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Marijuana Should Be Legalized
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By Garuda.Wooooodum 2009-11-08 19:19:35
Kujata.Nanyo said: Garuda.Wooooodum said: Because when you give the general public responsibility to make decisions, they wouldn't make the right ones. That's the whole point of it being illegal; it's making the more safer decision for people.
So, the goverment should make all our decisions?
With regards to drugs, yes. How many people would really choose not to smoke marijuana if it was made legal? That's the point I was making, not that we're incapable of making our own decisions. Ultimately, our decisions are our own choices, but the powers that be are allowed to make decisions with people's best interests in mind.
Kujata.Nanyo said: Maybe we should be like China and have all our life based off of a test that will tell us exactly what we're doing. I mean it'd pick the job we're most suited for, even though it'd remove all freedom to it.
You did an exceptional job at twisting my point there.
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By Asura.Ludoggy 2009-11-08 19:22:50
Lakshmi.Drekien said: Asura.Ludoggy said: that's morally wrong.
Thats pretty much the only reason why it isn't legal. Stuck up conservatives with morals
Hi2u ignorance<3
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By Odin.Dirtyfinger 2009-11-08 19:23:15
Again, I have lived in a country where it's been legal for a very very long time and I've never come across people trying to compete with the governement/Coffee shops. I don't think you realize just how cheap it is to grow a damn plant to make profit.
I can buy 3g of some of the strongest marijuana on the planet for 10 euros. (is what $5?).
Again pharmaceutical companys take control and can make it alot safer and stronger than any drug cartel can ever wish to make.
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By Pandemonium.Liquidz 2009-11-08 19:23:45
Asura.Ludoggy said: Bahamut.Avenged said: and would pump a lot more money into america's economy. its great
that's morally wrong.
A lot of things are morally wrong but will keep happening anyway because it end up being either controlled/sold by the government or by the black market. And if I had to pick between drug cartels making more money to make their business bigger, buy more guns, more cops and politicians or having the government making huge profit on the back of weed smokers and then re-injecting it in public services... I'd pick the later.
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By Kujata.Nanyo 2009-11-08 19:25:55
Garuda.Wooooodum said: Kujata.Nanyo said: Garuda.Wooooodum said: Because when you give the general public responsibility to make decisions, they wouldn't make the right ones. That's the whole point of it being illegal; it's making the more safer decision for people. So, the goverment should make all our decisions? With regards to drugs, yes. How many people would really choose not to smoke marijuana if it was made legal? That's the point I was making, not that we're incapable of making our own decisions. Ultimately, our decisions are our own choices, but the powers that be are allowed to make decisions with people's best interests in mind. Kujata.Nanyo said: Maybe we should be like China and have all our life based off of a test that will tell us exactly what we're doing. I mean it'd pick the job we're most suited for, even though it'd remove all freedom to it. You did an exceptional job at twisting my point there.
I was trying to make an annaligy to help show my point, but I helping to show where my point comes from is very mean of me. Then again I dislike how Socialist we're seemingly becoming so my thoughts there are from other things. /shrug, oh well, so be it.
Lakshmi.Drekien said: Asura.Ludoggy said: that's morally wrong. Thats pretty much the only reason why it isn't legal. Stuck up conservatives with morals
Well, That's not exactly what Lud's saying though since you took out part of it. I can understand the point of "Don't make it legal just because we're in a bind, make it legal because it shouldn't be illegal" Which makes sence. Because then, are we only going to make progress when it benifits our Tax Funds? Then again @.@ I doesn't matter to me much.
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By Lakshmi.Drekien 2009-11-08 19:27:07
Asura.Ludoggy said: Lakshmi.Drekien said: Asura.Ludoggy said: that's morally wrong.
Thats pretty much the only reason why it isn't legal. Stuck up conservatives with morals
Hi2u ignorance<3
ignorance? Seriously, the only reason we can't get it legalized is the number of people that sit in a big building who vote on HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE issues like this. If you knew anything about Weed in America you would say more than it just being "morally wrong"
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By Remora.Narrubia 2009-11-08 19:27:46
The Lancet published a fairly widely accepted (although still controversial) paper on how much harm a handful of drugs, including cannabis, cause. It can be found here:
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First off, I hate pot and anybody that smokes it. It is a foolish, hedonistic waste of time and is a great way of identifying which people around you are worthless scum. On the other hand, legalizing it would reduce drug trafficking (which is often violent, even with cannabis) and would allow much easier regulation of the drug. On top of that, the gateway drug argument also applies to other drugs, which are in fact legal. So practically speaking, it is probably a good idea to legalize it. Or we could just kill all the potheads, I'm okay with that too.
Ninja Edit: Actually, a good alternative to killing potheads is to educate them on the real amount of residual damage cannabis causes. It is quite psychologically addictive and a bit physically addictive, and causes shrinkage of the hypothalamus (a part of the brain.) It's not as harmless as every pothead out there seems to think, even if it pales in comparison to alcohol and tobacco.
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By Garuda.Wooooodum 2009-11-08 19:28:09
Pandemonium.Liquidz said: I understand your point but if his point is true it kind of make sense or open another debate, should alcohol be illegal.
Okay, well...
The biggest difference from my viewpoint is the body is supposed to intake a moderate amount of alcohol on a regular basis. It's designed to do so and has many physical benefits when taken in moderation. Our liver is a natural defense to alcohol and filters the right amounts and uses it to positively affect our bodies. When we drink an excessive amount of alcohol, the liver can asborb the brunt of the alcohol and hopefully prevent any damage from it. If you don't drink much and go out one night with your buddies and get rat faced, your liver will take the punch and work its magic and you'll be clean within 48 hours. With marijuana, there is no natural cleansing and the body will not get rid of the fumes and the poisons and harmful substance within.
Now, this all presumes you're not an alcoholic. Long term, you will not suffer any negative effects from drinking the occasional social glass of wine. However, if you go out and get rat faced every night, your liver will soon pack in. This brings it back to responsibility to judge for ourselves when we've had too much. Like the taking of some drugs, I don't think people make the right choice very often. It's people's choices how much they do or don't have of anything, but when there's laws in places to stop people from having too much (or any, in marijuana's case) of something, there's a good reason for it.
Personally, I hate drunks. It irritates me when a drunk guy starts slurring words out to me or my girlfriend. I enjoy a drink now and then and sure, I've got rat faced before, but that was my fault for not having the responsibility of showing moderation.
When it comes down to it, marijuana in short doses might be fine, but it's not. There is no natural cleansing process like with alcohol; and the occasional use of marijuana will cause the same long term effects of regular use, it'll just take longer to notice. Whereas with alcohol, moderation will go unnoticed.
To each their own, though. I just think it's illegal for a reason and for that reason it should stay illegal.
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By Cerberus.Katarzyna 2009-11-08 19:30:07
I'm just asking this to the people so outraged over Wooo's comment about the government: if pot was legalized, who would control how it's distributed?
Go ahead. Get outraged. I'll wait.
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By Valefor.Integral 2009-11-08 19:31:06
ITS A GATEWAY DRUG LOLZ
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By Lakshmi.Drekien 2009-11-08 19:33:06
Valefor.Integral said: ITS A GATEWAY DRUG LOLZ
IT KILLZ UR SPERMZ WWWWWWWWWWWWWWW
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By Garuda.Antipika 2009-11-08 19:33:37
Cerberus.Katarzyna said: I'm just asking this to the people so outraged over Wooo's comment about the government: if pot was legalized, who would control how it's distributed?
Why use -if- ? It is legalized in some countries.
Lakshmi.Drekien said: Valefor.Integral said: ITS A GATEWAY DRUG LOLZ
IT KILLZ UR SPERMZ WWWWWWWWWWWWWWW
Not a big deal since it will never end up in a female body :d (no gf, enjoy your hand etc)
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By Sylph.Otsego 2009-11-08 19:33:48
Cerberus.Katarzyna said: I'm just asking this to the people so outraged over Wooo's comment about the government: if pot was legalized, who would control how it's distributed?
Go ahead. Get outraged. I'll wait.
The fact is the government cannot control it, part of the reason it's illegal. It's no hidden fact from the rest of the world that the American government has had their heads up their *** ever since the Kennedy years. How many countries is weed illegal in outside of the United States? Any American citizen that gets outraged by someone bashing our country is a liberal hippie who thinks this is the best country in the world.... sad to say it is not. BTW, I am an American citizen, and I hate this country with a passion.
Oh, and it would be controlled the same way cigarettes and alcohol are controlled, /welcome ATF.
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By Valefor.Integral 2009-11-08 19:34:17
Pandemonium.Bartimaeus said: So many scientists, political and social economic scholars in here. Who'da thunkit.
dont have to be a recognized expert to have an opinion..
UNLESS YOU LIVE IN COMMUNIST RUSSIA
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By Kujata.Akeda 2009-11-08 19:34:25
I think smoking weed is pointless and a waste of time/money/braincells, but so is drinking and smoking and driving 35mph in a 75mph.
IMHO drinking alcohol kills more people and causes more problems then someone smoking weed so I don't really understand why someone would be against marijuana yet allow someone to drink to excess.
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By Remora.Narrubia 2009-11-08 19:35:21
Pandemonium.Bartimaeus said: So many scientists, political and social economic scholars in here. Who'da thunkit.
Don't get all sassy, mustachio. At least I cited some reputable papers in my argument.
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By Lakshmi.Drekien 2009-11-08 19:35:46
Sylph.Otsego said: How many countries is weed illegal in outside of the United States?
a bunch actually
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By Garuda.Wooooodum 2009-11-08 19:36:41
Pandemonium.Bartimaeus said: So many scientists, political and social economic scholars in here. Who'da thunkit.
Have to disagree with you on this one. People don't need to have a high IQ to have their own opinions.
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Pandemonium.Bartimaeus said: Valefor.Integral said: Pandemonium.Bartimaeus said: So many scientists, political and social economic scholars in here. Who'da thunkit.
dont have to be a recognized expert to have an opinion..
UNLESS YOU LIVE IN COMMUNIST RUSSIA
Don't have to be a recognized comedian to make a joke.
In Russia, JOKE MAKE YOU.
Oh har har, you sly man, you.
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By Remora.Overburdened 2009-11-08 19:37:48
Kujata.Akeda said: I think smoking weed is pointless and a waste of time/money/braincells, but so is drinking and smoking and driving 35mph in a 75mph.
IMHO drinking alcohol kills more people and causes more problems then someone smoking weed so I don't really understand why someone would be against marijuana yet allow someone to drink to excess.
I could not agree more with any other post about this. Most potheads and stoners are at home, kicked back with a big bag of chips, and a bowl, bong, hooka, pipe, or whatever they choose to smoke out of. They are not at your local bars getting ***-faced, then getting in their cars and driving home. Anyone who thinks weed has that affect on people in general are fools.
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By Cerberus.Katarzyna 2009-11-08 19:37:55
Garuda.Antipika said: Cerberus.Katarzyna said: I'm just asking this to the people so outraged over Wooo's comment about the government: if pot was legalized, who would control how it's distributed?
Why use -if- ? It is legalized in some countries.
Because it ISN'T legal in America, the country I live in and the country the OP is from?
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By Odin.Dirtyfinger 2009-11-08 19:38:26
Sylph.Otsego said: How many countries is weed illegal in outside of the United States?
I've lived in one for many years and in a whole it has one of the lowest population of marijuana users on the whole planet.
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By Remora.Narrubia 2009-11-08 19:38:59
Pandemonium.Bartimaeus said: You did. I'm deliberately not contributing to this argument. A past valid drug addiction to very much worse stuff has made me biased about this whole pot thing. :b
A moustache addiction, no doubt! tbh I think that makes you all the more credible in an argument like this, but oh well.
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By Lakshmi.Dmnone 2009-11-08 19:40:47
weedaholics linkshell also thinks weed should be legal...... wait it is in cali woot
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By Lakshmi.Drekien 2009-11-08 19:40:54
Garuda.Antipika said: Cerberus.Katarzyna said: I'm just asking this to the people so outraged over Wooo's comment about the government: if pot was legalized, who would control how it's distributed?
Why use -if- ? It is legalized in some countries.
Lakshmi.Drekien said: Valefor.Integral said: ITS A GATEWAY DRUG LOLZ
IT KILLZ UR SPERMZ WWWWWWWWWWWWWWW
Not a big deal since it will never end up in a female body :d (no gf, enjoy your hand etc)
what if a pothead wanted to donate sperm? ITS A BIG DEAL SIR, KEEP YOUR TROOPERS ALIVE!!! w
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By Garuda.Antipika 2009-11-08 19:41:46
Cerberus.Katarzyna said: Garuda.Antipika said: Cerberus.Katarzyna said: I'm just asking this to the people so outraged over Wooo's comment about the government: if pot was legalized, who would control how it's distributed?
Why use -if- ? It is legalized in some countries.
Because it ISN'T legal in America, the country I live in and the country the OP is from?
And ? Your question "who would control how it's distributed? " is just stupid. It works fine elsewhere, why would it be more complicated with the USA ? Just do like they do in Holland.
You're asking "who ?" an "how ?" like if it was something new, something no country ever experienced before.
Quote: what if a pothead wanted to donate sperm? ITS A BIG DEAL SIR, KEEP YOUR TROOPERS ALIVE!!! w
You're not allowed to donate if you an illegal substance user anyway :d Same goes for blood.
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By Lakshmi.Drekien 2009-11-08 19:43:52
Garuda.Antipika said: Cerberus.Katarzyna said: Garuda.Antipika said: Cerberus.Katarzyna said: I'm just asking this to the people so outraged over Wooo's comment about the government: if pot was legalized, who would control how it's distributed?
Why use -if- ? It is legalized in some countries.
Because it ISN'T legal in America, the country I live in and the country the OP is from?
And ? Your question "who would control how it's distributed? " is just stupid. It works fine elsewhere, why would it be more complicated with the USA ? Just do like they do in Holland.
You're asking "who ?" an "how ?" like if it was something new, something no country ever experienced before.
Quote: what if a pothead wanted to donate sperm? ITS A BIG DEAL SIR, KEEP YOUR TROOPERS ALIVE!!! w
You're not allowed to donate if you an illegal substance user anyway :d Same goes for blood.
I heard you can donate if you haven't smoked pot within like 24 hrs.. oh well
Am i right or am i right?
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