

Relic hater? bc i don't see your point. so far ive been talking about: Auric/Kila VS Kila/Blau.


wish i had thd job leveled too.

Can't see past typos? Thanks for being the idiot you make yourself out to be.

Using 20% haste and Suppanomimi and /nin

Kila / Blau (Base Delay 368)
((190+178)*.20)*.80 = 235.52
((39+33)*60)/235.52 = 18.34

Auric / Blau (Base Delay 360.05 Aurics DW included)
((201+178)*.25)*.80 = 227.4
((39+33)*60)/227.4 = 18.99

Auric / Kila (Base Delay 371.45 Aurics DW included)
((201+190)*.25)*.80 = 234.6
((39+38)*60)/234.6 = 19.69

Kila / Kila (Base Delay 380)
((190+190)*.20)*.80 = 243.2
((38+38)*60)/243.2 = 18.74

Auric + (insert non relic) will out dps Kila + (insert non relic)

I never hate on relics, just you shouldn't have a mandau. I think you would be better suited to Amanomurakumo or Apocalypse. With your knowlegde of thf you should just zerg on drk or play sam, both are rather brainless in comparison to thf

**did just a small correction on your math.

Alright now i see what you mean. Sad bc your DPS still ignore +32 attack +6* STR and +5 ACC? [ i can understand for ACC, but what about 5 STR and 32 attack ]

STR-Kila / STR-Kila ((190+190)*.80)*.80 = 243.2
((38+38)*60)/243.2 = 18.75 vs kila/blau @ 18.34

just different stats, one setup have 5 acc more, other setup have 6* STR more (12)


Hater and i apologize for DRK and SAM reading this.

Correct me if i am wrong, but don't 4 STR increase your weapon DMG by one? so 12/4 = +3 DMG and 6/4 = +1.5 DMG.

STR-Kila / STR-Kila ((190+190)*.80)*.80 = 243.2
((38+[3]+38+[3])*60)/243.2 = 20.23

Auric / Kila (Base Delay 371.45 Aurics DW included)
((201+190)*.75)*.80 = 234.6
((39+[1.5]+38+[1.5])*60)/234.6 = 20.71


And still Attack+32 vs attack+16 not even added in DPS...

Where's my phone copy and pastes it likes to make minor corrections soles times lol.

The stat additions obviously effect your dps as well, but its hard to overcome the base differnce in dps. Similar to using SK over Stylet. Base DPS is a thfs best friend. Stats lost from your daggers can be made up elsewhere via food and gear.

Obviously the best combo is auric and dex kila. That way you're essentially free to use pizza and thus making up for the attack loss of blau or str kila.

Hell even auric/blau combo is good.

even in that case auric still wins out. Because your WS frequency is increased.

However I wouldn't use a str kila over dex kila. The accuracy from the dex kila is just amazing. Once again freeing you up on food/gear.

Being able to use meat over pizza or pizza over sushi will enhance your dps more than the stats on 1 str kila. Using 2 str kila would essentially limit you to sushi

hmmm, ok just figured this out too...

These new combo offer a 9 round for 100% TP, that is crazzy.

.Mandau/blau give 9.8 ..TP per round, need 15 STP [fail]
..Mandau/Kila give 10.1 TP per round, need 11 STP [only work with the new 5% haste +5 STP belt]
Mandau/Auric give 10.4 TP per round, need 8 STP [Rajas/C.chain,White Tathlum >< or new belt+rajas]
.........Kila/Kila give 10.4 TP per round, need 8 STP [Rajas/C.chain,White Tathlum >< or new belt+rajas]
...Auric/Kila give 10.7 TP per round, need 5 STP [Rajas only]

Store TP Math.
10.7 * 1.05 = 11.2 * 9 = 100.8 TP
10.4 * 1.08 = 11.2 * 9 = 100.8 TP
10.1 * 1.11 = 11.2 * 9 = 100.8 TP
9.8 ..* 1.15 = 11.2 * 9 = 100.8 TP

Kila/Blau 1 WS every 21.196 sec. with 11 STP [forget that]
Kila/Kila 1 WS every 21.888 sec. with 8 STP.
Auric/Kila 1 WS every 21.114 sec. with only 5 STP.

Crazzy >< Auric/Kila only need Rajas Ring and can spam WS every 9 round. [Excluding Triple attack, double attack and miss in the process]

If all this is correct, i have to agree, i turned my back way too fast on that dagger, and is not situational as i stated on weapon page.

Dude skadi pants offer 7 store tp and a loss of 1 haste and 5 accuracy (vs aurore) so 12 store tp is easily obtained. Rajas 5 skadi 7 done.

Mandau/Auric is a dps beast. Rock skadi legs rajas brutal and you have more than enough store tp. Pcc for accuracy and fire bomblet and accuracy 5/7 ring maybe cuch mantle and you can definitely rock pizza or meat depending on mob.

Seriously though ditch your bushi and get a suppa

Edit: minus your stubbornness you're actually pretty level headed. I apologize For beig a ***, but i got my point across lol. Just don't write off others just because you haven't seen them online.

Auric/OA2-3!!!

While wearing 25% haste and a total of 13% DW... ok Ocelot Trousers haven't been found but can get close

I thought that too bro lol
Does the magian oat2-3 have lower/equal delay as mkris?

I did basic math on Oa2-3x and was not impressed at all, especially when dualwielding.

No. It does however have over double the base dmg

I'm on the arcana trial atm. I think ive got like 100 kills to go. Prior to the last update the oat was the dagger I was working on for farming now I can make oa2-3 for farming. Definitely not for serious pts but fun dagger regardless. After doing the math for Ilax I'm definitely getting a dex kila asap when I get back. Followed immediately by auric

I had suppa before, i tossed it for bushi bc i was doing more EG with SAM >< That still kinda the case, but you right, that was a major mistake... I will get suppa back eventually.

Why not do what some people did and ditch + GM item recovery?

I mean bush is pretty good for sam. Not on par with suppa for anyone DWing but still not bad