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Stackable Debuff Spells
 Bahamut.Vagrua
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By Bahamut.Vagrua 2012-09-03 19:38:59  
Hello, I was curious as to which defense down debuffs stack with one another.

Defense Down:

Enervation: 10%
Frightful Roar: 10%
Benthic Typhoon: 10%
Seedspray: 8%
Corrosive Ooze: 5%
Tourbillion: 33%
Bilgestorm: 25%

Possibly: -100% defense down on mob?

Is there a cap to defense down or can it be furthered with Angon, Shell Crusher, etc.?
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By Carbuncle.Xenhas 2012-09-03 19:53:57  
None of those stack

You can have three defense down effects, which are different statuses.

Dia
Defense Down
Sluggish Daze
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By Bahamut.Vagrua 2012-09-03 20:05:05  
Carbuncle.Xenhas said: »
None of those stack

You can have three defense down effects, which are different statuses.

Dia
Defense Down
Sluggish Daze

So you're saying that no defense down effect stacks with one another let it be Weapon Skills, Job Ability, or Magic spells? Just to clarify.
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By Bismarck.Ihina 2012-09-03 20:13:24  
Basically, you can only put 1 "defense down" status on something at a time, even if it's at a different potency.

Acid bolts, angon, those blu spells, all give 'defense down".

Dia, dia II, diaga and dia III give 'dia' effect. They don't stack with each other, but they stack with defense down.

And so forth, for steps.
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By Bahamut.Vagrua 2012-09-03 20:18:40  
Understood. Thanks for the replies you two.
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By Ophannus 2012-09-04 12:09:21  
The highest Defense Down reduction attainable by players; unless I'm wrong, is 66%.

Tourbillion: 33%
Dia III with Light Shot: 20%
Sluggish Daze Lv.5: 13%


I wish Aegis Schism was our unbridled learning spell instead of tourbillion, schism rocks(90% defense down)


Addendum: Estoquerer's Sayon +2 enhances Enfeebling Magic by 10% but I don't know how ***truncates for Dia III because it would seem to be a +1.5% defense down(10% of 15), not sure if that 0.5% is considered or if it's floored to +1%. That would be a 67%-67.5% defense down total if the RDM AF3 body is added.
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2012-09-04 13:17:14  
Dia's defense down is a fraction of 128 if I remember right.
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By Xilk 2012-09-04 13:40:47  
Will the def down actually add up like that? or will be multiply w/ each other?

ie: 33% reduction means you have 67% of original def

multiply that 67% by 80% for the 20% reduction
then multiply by 87% for the 13% reduction for a total of about 64% actual reduction.

alot of stuff in the game stacks this way, so i ask if anyone knows.
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By Ophannus 2012-09-04 20:54:52  
Also forgot an errant +5% from Windshot on Angon, if that even affects it, and if it even stacks with Lightshot on Dia(not sure if only one debuff can be enhanced by quickdraw at a time)
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By Lakshmi.Byrth 2012-09-04 21:00:31  
You sum percentage defense penalties and bonuses before you multiply.
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By Ragnarok.Sekundes 2012-09-04 21:23:52  
There has been Dev talk of angon's def down being modified to stack with other ones but that's not been done yet. I'm not sure if they reconsidered or are just being slow.
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By Ophannus 2012-09-04 21:35:18  
tbh I'd rather they make Gungnir's defense down a unique def down effect and stackable since it would actually make it a more useful relic. Scythe got a strong aftermath and a utility WS, GS got a nice trait and nice aftermath, Gaxe got a decent effect on the weapon and a utility aftermath. Gungnir has a decent but weak effect but lol ws and lol aftermath.

They should make Apoc's Blind, Amano's Attack Down, Gungnir's Defense Down and Bravura's Evasion Down all unique. Hell they should make all the relic debuffs unique and stackable(except Paralyze) just rename them.

Seized i.e seizure(Paralyze)
Venom (Poison)
Hazed (Blind)
Stifled (Choke)
Rended Defense
Rended Attack
Rended Evasion
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By Ragnarok.Sekundes 2012-09-04 23:48:32  
Hell, why not just do both. Drg needs moar boosting anyhow. They should also make the spikes hardcore stun that works on just about anything. It wouldn't be broken cause you'd have to use the worst ws ever to get them.
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By Soraishin 2013-07-24 01:08:03  
Def. Down and Sluggish Daze stack with each other.
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By DirectX 2017-09-08 13:58:19  
Does Dia II and Shellcrusher stack?
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By Siren.Kyte 2017-09-08 14:45:50  
I'm not sure why you would necrobump a 1 page thread that already has the answer to your question in it.
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