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By Laboob 2022-06-08 04:15:31  
We got a halo with dahaks on 4th floor today and our SCH said having enwater on prevents them from doing null song. we tried it, he did accession enwater, we didnt even sleep them, and none went off. Wondering if this was luck or is it true?
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By SimonSes 2022-06-08 04:24:59  
Its not about null song. Enwater (any water damage in general) simply reset their TP, so they can't TP move at all.
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By Asura.Sechs 2022-06-08 04:27:24  
They claim they were using TP moves regularly, like Body Slam, it's just that it was never nullsong.
Coincidence?
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By SimonSes 2022-06-08 05:07:06  
Asura.Sechs said: »
They claim they were using TP moves regularly, like Body Slam, it's just that it was never nullsong.
Coincidence?

Who said anything about them doing other TP moves? I don't see that in question. Also water damage doesn't block nullsong and also it's still possible to overcome that TP reset if enough people feed it with tp and not enough people reset TP with water damage (for example only one person having enwater).
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By Laboob 2022-06-08 06:23:10  
SimonSes said: »
Asura.Sechs said: »
They claim they were using TP moves regularly, like Body Slam, it's just that it was never nullsong.
Coincidence?

Who said anything about them doing other TP moves? I don't see that in question. Also water damage doesn't block nullsong and also it's still possible to overcome that TP reset if enough people feed it with tp and not enough people reset TP with water damage (for example only one person having enwater).


I told him in our LS discord before asking here. A body slam did go off.
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By Spookyfish89 2022-06-08 06:47:16  
Laboob said: »
I told him in our LS discord before asking here. A body slam did go off.

That would just be sheer luck that it was Body Slam. As Simon mentioned, water damage just resets their TP. You likely got TP'd by the one that was idle attacking your tank the longest without anyone damaging him(resetting TP via enwater)
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By Sylph.Funkworkz 2022-06-08 07:36:43  
Enwater gives them amnesia, so no it isn't tp reset. If it wears off, they will tp immediately since they will have tp accumulated.

Learned this from wtf in vanadiel.
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By SimonSes 2022-06-08 08:10:20  
Sylph.Funkworkz said: »
Enwater gives them amnesia, so no it isn't tp reset. If it wears off, they will tp immediately since they will have tp accumulated.

Learned this from wtf in vanadiel.

Must be the longest Amnesia effect ever then.
I went to Mount Zhayolm and hit Dahak 156 times with 1dmg sword with enwater and took it down to 24%HP. Turned away and 18 min later I still wait for it to tp move.
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By Lakshmi.Byrth 2022-06-08 08:18:55  
The original JP information that we're telephoning here indicated that water damage reduced their TP by some fixed amount (not a full reset).
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By Sylph.Funkworkz 2022-06-08 08:33:20  
SimonSes said: »
Sylph.Funkworkz said: »
Enwater gives them amnesia, so no it isn't tp reset. If it wears off, they will tp immediately since they will have tp accumulated.

Learned this from wtf in vanadiel.

Must be the longest Amnesia effect ever then.
I went to Mount Zhayolm and hit Dahak 156 times with 1dmg sword with enwater and took it down to 24%HP. Turned away and 18 min later I still wait for it to tp move.
So it might be plague then and not amnesia. Wota and fox need to confirm this, so apologies. I'll update when the consensus is determined.
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By waffle 2022-06-08 08:46:03  
For what it's worth, the jp wiki says water damage reduces their tp by 300. It also says that if you silence them (since that blocks the song tp moves) they gain a regain effect of 150 tp per tic while silenced.
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By SimonSes 2022-06-08 09:06:47  
waffle said: »
For what it's worth, the jp wiki says water damage reduces their tp by 300. It also says that if you silence them (since that blocks the song tp moves) they gain a regain effect of 150 tp per tic while silenced.

This seems accurate and would explain my testimony
SimonSes said: »
(...) and also it's still possible to overcome that TP reset if enough people feed it with tp and not enough people reset TP with water damage (for example only one person having enwater).
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By Asura.Wotasu 2022-06-08 10:45:39  
It's plain TP reduction, tested on Drk with Absorb-TP.
Fire also feeds them 500TP per hit, using 4x Fire 1 made it always use a TP move.
And Subtle-Blow also effects TP feed from nukes.
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19:42:34[Wotasu] Absorb-TP ¨ Dahak
19:42:34[Wotasu] 0 TP Absorb-TP ¨ Dahak
19:42:39[Wotasu] Aero ¨ Dahak
19:42:39[Wotasu] 782 Aero ¨ Dahak
19:42:43[Wotasu] Sleep ¨ Dahak
19:42:44 Wotasu Sleep ¨ Dahak (asleep)
19:42:54[Wotasu] Absorb-TP ¨ Dahak
19:42:54[Wotasu] 20 TP Absorb-TP ¨ Dahak
19:43:01[Wotasu] Fire ¨ Dahak
19:43:01The Dahak is no longer asleep.
19:43:01[Wotasu] 360 Fire ¨ Dahak
19:43:08[Wotasu] Water ¨ Dahak
19:43:08[Wotasu] 773 Water ¨ Dahak
19:43:12[Wotasu] Water ¨ Dahak
19:43:12[Wotasu] 773 Water ¨ Dahak
19:43:16[Wotasu] Absorb-TP ¨ Dahak
19:43:16[Wotasu] 80 TP Absorb-TP ¨ Dahak
19:43:20[Wotasu] Water ¨ Dahak
19:43:21[Wotasu] 773 Water ¨ Dahak
19:43:24[Wotasu] Sleep ¨ Dahak
19:43:25 Wotasu Sleep ¨ Dahak (asleep)
19:43:35[Wotasu] Absorb-TP ¨ Dahak
19:43:35[Wotasu] 0 TP Absorb-TP ¨ Dahak
19:43:40[Wotasu] Fire ¨ Dahak
19:43:40 The Dahak is no longer asleep.
19:43:40[Wotasu] 399 Fire ¨ Dahak
19:43:44[Wotasu] Sleep ¨ Dahak
19:43:45 Wotasu Sleep ¨ Dahak (asleep)
19:43:55[Wotasu] Absorb-TP ¨ Dahak
19:43:55[Wotasu] 250 TP Absorb-TP ¨ Dahak
19:44:45 The Dahak is no longer asleep.
19:44:47[Dahak] 10 hit ¨ Wotasu
19:44:51[Dahak] 29 hit ¨ Wotasu
19:45:03[Dahak] 18 hit ¨ Wotasu
19:45:12[Dahak] 30 hit ¨ Wotasu
19:45:17[Wotasu] Absorb-TP ¨ Dahak
19:45:17[Wotasu] 250 TP Absorb-TP ¨ Dahak
19:45:19[Dahak] 12 hit ¨ Wotasu
19:45:22[Wotasu] Water ¨ Dahak
19:45:23[Wotasu] 778 Water ¨ Dahak
19:45:24[Dahak] 18 hit ¨ Wotasu
19:45:36[Dahak] 27 hit ¨ Wotasu
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By Spookyfish89 2022-06-08 14:22:00  
Asura.Wotasu said: »
It's plain TP reduction, tested on Drk with Absorb-TP.
Fire also feeds them 500TP per hit, using 4x Fire 1 made it always use a TP move.
And Subtle-Blow also effects TP feed from nukes.

Thanks for confirming. I vaguely recall an ambu month where we had to kill a Dahak using enwater to curb his TP gain. I knew it wasn't any form of amnesia or plague because if we had too many people on it, it eventually TP'd regardless.
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By Ragnarok.Martel 2022-06-08 14:55:12  
Hmmmm. I wonder if you can keep the Enwater enchantment from these after unequipping them?
https://www.ffxiah.com/item/14992/water-mitts
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By Asura.Wotasu 2022-06-08 15:22:19  
Ragnarok.Martel said: »
Hmmmm. I wonder if you can keep the Enwater enchantment from these after unequipping them?
https://www.ffxiah.com/item/14992/water-mitts
I just tested with Blizzard Gloves and the effect lasts 3min even after swapping out the Gloves, but it's an 30sec~ equip before use crap.
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By Bahamut.Pikohan 2022-06-08 15:31:42  
Ragnarok.Martel said: »
Hmmmm. I wonder if you can keep the Enwater enchantment from these after unequipping them?
https://www.ffxiah.com/item/14992/water-mitts

Just tested Water Mitts and just like Blizzard Gloves mentioned above, Enwater is kept even after swapping them out.
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By Carbuncle.Maletaru 2022-06-08 15:31:46  
Just made and tested the water mitts, the enchantment does stay on even after you remove the gloves. Unfortunately not too many good melee jobs can use them...MNK BRD BLU I guess?
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By Ragnarok.Martel 2022-06-08 15:36:41  
Hmm, yeah, 30 seconds before use is kinda brutal.

I wish SE would just remove all of those delays.
Carbuncle.Maletaru said: »
Just made and tested the water mitts, the enchantment does stay on even after you remove the gloves. Unfortunately not too many good melee jobs can use them...MNK BRD BLU I guess?
Oh. yeah, that is a really limited job selection.
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By Laboob 2022-06-08 19:30:04  
Ragnarok.Martel said: »
Hmm, yeah, 30 seconds before use is kinda brutal.

I wish SE would just remove all of those delays.
Carbuncle.Maletaru said: »
Just made and tested the water mitts, the enchantment does stay on even after you remove the gloves. Unfortunately not too many good melee jobs can use them...MNK BRD BLU I guess?
Oh. yeah, that is a really limited job selection.

yeah, with the delay on them and the limited job selection (BRD and RNG? only being viable meta seg farm options), i guess its only viable with a SCH/RDM in the party.
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By Ragnarok.Martel 2022-06-08 20:43:16  
Scroll of instant enwater, {where?}
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By Hopalong 2022-06-08 21:31:51  
If we are talking Odyssey and zooming floors, I can't see waiting 30sec+ for item use acceptable.

I'd say keep using scholar enwaterga on Dahaks is a decent conclusion.
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By Asura.Nalfey 2022-06-09 04:02:49  
Get the PLD to use Cancrine Apron’s Aquaspike before pulling the dahaks
https://www.bg-wiki.com/ffxi/Cancrine_Apron_%2B1
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By Laboob 2022-06-09 04:50:43  
Asura.Nalfey said: »
Get the PLD to use Cancrine Apron’s Aquaspike before pulling the dahaks
https://www.bg-wiki.com/ffxi/Cancrine_Apron_%2B1


Nice item. Except i doubt it would be as predictable as everyone in the party having enwater. The tp they gain is mostly from being hit. Considering their attack speed and tp/hit vs the melee swings done on them, I’m sure they’ll still gain enough TP to null song or
Body slam. Especially if not 1 shotted.
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By SimonSes 2022-06-09 05:38:17  
The best solution is DRG w Naegling. One shots with Savage before any TP move ;) (even at 4th floor, especially with circle active).
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By Bahamut.Belkin 2022-06-09 07:51:37  
hi all i try enwater spider still use TP move plz help
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By Fenrir.Melphina 2022-06-09 08:29:22  
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hi all i try enwater spider still use TP move plz help

Not sure if this is a serious or troll post, but either way. The discussion is only relevant to Dahaks. Spiders and any other mob family are not affected by enwater like they are.
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By Asura.Topace 2022-06-09 08:38:46  
Bahamut.Belkin said: »
hi all i try enwater spider still use TP move plz help
Please send a request to Help Desk.
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By Bahamut.Negan 2022-06-09 08:54:58  
Bahamut.Belkin said: »
hi all i try enwater spider still use TP move plz help
Enwater takes time to proc
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By Asura.Geriond 2022-06-09 09:00:11  
SimonSes said: »
The best solution is DRG w Naegling. One shots with Savage before any TP move ;) (even at 4th floor, especially with circle active).
Plus if you whiff your Savsge, you can Super Jump to erase hate amd then run out of range for everyone else to get hit instead!
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