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By tyalangan 2020-10-13 13:13:40  
Apologies for lack of OP updates last month and a delay this month as IRL has a hold on me (completely forgot about an update until I noticed there was one when I logged in today). I hate to disrupt the good conversation flow on the old thread but for longevity I think a new thread is preferable.

BG Ambuscade Archive:
https://www.bg-wiki.com/bg/Ambuscade_Archive#Troll

Old Thread:
https://www.ffxiah.com/forum/topic/52958/ambuscade-volume-1-november-2018/4/#3547986

Key Item Locations:
  • Troll Fugitives Superior Private (Rank 3) Assault.

  • Survival Guide (Mamool Ja Savagelands) to Wajaom Woodlands at (C-8).

  • HP mount zhayolm south to Halvung

  • VW warp Mount Zhayolm and head a bit to the west.


Videos:
VD Melee BLM & COR En-water Using Dahak TP Battery - 3:26 via Indigla

Key Notes:

Strategies:
VE-D
Asura.Eiryl said: »
tl:dr

Tank tanks, 1 person spams aoe physical, 1 person spams aoe magical. get tp from the boss. That's literally it. Boss dies, kill adds.
VD Standard Setup
Ruaumoko said: »
Need to Silence the Zahak as soon as it's pulled, if it does Nullsong it's a wipe.

DD's get on the MB, Bruiser.

Tank calls out Auras on other trolls when they see them, then DD have to respond with an AoE physical or magic WS.
VD SMN Setup
Pantafernando said: »
Still semi burnable.
2 SMN RUN GEO
Volt Strike.
Boss > dahak > 2x RNG during conduit, dont burn on pld either because it can block and at half HP it will use invincible
Conduit clears boss and leftover to kill dahak and one add, then normal BPs to deal with the rest.
Confirming En-Water on Dahak
Bismarck.Radec said: »
To confirm - running the note at 0:36 through OCR translation gives
"Dahak has the property to decrease TP when water attribute damage is inflicted, so use accession on rdm/sch and apply water"
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By Asura.Warusha 2020-10-13 14:35:51  
So is that BLM just using shattersoul? I didn't see cataclysm or vidohunir. I didn't see any spellcasting either. Am I missing something?
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By Shiva.Ariaum 2020-10-13 14:43:35  
Asura.Warusha said: »
So is that BLM just using shattersoul? I didn't see cataclysm or vidohunir. I didn't see any spellcasting either. Am I missing something?

I don't get the blm thing either.... it has a magic AoE WS...just showing you can use anything idk lol.
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By SimonSes 2020-10-13 14:56:01  
Asura.Warusha said: »
So is that BLM just using shattersoul? I didn't see cataclysm or vidohunir. I didn't see any spellcasting either. Am I missing something?

Shiva.Ariaum said: »
I don't get the blm thing either.... it has a magic AoE WS...just showing you can use anything idk lol.

Not sure if we are watching the same video lol
1. He uses Vidohunir ONLY
2. He casts death (cant see casting, but you can see his whole MP gone and over 1000 gain in TP) after first Vidohunir on boss (he lower his TP from 3000 to 2900+ to trigger almost max potency AM2 with first Vidohunir) mostly for Occult Acumen to have TP for another Vidohunir right away. EDIT: Then he uses convert and he casts 2nd Death to kill Boss after 2nd Darkness.
3. He is using Vidohunir for 3 reasons. First to open Darkness for COR following with Leaden Salute. Second to apply -10 MDB before that Leaden + Darkness (both leaden and darkness doing 99k in the video on almost everything. I think Leaden did like 70k+ once on boss). That skillchain one shots everything beside boss. Boss is taken down by two of those skillchains + 2x Death. Lastly third, because in this setup its a decent damage (hits for around 45-47k).
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By Lakshmi.Buukki 2020-10-13 15:53:40  
I like when players are creative like that with different strategies. Looks like fun, and good opportunity to use BLM.
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By Bismarck.Indigla 2020-10-13 15:55:24  
What equip lowers TP like that?
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By Asura.Eiryl 2020-10-13 15:58:23  
https://www.bg-wiki.com/bg/Chrys._Torque
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By Phoenix.Logical 2020-10-13 16:01:35  
Usual monthly video showing Solo strategy for month and discussing party strategies. Looks like there are a bunch of idea's on how to handle this one in a party setup this month. Good to see.

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By Asura.Kronkeykong 2020-10-13 16:02:59  
SimonSes said: »
Asura.Warusha said: »
So is that BLM just using shattersoul? I didn't see cataclysm or vidohunir. I didn't see any spellcasting either. Am I missing something?

Shiva.Ariaum said: »
I don't get the blm thing either.... it has a magic AoE WS...just showing you can use anything idk lol.

Not sure if we are watching the same video lol
1. He uses Vidohunir ONLY
2. He casts death (cant see casting, but you can see his whole MP gone and over 1000 gain in TP) after first Vidohunir on boss (he lower his TP from 3000 to 2900+ to trigger almost max potency AM2 with first Vidohunir) mostly for Occult Acumen to have TP for another Vidohunir right away. EDIT: Then he uses convert and he casts 2nd Death to kill Boss after 2nd Darkness.
3. He is using Vidohunir for 3 reasons. First to open Darkness for COR following with Leaden Salute. Second to apply -10 MDB before that Leaden + Darkness (both leaden and darkness doing 99k in the video on almost everything. I think Leaden did like 70k+ once on boss). That skillchain one shots everything beside boss. Boss is taken down by two of those skillchains + 2x Death. Lastly third, because in this setup its a decent damage (hits for around 45-47k).


Watching the video I can't see why they're was no auras from the adds. Normally the auras spawn 15s in.
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By Asura.Eiryl 2020-10-13 16:08:28  
iirc the auras start after the boss takes initial damage

Boss takes first damage at 27:54 and is dead at 27:38 (ish)

Boss only has 600k - 2 Leaden SC's are 400k
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By Asura.Jdove 2020-10-13 19:53:13  
Damn I thought this topic was gonna be people trolling ambuscade ; ;
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By Aerison 2020-10-13 20:45:11  
Asura.Jdove said: »
Damn I thought this topic was gonna be people trolling ambuscade ; ;
No you didn't.
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By Cerberus.Tikal 2020-10-14 20:39:56  
Wait, so if we don't hit the boss, the auras won't start?
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By Asura.Eiryl 2020-10-14 20:44:48  
Flash is at 29:00 and no troll takes any damage until 27:53 and they have no auras for a full minute, so... yes?

I don't know if you could kill all the adds without starting the aura.. but that would leave the boss with an aura, and you really don't want that... if that was what you were thinking.
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By Shiva.Eightball 2020-10-14 20:52:29  
So I don’t see anything mentioning boss absorbing magic dmg, did VD and all magic WSs got absorbed by boss.
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By Asura.Eiryl 2020-10-14 20:54:56  
Asura.Eiryl said: »
Quote:
Uses the following moves only while aura is active:
Supersonic: Status Enhancement (AoE) Gains an undispellable magic absorption shield and regen effect.

Means you were too slow on the aura killing, so you get slowed down, for being slow
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By Cerberus.Tikal 2020-10-14 20:58:12  
Asura.Eiryl said: »
Flash is at 29:00 and no troll takes any damage until 27:53 and they have no auras for a full minute, so... yes?

I don't know if you could kill all the adds without starting the aura.. but that would leave the boss with an aura, and you really don't want that... if that was what you were thinking.

Nah, just gives some breathing room for tank to settle into position. Was worried about getting TP before the auras went up.
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By Asura.Geriond 2020-10-14 21:37:35  
So, the boss uses "Flare Death Ray" while the aura is up, not Pleiades Ray. Is that just a rename, or does it do something different?
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By Ragnarok.Jukiro 2020-10-14 23:17:11  
it doesn't add petrify, that's about it.

for more clarity on the JP video strat:

RUN COR BLM RDM GEO BRD

GEO: acumen/malaise entrust focus
BRD: march madrigal AGI etudes for COR, INT etudes for BLM
RDM/SCH: aoe enwater, frazzle3
COR: wiz/warlock, dark shot before leaden
RUN: tenebrae + gambit/rayke just before skillchain
BLM: vidohunir (mythic ws) and death

As long as you don't damage the megaboss, it does not get an aura.
Builds tp on dahak with enwater provided by RDM.
RUN uses gambit, runes, then rayke.
RDM uses spontaneity on the BLM
Skillchain is { Vidohunir > Leaden > Death } x2 and its basically dead.

My group earlier today tried to replicate this without a BLM and it kinda works, we did Leaden > aeolian > leaden which did about 50% hp but then you still have to deal with aura.
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By Shiva.Larrymc 2020-10-15 04:50:50  
Just in case it was not already clear - the Bruiser megaboss will first get an aura 30 seconds after it takes damage (and possibly any damage to the troll adds? will trigger the damage window timer). If it takes no damage, it will never get an aura.

The SMN burn method and the BLM Death MB method require that you kill the Bruiser megaboss in the 30 second window after you first damage the Bruiser megaboss.
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By Shiva.Cerderic 2020-10-15 09:44:05  
Couldn't find much on Easy solo other than the video above which includes Monberaux so I thought I'd toss this out there.

E is probably not soloable (at least with any consistency) without Monberaux. I did maybe 20 attempts as a well geared BLU. Best strategy I found: Sub WHM. Use a remedy when the AoE crap hits (wipe paralyze and silence), silena your WHM (or others as needed). Trusts: AAEV, Selh, Joachim, Arciela, Cherukiki. I found AAEV much better at keeping hate than August, Selh is a must because the plague will drain your mages' MP.

The real problem I ran into is the hate reset and hundred fists. It takes a few seconds to use a remedy and silena, so if hundred fists is up, a trust will definitely be dead before your WHM can recover. I had better luck killing the Sharpshooter before the boss, but I never did manage to clear it. Perhaps NIN/WHM could do it this way, but I found even in decked out PDT / Cocoon etc, I could not tank hundred fists at all.
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By Cerberus.Tikal 2020-10-15 10:13:55  
Pretty fast composition for N and D:

1 AoE Magic-WS DPS
1 AoE Physical-WS DPS
1 DPS focused on boss
Tank
Healer (Not a heavy healing requirement for N)
1 Support, preferably with an iteration of magic haste

Dies in like 3 minutes.
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By kasnuaku 2020-10-15 14:05:39  
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By gojito 2020-10-15 15:58:17  
Just noticed something on my run today.

Removing RNG auras locks Pleiades Ray
Removing PLD auras locks Supersonic

We tried killing off all RNG to see if that would speed up our run, but quickly found out that the boss will get that ability unlocked again after all adds of that type are dead.

Just food for thought since this may open up other zerg/solo strats since the RNG locked ability is the most annoying.
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By Bismarck.Indigla 2020-10-17 02:11:22  
An extra bit of info, on VD flash from the PLDs (they're also immune to silence?) on people on AoE duty can spell disaster in preventing them from getting TP in time to remove aura with/miss a physical AoE. Seems like whoever is standing closest will be the flash target, so it's good to have a GEO right on the PLDs if possible. Maybe this is a mechanic that always has been, not just in this Ambuscade and I just never knew about it?

Also it takes very little water damage to prevent TP moves from the Dahak. Subjob RUN hitting for 4/hit with Unda runes was enough.

Edit: this is called Super Speed now btw.
tyalangan said: »
Supersonic: Status Enhancement (AoE) Gains an undispellable magic absorption shield and regen effect.
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By eeternal 2020-10-17 12:22:11  
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Impressive 2 mins kill no smn ;p .. Props to Xolla.. a great player
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By Bismarck.Indigla 2020-10-18 13:02:58  
eeternal said: »
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Impressive 2 mins kill no smn ;p .. Props to Xolla.. a great player
OCR'd the notes in the video if anyone wants to make heads or tails of some of the lines (it might have made a mistake on a character or two idk, mostly seemed ok though). Google Translate tries its hardest.
Quote:
敵が複数居て範囲攻撃に耐性がない場合、範囲WSは
削り効率がかなり良いです。
イオリアンエッジが20000出るなら今月のアンバスの敵は6体
つまりIWSで12万削ることが出来ます。
というわけで今回はイオリアンエッジ支援に特化した編成です
編成:剣戦青コ赤風
風のマレーズと青のテーリングガストで魔防を下げ、剣のガンビ
でダメージを上げ、戦のサべッジリでTPボーナスさせます。
ボスのHP護衛のHP約20万なのでその差分を
戦青メインでボス削ります。
ボスのHP約57万護衛のHP約20万なのでその差分を
戦青メインでボス削ります。
剣が引っ張り中に赤がフうズル、風がディスベガを入れます。
角に集まったら剣のガンビスタートで戦闘開始です。
物理の支援はインデフレイルとエントラフューリーのみです
+風のディアⅡです。
戦青は連携をつなげて削ります。この時戦フラッシュ
くらいましたけど意外と当たってる模様。
フルブレイク→アップヒーバル→サべッジ(青)→アップヒーバル
の4連携に青風でMBも入れます。
蓮携後狩護衛にエフェクトが発生したら戦フェルクリで
消します。ナ護衛はイオリで勝手に消えます。
綺麗に削れるとボスと護衛が同時に死ぬくらいになります

If there are multiple enemies and they are not resistant to range attacks, the range WS will
The shaving efficiency is quite good.
If Iorian Edge comes out 20000, there are 6 enemies of Ambass this month
In other words, IWS can cut 120,000.
That's why this time it is an organization specializing in Iorian edge support
Organization: Sword Battle Aoko Red Wind
Wind Marais and blue tailing gust lower the magic defense, sword gambi
Increase the damage with and give a TP bonus with the battle savage.
The boss's HP escort's HP is about 200,000, so the difference
I will shave the boss in the battle blue main.
The boss's HP is about 570,000 and the escort's HP is about 200,000, so the difference
I will shave the boss in the battle blue main.
While the sword is pulling, the red is fluffy and the wind is disvega.
When you gather in the corner, the battle starts with the sword's Gambi start.
Physical support is only Indefrail and Entrafury
+ Wind Deer II.
Sensei connects and scrapes cooperation. This time battle flash
It seems that it hits unexpectedly though it was about.
Full break → Uphealth → Savage (blue) → Uphealth
MB is also included in the 4 linkages with blue wind.
If the effect occurs on the hunting escort after the lotus, in the battle Ferukuri
I'll erase it. Na escort disappears by itself with Iori.
If you scrape it cleanly, the boss and the escort will die at the same time.
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By Ragnarok.Jukiro 2020-10-18 13:24:48  
Setup:
RUN WAR BLU COR RDM GEO

GEO uses Indi-Frailty, Geo-Malaise, and Entrust-Fury
BLU uses Tearing Gust (magic defense down)
WAR is there for Warcry/Savagery TP Bonus
COR does SAM roll and MNK roll (Subtle blow)

Everyone other than the WAR and BLU will spam Aeolian Edge/MB.

BLU and WAR target the main boss, it has about 570k HP.
The adds have about 200k HP.
On pull, RDM does Frazzle/Enwater and engages dahak with COR, GEO does dispelga followed by Dia II.
RUN will use gambit and flash as expected.
BLU and WAR skillchain is:
Full Break > Upheaval > Savage Blade(BLU) > Upheaval
BLU and GEO should magic burst off of this as much as possible.
WAR should use Fell Cleave afterwards.
If done correctly, they will all die at the same time.
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By Odin.Sudra 2020-10-18 14:26:53  
While the sword is pulling, the red is fluffy

I think this is the key :p
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