Craft 107!?

My question is about Moglification:Craft. A lot of people don't know it adds+1 craft skill but my conundrum is, if Moghancement:Craft also gives +1 and you must have both layed out in house for Moglification to be in effect then its "possible" they stack, giving you a +2 In total. Now before people go off on rants and raves about what they know or how much they have crafted and are experts, what I'm looking for is some proof. Something solid or a statement by SE? After adding Moglifiction, I have seen an increase of tier1 HQ go from 10-12% to 15-18% in a little over a years time. So if anyone knows specific info on this, I would love to see it.

that's not even how tiers work lol. basically its just a +1 that also reduces chances of item lost so you dont have to swap between +1 or desynth

Hell your putting out 10-12% on t1 as it is, share with me!!

I use to wonder the same thing but I can guarantee you that Moglification:Craft DOES NOT Increase skill by +2 instead of +1, and heres how i know.

A good friend of mine quit the game back in Febuary 09' and to ensure that she would never come back she used the Guild NPC to reset her craft lvl from 100 to 60 AND deleted her account /sigh. But before she deleted she tested out moglification the same way you test for a levels cap/sub cap. And as it turned out putting just 1 of either Furniture in her mog increased by 1 skill, However putting both in DID NOT increase the skill by 2.

Pretty simple test, even tho i'm sure most would rather just take it at value instead of trying it themselves.

I thought 10%ish was normal for Tier1...

Well... It is. But some Tier1's enjoy a lovely 5%ot HQ rate, and others have to suffer with a 15%ot HQ rate. Take the averge of them and we get a 10% HQ ot average.

but i thought being able to do the recipe was based on native skill only.

moglification just adds the chance of less materials lost on breaking. HOWEVER, if you ONLY have the sign then it is +1. if you have our guild's sign and your guild's furniture piece then it is ONLY +1 and a chance to reduce the materials lost if you break the synth NOT +2.

I haven't done any serious "scientific" testing myself, so can only say that I personally have not noticed any increase in HQ chances since having Moglification Alchemy active with both the items in my Mog house. I have noticed fewer lost items when I have breaks, but not any really significant change in the HQ rate myself.

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Not true, Moglification adds +1 skill as well. Thats not what I am debating though.

no. moglification does NOT add skill.

you can not get +1 from your guild furniture AND +1 from your sign. you can't get +2 total. you CAN get +1 from the sign if you don't have any other guild furniture, but that isn't moglification.

If it did give +2 for having both mog house items than Cursed Gloves would go from a tier 0 to a tier 1, which is just not the case.

I'm pretty sure he meant that when you get the 'Moglification' you don't "lose" the +1 you got from the Moghancment. From having the Moglification you get less material loss AND it gives you the +1 skill.

^ no, he thinks it's +2

The easiest way I can see to test this out is to mass produce something that has a skill cap at 76 or 96, while having all of the Guild Points items and the advanced support. This would theoretically increase those synths to T2 and T1 HQ ranges respectively, if the moglification does add +2. If it doesn't, then it'd remain as T1 and T0, and increases in Tiers for HQ ranges is quite easy to spot, so if someone did this I think we'd have a pretty solid answer to this question. I'd test it myself, but I don't have either furniture piece :x

I just meant a lot of people think you lose the +1 with Moglification. I only suspect your get +2 with both of them.

you don't get +2 is what i am saying.

you get +1 for moghansment.

you get the +1 (from the previous moghasment) loss of materials if broken with moglification.

the sign can also give moghasment if you don't have the guild furniture.

HOWEVER YOU DO NOT GET +2 IF YOU HAVE BOTH ONLY +1 AND THE CHANCE TO LOSE LESS MATERIALS IF YOU BREAK

i don't know how many times i need to word it. NO +2 FOR YOU!

The whole point of this post is to show your work. Just like math class. Might as well scrap it though. No one can prove or disprove you can get +2. There is really no way to know for sure.

Like he already said, if it was +2 then that would push cursed gloves into the next tier, making them much easier to hq. Since this isn't the case, it's just +1. See?

Edit: Make that cursed finger gauntlets.

As I stated as well, It did. Went up about 3-5% after moglification. Test @ about 450 pairs.

Did no one even read my post? :x

If you take a synth that's level 76 for example, right now the assumed max is 106 (100 skill, +2 Equip, +1 from Moghancement/Moglification, and 3 from advanced support) which puts the player 29 above cap for the synth, which is within T1 HQ range (10-29 above cap), which is about 10% HQ rate. If moglification did give +2 instead of +1, that would put the player at 107, which is 30 above cap, pushing the HQ tier to Tier 2 (30-49 above cap) which is about 30% HQ rate. Or alternatively you could use a level 56 or 96 synth for pushing them into T3 and T1 HQ ranges, respectively.

It seems like it'd be relatively easy to test, there's quite a noticable differance between HQ rate tiers.

If anyone has woodworking 100+gear+moglification, the Lacquer Tree Sap synth seems like it's a very cheap and easy way to test this. 4k per synth and it's 96. I'd test it myself, but I'm only +2, I don't have either furnishing.

A simple +1 to skill will NOT boost your HQ average by a measly 3-5%. A 3-5% increase on a HQ tier (other than tier 0 where 3-5% would be *** amazing) although you may think is alot is very marginal and can be attributed simply to luck factor. In other words:

You just had a couple extra lucky synths, and that DOES happen.

I've sat down and gotten 4/6 on tier one and it completely boosted my HQ average until the laws of crafting once again set in and SE raped me for my good fortune.

What DOES NOT happen is +skill increasing a HQ tier's average. +skill WILL ONLY help your HQ average if you BREAK an HQ tier!

That is the only way to really test it, it's far beyond a marginal 3-5% which can be attributed simply to luck.

Test it with something level 96 with no subs that would otherwise make it a tier 0 synth... and if you end up shitting out tier 1's that everybody else is selling at tier 0 price then i guess you're one smart dude.

Otherwise you're totally HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE. I don't mean you're HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE for thinking it may be possible, I mean you are HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE for not listening to the voices of experience, reason and logic which are are telling you straight up.. it doesn't work like that.

Simple fact is you can witness the non-effect of this +2 you think is feasible... without even crafting a thing, simply by looking at RARITY of items that would be tier 0 synths unless 107 skill was possible.

i don't understand why you are arguing that it's +2 when an overwhelming amount of people say it isn't. and i really don't need proof in numbers because it's widely accepted.

but if you believe otherwise go edit wiki and see how fast it gets reverted.

Not saying you're wrong but that's a stupid statement. There have been plenty of things that were wrong even though they were widely accepted(Homam body triple attack rate, Sea gorgets, etc). More testing should always be welcome.

one question:
In my case it's bonecraft...
Drogaroga's fang = skill +1 ?
Boneworker's signboard = skill +1 and chance to loose less materials ?

so I would only have to get the Boneworker's signboard because both won't give +2, correct?
Or did I misunderstand something?

thx for any answers.

the fang will give you +1
the signboard will give you +1
But BOTH will only give +1 and moglification which is a chance to lose less materials on a break.

Need both items to get the moglification,

oh so only both items together will give the chance to loose less items, ok thx!

I'm not intending to dismiss what you have to say, so if it appears that way, I apologize. Your opinion is appreciated :)