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 Ramuh.Dasva
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2009-11-08 23:25:34  
Lakshmi.Drekien said:
Established or not, I'm not wrong. WEED DOES NOT GIVE YOU CANCER, IT DOES NOT GIVE YOU ANY MENTAL DISABILITIES. ^that is what I am saying.

Lakshmi.Drekien said:
wow omfg you serious? Lung cancer? Mental disability? LMAO um no. there are 0. ZERO *** cases of lung cancer, OR mental disability. Show me where they say its "scientifically proven" it will produce long term detrimental effects.

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Warning lots of big words and scientific mumbo jumbo THC kills brain cells
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By Caitsith.Blurr 2009-11-08 23:26:45  
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Caitsith.Blurr said:
all i saw were the same *** *** articles ive been seeing since 7th grade. for every article explaining the "facts" on the negative effects of prolonged use, 10 more can be put up contradicting it. if any of you cite actual fda findings stating marijuana use absolutely positively "WILL" make you stupid. ***, ill seriously eat my own shorts aright ?

I'll paraphrase this for you. You refuse to believe any stupid that doens't support your believes. Guess what the fda wont get findings cause it is *** illegal in america



are you trying to say that because its illegal no studies are/will ever be done ? or that because its illegal, no "facts" will ever be made public by the fda ? either way your wrong. there are no publicly made statements by the fda because they cant conclusively say one or the other. for every person it does negatively effect, there could be 5 more it doesnt at all. same with *** ANY substance, legal or otherwise..
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By Unicorn.Moldtech 2009-11-08 23:29:49  
Caitsith.Blurr said:
Ramuh.Dasva said:
Caitsith.Blurr said:
all i saw were the same *** *** articles ive been seeing since 7th grade. for every article explaining the "facts" on the negative effects of prolonged use, 10 more can be put up contradicting it. if any of you cite actual fda findings stating marijuana use absolutely positively "WILL" make you stupid. ***, ill seriously eat my own shorts aright ?
I'll paraphrase this for you. You refuse to believe any stupid that doens't support your believes. Guess what the fda wont get findings cause it is *** illegal in america
are you trying to say that because its illegal no studies are/will ever be done ? or that because its illegal, no "facts" will ever be made public by the fda ? either way your wrong. there are no publicly made statements by the fda because they cant conclusively say one or the other. for every person it does negatively effect, there could be 5 more it doesnt at all. same with *** ANY substance, legal or otherwise..


that ^
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2009-11-08 23:30:55  
Caitsith.Blurr said:
Ramuh.Dasva said:
Caitsith.Blurr said:
all i saw were the same *** *** articles ive been seeing since 7th grade. for every article explaining the "facts" on the negative effects of prolonged use, 10 more can be put up contradicting it. if any of you cite actual fda findings stating marijuana use absolutely positively "WILL" make you stupid. ***, ill seriously eat my own shorts aright ?
I'll paraphrase this for you. You refuse to believe any stupid that doens't support your believes. Guess what the fda wont get findings cause it is *** illegal in america
are you trying to say that because its illegal no studies are/will ever be done ? or that because its illegal, no "facts" will ever be made public by the fda ? either way your wrong. there are no publicly made statements by the fda because they cant conclusively say one or the other. for every person it does negatively effect, there could be 5 more it doesnt at all. same with *** ANY substance, legal or otherwise..

Yep more justification to ignore whatever displeases you good job.
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By Asura.Korpg 2009-11-08 23:34:05  
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i didnt even say i smoked pot lol, and there you go with the "it does, it will, absotively!" ***again too.. presumptuous much ? i only even "like" arguing with you because you like to toss around your opinions like they are facts -_-. and wow theres a wiki article talking about negative marijuana effect ? hold on a second, let me make one saying the complete opposite of everything there for you to read, and then you can come back and say, oh hey "you were right, my bad"

I'm sorry you are so biased towards me that you will see that every post I make constitutes as an arguement.

I'm not a professional weed information handler, so I can only go by what I'm told. I don't study it, because I puke in my mouth every time I see that ***. Going to the wiki page made me lose my dinner. But I just got one tidbit to show you what I'm talking about.

But you automatically become defensive for whatever reason I don't know. I mean, I like the debate, but you are taking it too far.

Unicorn.Moldtech said:
Keep in mind tooif it was legal, same job, you and a weedsmoker applying for a job and you both are qualified for the job. After talking to you (the anti-smoker) and your comments like this that you've spoken of on this subject I'd see how closed minded you are, I'd hire the weedsmoker before you. You're limited by your mind set that in a routine to me I'm going to be feeling in certain situations you would get dumbfounded cause you would not be able to think outside the box, the weedsmoker is open minded and can see other possible aspects of a situation you'd be oblivious too. So you're right, the weedsmoker wouldn't compete with you cause he/she done knocked you right out of the job. The government thing is a great analogy too, remember alcohol was banned too for awhile, til they figured out how to get thier chunk of the market out of it.

Wait, why would I talk about weed during a job interview anyway?

I would talk about information I know about, not about information that I don't (since I could care less about the existance of the ***). If this question came up I would just tell the truth, that I don't know anything about it and ask if there was another question in mind that we (the interviewer and myself) could discuss, specially about the job on hand. I don't see myself applying to a weed-farming corp.

If you are going to base your desision by this question, then wouldn't you not hire the weedsmoker because of the health risks that weed poses (proven or not, there are still health risks, and just because some websites say there isn't doesn't mean its true, which is the same as some people's arguements).

Either way, this would probably constitute as an illegal question.
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By Bahamut.Stanflame 2009-11-08 23:34:10  
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Am i right or am i right?


No avenged ; ;. It's a bad influence.
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By Caitsith.Blurr 2009-11-08 23:35:51  
Ramuh.Dasva said:
Caitsith.Blurr said:
Ramuh.Dasva said:
Caitsith.Blurr said:
all i saw were the same *** *** articles ive been seeing since 7th grade. for every article explaining the "facts" on the negative effects of prolonged use, 10 more can be put up contradicting it. if any of you cite actual fda findings stating marijuana use absolutely positively "WILL" make you stupid. ***, ill seriously eat my own shorts aright ?
I'll paraphrase this for you. You refuse to believe any stupid that doens't support your believes. Guess what the fda wont get findings cause it is *** illegal in america
are you trying to say that because its illegal no studies are/will ever be done ? or that because its illegal, no "facts" will ever be made public by the fda ? either way your wrong. there are no publicly made statements by the fda because they cant conclusively say one or the other. for every person it does negatively effect, there could be 5 more it doesnt at all. same with *** ANY substance, legal or otherwise..

Yep more justification to ignore whatever displeases you good job.


wow i could say the same *** thing to you "yep more justification to validate that false sense of righteousness"
GOOD JOB!
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By Asura.Korpg 2009-11-08 23:37:16  
Ramuh.Dasva said:
Caitsith.Blurr said:
Ramuh.Dasva said:
Caitsith.Blurr said:
all i saw were the same *** *** articles ive been seeing since 7th grade. for every article explaining the "facts" on the negative effects of prolonged use, 10 more can be put up contradicting it. if any of you cite actual fda findings stating marijuana use absolutely positively "WILL" make you stupid. ***, ill seriously eat my own shorts aright ?
I'll paraphrase this for you. You refuse to believe any stupid that doens't support your believes. Guess what the fda wont get findings cause it is *** illegal in america
are you trying to say that because its illegal no studies are/will ever be done ? or that because its illegal, no "facts" will ever be made public by the fda ? either way your wrong. there are no publicly made statements by the fda because they cant conclusively say one or the other. for every person it does negatively effect, there could be 5 more it doesnt at all. same with *** ANY substance, legal or otherwise..
Yep more justification to ignore whatever displeases you good job.

Everyone is guilty of this. We should be more aware of our biases of information and accept that everything is true and everything is false.

Don't disprove anything because XXX person said so. Don't say its automatically false because YYY person disagrees with you.

"Your stupid" is not an acceptable answer.
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By Lakshmi.Aaroca 2009-11-08 23:38:57  
Wait, a lot of things kill your brain cells. Stress, eating junk food, lack of exercise, sitting in front of a computer...

Also there have been a few studies using illegal drugs that the government have staged in regards to illegal drugs. Just because they're illegal doesn't mean they don't exsist and need to be tested to understand them thourougly.
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By Bahamut.Stanflame 2009-11-08 23:40:49  
Now can I ask something?

Does anyone think if they legalize it here, like say tobacco is legal here. That it will drop in price and crime will stop with this ***...? and other shady things making crime and drug dealers lose their high asset?

cheap people be able to buy it every where. I still say no.
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By Asura.Korpg 2009-11-08 23:40:49  
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Wait, a lot of things kill your brain cells. Stress, eating junk food, lack of exercise, sitting in front of a computer... Also there have been a few studies using illegal drugs that the government have staged in regards to illegal drugs. Just because they're illegal doesn't mean they don't exsist and need to be tested to understand them better.

You are correct.

For all we know, drugs could not be as damaging as it was first though it was when the US government passed the laws that made them illegal.

But then again, wasn't smoking considered a healthy activity back in the 20s and all the way to the 50s?
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By Lakshmi.Drekien 2009-11-08 23:41:29  
Ok first off, both of those articles Dasva, only show "potential risks", "casual effects" and "possible results". But from every result and conclusive statements in each article do NOT show proven results or complete data to support any of the proposed theories. EVERYTHING is incomplete in both of the studies.

From the 1st article: "As discussed above, we do not know for certain, at present, any other component causes in the ‘schizophrenia constellation’. We can make some broad suggestions. A component cause, even if it is very common, will rarely cause a disorder if the other component causes in the causal constellation are rare."

From the 2nd article: "Marijuana is used therapeutically for several conditions, including treatment of pain and inflammation, nausea caused by cancer chemotherapy, and muscle spasms associated with multiple sclerosis (for review, see Hollister, 1986). However, clinical use of cannabinoids may be compromised by their disruptive effects on information processing and storage. Although there is no direct evidence that marijuana is neurotoxic for human brain, some of the memory deficits associated with its use may be caused by neuronal death in the hippocampus. Consequently, memory defects caused by marijuana might be reduced by aspirin, indomethacin, or vitamin E. Interestingly, clinical studies indicate that elevation of prostaglandins caused by marijuana smoking can be suppressed by indomethacin (Perez Reyes et al., 1991). This indicates that marijuana use in humans activates the PLA2-COX pathway and suggests that indomethacin or aspirin might be appropriate for protection against cannabinoids. Although speculative, this hypothesis is based on an analysis of the molecular mechanisms underlying THC neurotoxicity. The identification of pharmacological methods to prevent marijuana neurotoxicity may be an important consideration when using marijuana medicinally. "

How many old people you know have memory problems? A SHITLOAD, and not all of them are attributed to Marijuana smoking. My grandmother never smoked anything in her life and can barely remember who the *** I am

read your ***COMPLETELY before you try and disprove what I said.
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By Fenrir.Scragg 2009-11-08 23:43:58  
Lakshmi.Drekien said:
My grandmother never smoked anything in her life and can barely remember who the *** I am


Reading this and looking at your avatar brought a smile to my face.
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By Lakshmi.Drekien 2009-11-08 23:45:05  
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Lakshmi.Drekien said:
My grandmother never smoked anything in her life and can barely remember who the *** I am


Reading this and looking at your avatar brought a smile to my face.


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By Garuda.Wooooodum 2009-11-08 23:45:13  
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I gave credit to both Narrubia and Dasva's points as they backed them up with researched resources. One of the worthwhile informative posts I've seen from you in this thread was the comparison of marijuana and alcohol, otherwise you're either interjecting "witty" comments, or just taking a condescending tone with people not quite as enlightened as yourself. Much like the assertion you're making now that I somehow don't believe anything anyone says unless they reference the almighty internets in tandem. The distinction being that I think what I think based off of what I've learned up to this point and will read, but not necessarily believe whatever is randomly written. Certainly more apt to believe convincing, civil discussion, though, as well as documented research, as are most people, I'd think. I'm almost convinced you'll consider me twisting your words, but this is in essence what you said and would've been achieved much quicker by simply saying I was close-minded.


It wasn't, in essence, what I was saying, and the fact you're close minded isn't what I was implying. I'm sorry if it came over that way but, simply put, that's not what I think of you at all; from this thread, or any other we've had a discussion in.

This:

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So what it ultimately boils down to is the fact you think what you think, and unless somebody quotes and links to articles of somebody else saying it, you won't believe it?


Was asked because that is the conclusion I came to from your post. Not to poke at the fact you were doing it. Maybe it should've been on a paragraph of its own to seperate it from the proceeding rant?

Seraph.Caiyuo said:
Since Aaroca noted it was straight copy and paste I took the liberty to actually check to find the source: http://www.drugpolicy.org/marijuana/factsmyths/


Thanks, and I will have a read of this now.

Seraph.Caiyuo said:
You consider the way you address Aaroca giving it your time and interest?


All but the specific sentence I quoted, yes. The sentence I quoted is, as we've established, incorrect from my point of view. Well, to be pedantic, it is incorrect, but that's not the point. So I wasn't polite enough? I wasn't yelling or shouting, and if this was a discussion over a table, you would've perceived this point differently. Such is the woe of posting on forums, you either have to describe every post in immaculate detail to prevent somebody misperceiving your intention, or you're not clear enough and you leave it open to misinterpretation. I assure you if this was over an over the table debate, not only would you not have perceived it that way, but I also wouldn't have said it that way.

Seraph.Caiyuo said:
I'd wager to most it looked like you swatted the post away without a second thought


To anyone who knows the inside out of the point, I'm sure they would've nodded in agreement. If they disagreed, so what? This is a discussion and people aren't always going to agree with something I say. I don't try to sugar coat my words and be touchy and cushy with them, because if people agree, they agree. I'm merely discussing this topic for sport and fun, not to try and convert people to my point of view. Maybe the manner in which I word my posts would be different and more enjoyable if I was.

Seraph.Caiyuo said:
then sought to disprove them by talking about something they weren't even addressing in a rather rude manner, i.e.: NAW GUYS ZERO TRUTH NOT EVEN LET ME SHOW U?


In fairness, I mentioned the point was ignored once, and not in a rude manner. As for the capitals bit, we've already been over that in previous posts.

Seraph.Caiyuo said:
I addressed what I thought of your other contributions to the thread earlier. That aside Aaroca's source as well as my own state the information to be true so a convincing, credible argument would be needed to believe otherwise, naturally. They aren't even necessarily disagreeing with your own, simply stating the effect to be minimal instead of the "die, lungs, die" picture you're painting. If you think that's extreme, choose a more accurate word than "kill," such as deteriorate.


The preceeding discussion before those posts was on the long term effects of what smoking drugs will do to you. There was no visible change of context, so I continued with the long term "Smoking will kill your lungs" mentality. Hence, whilst it may seem extreme, it was within context of the discussion at the time of posting.

Although that's just semantics. The tissue in the lungs aren't circulating the air properly due to the smoke congesting the bronchi. This results in small clots which prevent air circulating around the bronchi. Bronchi aren't connected to the bloodstream, so their only source of oxygen is the oxygen they breath in. When these clots form, they starve the bronchi of the oxygen so they fail to function, and eventually die, like any gangrous cell would. Since space is so confined within the lungs, the clots don't go away, and the cells continue to decay. This in turn leads to the forming of tumas, which get bigger as more bronchi die and eventually leads to full blown lung cancer. We could debate which word should've been used but that's aside the point; the bronchi are dying, whichever word you use.

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lung_cancer (My version is a paraphrasing of the part about the bronchi halfway down.)

Seraph.Caiyuo said:
Regardless, as you might imagine I'm more inclined to listen and entertain the posts of people who can tackle topics maturely.


Honestly, I don't think I've been immatured at all except for the occasional one liner remarks. You can clearly tell I give most my posts thought, and consider previous posts. If not, then, well, I guess I'm not doing my open minded nature justice in this thread.

Seraph.Caiyuo said:
I try to give everyone a fair shot, but between this and a few other recent threads you've given enough evidence of being an *** that, oh you guessed it, I'm believing it without someone having to link articles or anything.


Honestly, I've taken part in two debates: this one and the one about Marksmanship and Archery, that I can think we've clashed. The other one requires no sourcing because most of the readers play this game anyway. And in this article, perhaps I could've sourced, but as I said before, the main conflict I had with the point that I was an "***" to, I perceive to be incorrect. I'm not here to make people see my point of view. I'm here to discuss the subject, express my opinion, and argue other people's opinions with them. Call me what you will for doing that, it doesn't matter either way to me.

Seraph.Caiyuo said:
Niiiiight, MJ thread.


Sleep well!
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By Asura.Korpg 2009-11-08 23:45:34  
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Ok first off, both of those articles Dasva, only show "potential risks", "casual effects" and "possible results". But from every result and conclusive statements in each article do NOT show proven results or complete data to support any of the proposed theories. EVERYTHING is incomplete in both of the studies. From the 1st article: "As discussed above, we do not know for certain, at present, any other component causes in the ‘schizophrenia constellation’. We can make some broad suggestions. A component cause, even if it is very common, will rarely cause a disorder if the other component causes in the causal constellation are rare." From the 2nd article: "Marijuana is used therapeutically for several conditions, including treatment of pain and inflammation, nausea caused by cancer chemotherapy, and muscle spasms associated with multiple sclerosis (for review, see Hollister, 1986). However, clinical use of cannabinoids may be compromised by their disruptive effects on information processing and storage. Although there is no direct evidence that marijuana is neurotoxic for human brain, some of the memory deficits associated with its use may be caused by neuronal death in the hippocampus. Consequently, memory defects caused by marijuana might be reduced by aspirin, indomethacin, or vitamin E. Interestingly, clinical studies indicate that elevation of prostaglandins caused by marijuana smoking can be suppressed by indomethacin (Perez Reyes et al., 1991). This indicates that marijuana use in humans activates the PLA2-COX pathway and suggests that indomethacin or aspirin might be appropriate for protection against cannabinoids. Although speculative, this hypothesis is based on an analysis of the molecular mechanisms underlying THC neurotoxicity. The identification of pharmacological methods to prevent marijuana neurotoxicity may be an important consideration when using marijuana medicinally. " How many old people you know have memory problems? A SHITLOAD, and not all of them are attributed to Marijuana smoking. My grandmother never smoked anything in her life and can barely remember who the *** I am read your ***COMPLETELY before you try and disprove what I said.

Its hard to show any proof from anything without a complete study.

Meaning, taking a test sample from a group of smokers and a test sample from a group of non-smokers, and comparing brain activities between the two over a long course of time.

There hasn't been enough time for there to be any long-term effects to happen.

There isn't a need to study this either.

There will be a need in the near future, and there will be a better pool of test subjects (thank you California for providing our pot-head test subjects) for both sides of the spectrum.

But now, all we have is a correlation, not a causation.
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2009-11-08 23:47:34  
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Ok first off, both of those articles Dasva, only show "potential risks", "casual effects" and "possible results". But from every result and conclusive statements in each article do NOT show proven results or complete data to support any of the proposed theories. EVERYTHING is incomplete in both of the studies. From the 1st article: "As discussed above, we do not know for certain, at present, any other component causes in the ‘schizophrenia constellation’. We can make some broad suggestions. A component cause, even if it is very common, will rarely cause a disorder if the other component causes in the causal constellation are rare." From the 2nd article: "Marijuana is used therapeutically for several conditions, including treatment of pain and inflammation, nausea caused by cancer chemotherapy, and muscle spasms associated with multiple sclerosis (for review, see Hollister, 1986). However, clinical use of cannabinoids may be compromised by their disruptive effects on information processing and storage. Although there is no direct evidence that marijuana is neurotoxic for human brain, some of the memory deficits associated with its use may be caused by neuronal death in the hippocampus. Consequently, memory defects caused by marijuana might be reduced by aspirin, indomethacin, or vitamin E. Interestingly, clinical studies indicate that elevation of prostaglandins caused by marijuana smoking can be suppressed by indomethacin (Perez Reyes et al., 1991). This indicates that marijuana use in humans activates the PLA2-COX pathway and suggests that indomethacin or aspirin might be appropriate for protection against cannabinoids. Although speculative, this hypothesis is based on an analysis of the molecular mechanisms underlying THC neurotoxicity. The identification of pharmacological methods to prevent marijuana neurotoxicity may be an important consideration when using marijuana medicinally. "

You keep reading. And stop picking out just what you want to hear. If you notice the first one showed study after study of greatly increased chances of going crazy! And the 2nd one showed time and time again how it does in fact kill brain cells
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By Garuda.Wooooodum 2009-11-08 23:47:39  
Lakshmi.Aaroca said:
Wait, a lot of things kill your brain cells. Stress, eating junk food, lack of exercise, sitting in front of a computer...


I agree, that is very true. But this thread is, "Marijuana should be legalised", not, "Lack of exercise and junk food should be illegalised". Whilst it's a very accurate comment, it doesn't really have much of a difference on whether marijuana should be legalised or not.
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By Bahamut.Stanflame 2009-11-08 23:49:14  
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Lakshmi.Drekien said:
My grandmother never smoked anything in her life and can barely remember who the *** I am


Reading this and looking at your avatar brought a smile to my face.



Well mines remember me and she is almost 90. Problem is she does forget my uncles children name a lot because his 2 oldest sons grew up around here and their 2 halfb siblings did not and she forgot their names.

thinking of it means nothing because a lot causes memory loss. and some diseases do worse than that. Drugs makes it happen at an accelerated rate. then again effects people differently, I could be doing drugs for 15 years and somone who was doing it for less can be cold turkey and brain damaged and can' add numbers. it depends people's bodies are different it is random.


after a while my grandma will call one of my cousins by name which means she knows who they are but forgot their name. Stored in shot term memory. So yeah I think she is a fortunate one.
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By Lakshmi.Drekien 2009-11-08 23:49:48  
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Ok first off, both of those articles Dasva, only show "potential risks", "casual effects" and "possible results". But from every result and conclusive statements in each article do NOT show proven results or complete data to support any of the proposed theories. EVERYTHING is incomplete in both of the studies. From the 1st article: "As discussed above, we do not know for certain, at present, any other component causes in the ‘schizophrenia constellation’. We can make some broad suggestions. A component cause, even if it is very common, will rarely cause a disorder if the other component causes in the causal constellation are rare." From the 2nd article: "Marijuana is used therapeutically for several conditions, including treatment of pain and inflammation, nausea caused by cancer chemotherapy, and muscle spasms associated with multiple sclerosis (for review, see Hollister, 1986). However, clinical use of cannabinoids may be compromised by their disruptive effects on information processing and storage. Although there is no direct evidence that marijuana is neurotoxic for human brain, some of the memory deficits associated with its use may be caused by neuronal death in the hippocampus. Consequently, memory defects caused by marijuana might be reduced by aspirin, indomethacin, or vitamin E. Interestingly, clinical studies indicate that elevation of prostaglandins caused by marijuana smoking can be suppressed by indomethacin (Perez Reyes et al., 1991). This indicates that marijuana use in humans activates the PLA2-COX pathway and suggests that indomethacin or aspirin might be appropriate for protection against cannabinoids. Although speculative, this hypothesis is based on an analysis of the molecular mechanisms underlying THC neurotoxicity. The identification of pharmacological methods to prevent marijuana neurotoxicity may be an important consideration when using marijuana medicinally. "

You keep reading. And stop picking out just what you want to hear.


It's not what I want to hear, It's the *** synopsis and It's what the tests that your trying to disprove me with that are actually backfiring on you and supporting me.
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By Lakshmi.Drekien 2009-11-08 23:50:34  
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Ok first off, both of those articles Dasva, only show "potential risks", "casual effects" and "possible results". But from every result and conclusive statements in each article do NOT show proven results or complete data to support any of the proposed theories. EVERYTHING is incomplete in both of the studies. From the 1st article: "As discussed above, we do not know for certain, at present, any other component causes in the ‘schizophrenia constellation’. We can make some broad suggestions. A component cause, even if it is very common, will rarely cause a disorder if the other component causes in the causal constellation are rare." From the 2nd article: "Marijuana is used therapeutically for several conditions, including treatment of pain and inflammation, nausea caused by cancer chemotherapy, and muscle spasms associated with multiple sclerosis (for review, see Hollister, 1986). However, clinical use of cannabinoids may be compromised by their disruptive effects on information processing and storage. Although there is no direct evidence that marijuana is neurotoxic for human brain, some of the memory deficits associated with its use may be caused by neuronal death in the hippocampus. Consequently, memory defects caused by marijuana might be reduced by aspirin, indomethacin, or vitamin E. Interestingly, clinical studies indicate that elevation of prostaglandins caused by marijuana smoking can be suppressed by indomethacin (Perez Reyes et al., 1991). This indicates that marijuana use in humans activates the PLA2-COX pathway and suggests that indomethacin or aspirin might be appropriate for protection against cannabinoids. Although speculative, this hypothesis is based on an analysis of the molecular mechanisms underlying THC neurotoxicity. The identification of pharmacological methods to prevent marijuana neurotoxicity may be an important consideration when using marijuana medicinally. "

You keep reading. And stop picking out just what you want to hear. If you notice the first one showed study after study of greatly increased chances of going crazy! And the 2nd one showed time and time again how it does in fact kill brain cells


then quote and tell me what paragraph it says where it kills and completely destroys brain cells to where you in fact, become dumber.
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By Lakshmi.Aaroca 2009-11-08 23:51:01  
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Wait, a lot of things kill your brain cells. Stress, eating junk food, lack of exercise, sitting in front of a computer...
I agree, that is very true. But this thread is, "Marijuana should be legalised", not, "Lack of exercise and junk food should be illegalised". Whilst it's a very accurate comment, it doesn't really have much of a difference on whether marijuana should be legalised or not.

I was responding to a different point, though it may have been lost in translation because my quote doesn't work on anything longer than a decent paragraph.
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By Asura.Korpg 2009-11-08 23:51:28  
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Drugs makes it happen at an accelerated rate.

We don't know that. Thats the correlation. Its very hard to prove that at the moment though. Although I agree with you, I can't say that its true.
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By Lakshmi.Dmnone 2009-11-08 23:51:42  

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Wait, a lot of things kill your brain cells. Stress, eating junk food, lack of exercise, sitting in front of a computer...


I agree, that is very true. But this thread is, "Marijuana should be legalised", not, "Lack of exercise and junk food should be illegalised". Whilst it's a very accurate comment, it doesn't really have much of a difference on whether marijuana should be legalised or not.



I used spell check on legalised, and I am high, marijuana should be legalized
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By Lakshmi.Drekien 2009-11-08 23:52:15  
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Ok first off, both of those articles Dasva, only show "potential risks", "casual effects" and "possible results". But from every result and conclusive statements in each article do NOT show proven results or complete data to support any of the proposed theories. EVERYTHING is incomplete in both of the studies. From the 1st article: "As discussed above, we do not know for certain, at present, any other component causes in the ‘schizophrenia constellation’. We can make some broad suggestions. A component cause, even if it is very common, will rarely cause a disorder if the other component causes in the causal constellation are rare." From the 2nd article: "Marijuana is used therapeutically for several conditions, including treatment of pain and inflammation, nausea caused by cancer chemotherapy, and muscle spasms associated with multiple sclerosis (for review, see Hollister, 1986). However, clinical use of cannabinoids may be compromised by their disruptive effects on information processing and storage. Although there is no direct evidence that marijuana is neurotoxic for human brain, some of the memory deficits associated with its use may be caused by neuronal death in the hippocampus. Consequently, memory defects caused by marijuana might be reduced by aspirin, indomethacin, or vitamin E. Interestingly, clinical studies indicate that elevation of prostaglandins caused by marijuana smoking can be suppressed by indomethacin (Perez Reyes et al., 1991). This indicates that marijuana use in humans activates the PLA2-COX pathway and suggests that indomethacin or aspirin might be appropriate for protection against cannabinoids. Although speculative, this hypothesis is based on an analysis of the molecular mechanisms underlying THC neurotoxicity. The identification of pharmacological methods to prevent marijuana neurotoxicity may be an important consideration when using marijuana medicinally. " How many old people you know have memory problems? A SHITLOAD, and not all of them are attributed to Marijuana smoking. My grandmother never smoked anything in her life and can barely remember who the *** I am read your ***COMPLETELY before you try and disprove what I said.

Its hard to show any proof from anything without a complete study.

Meaning, taking a test sample from a group of smokers and a test sample from a group of non-smokers, and comparing brain activities between the two over a long course of time.

There hasn't been enough time for there to be any long-term effects to happen.

There isn't a need to study this either.

There will be a need in the near future, and there will be a better pool of test subjects (thank you California for providing our pot-head test subjects) for both sides of the spectrum.

But now, all we have is a correlation, not a causation.


Yes you are right. But all I'm trying to say is that if we are to legalize this ***, It wouldn't be the end of the world for humanity...potheads running around and what not. lol
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By Lakshmi.Dmnone 2009-11-08 23:52:22  
again im asking for a pros and cons post maybe one with more then one con or pro?
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By Garuda.Wooooodum 2009-11-08 23:52:22  
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I was responding to a different point, though it may have been lost in translation because my quote doesn't work on anything longer than a decent paragraph.


I'm having that problem too. I have your name in my clipboard at the moment because the quote button didn't work. Shame it's not happening to someone posting with the name "Bob".
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By Garuda.Wooooodum 2009-11-08 23:53:12  
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I used spell check on legalised, and I am high, marijuana should be legalized


It's legalised in the UK, same as color is colour, etc. Cultural differences, my spell checker says legalized is wrong.
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By Lakshmi.Drekien 2009-11-08 23:54:50  
Garuda.Wooooodum said:
Lakshmi.Aaroca said:
I was responding to a different point, though it may have been lost in translation because my quote doesn't work on anything longer than a decent paragraph.


I'm having that problem too. I have your name in my clipboard at the moment because the quote button didn't work. Shame it's not happening to someone posting with the name "Bob".


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