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 Ragnarok.Eluveitie
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By Ragnarok.Eluveitie 2012-05-24 00:38:42  
Odin.Tsuneo said: »
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I stand corrected they make one crappy mobile phone and the pitiful droid OS for smartphones along with those annoying as hell bluetooth things that make me think everyone is an escaped mental patient talking to themselves. Copyright/patent law at best is subjectively enforced in this country, basically only enforced if it benefits the governments interests. I can see in this case if Microsoft's taxable revenue outshines Motorola's taxable revenue/military contributions then they will win, if vice versa it will rule in motorolas favor.

EDIT: Either way the judge's gaval falls it's the UNITED STATES....
we'll see a verdict in the next 4-6 years at which time 360 won't even be an issue anymore.
Motorola didn't make the android OS; furthermore, I fail to see how it's pitiful.
Trust me it sucks no matter who made it. I dropped my droid phone.
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By Fenrir.Schutz 2012-05-24 00:58:56  
Assuming there is a ruling against MS, I am sure the resolution will just be a settlement cash figure or percentage take. MS will likely just pursue whatever course is necessary--and bite the bullet and give Motorola a slice of the take of sales to ensure continued growth/presence in this market segment--if it cannot win the ruling outright.

Which is really what Motorola wants ultimately, anyhow, I would think given they do not have a product line whose market positioning would directly benefit from the removal of XBOX units from the console market.
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By Artemicion 2012-05-24 01:21:19  
This is old, as Nintendo is also piled on with numerous alleged patent infringements for their wireless and motion control technology. It's really a constant cycle of who made what, who is using what, and who has proper ownership to intellectual property, which the concept in of itself is so vague that having it documented in legal terms is downright silly.

Here's an example for the mobile device industry. I'm sure the video game industry has just a complex and lengthy of a web.



Besides, 99% of the time lawsuits like these are stretched out bitterly to resume business as usual, and if push comes to shove from a judge, Microsoft will settle a big figure for Motorolla and the Xbox 360 will continue on as usual.
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By Fenrir.Schutz 2012-05-24 01:23:56  
That's what I just said, but without a graphic. ;_;

/cry Artemcion
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By Artemicion 2012-05-24 01:26:42  
Also for Motorolla coming this late into the game, just shows they're out mooching for money. If it truly was a matter of principle over infringed patent technology, this would have been an issue many many years ago. Just a quick buck to be made before the next big thing comes out, because by then it'd be far too late.
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By Fairy.Ghaleon 2012-05-24 02:28:53  
Ragnarok.Eluveitie said: »
I stand corrected they make one crappy mobile phone and the pitiful droid OS for smartphones along with those annoying as hell bluetooth things that make me think everyone is an escaped mental patient talking to themselves. Copyright/patent law at best is subjectively enforced in this country, basically only enforced if it benefits the governments interests. I can see in this case if Microsoft's taxable revenue outshines Motorola's taxable revenue/military contributions then they will win, if vice versa it will rule in motorolas favor.

EDIT: Either way the judge's gaval falls it's the UNITED STATES....
we'll see a verdict in the next 4-6 years at which time 360 won't even be an issue anymore.

woosh.jpg?

you've totally failed to realize what everyone has told you about motorola making "products" that do not always hit the end user.

in this case, patents. (for technology the company invented and is being used in other devices)

companies sue each other for patent infringing all the time, this is nothing special or new.

also; when did august = 4-6years?


edit- i should really learn to hit that refresh button :<
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By Ragnarok.Eluveitie 2012-05-24 02:49:23  
Its the U.S. legal system >.>
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By Fairy.Ghaleon 2012-05-24 02:53:42  
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Its the U.S. legal system >.>


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By Lakshmi.Jesi 2012-05-24 03:27:34  
Artemicion said: »
This is old, as Nintendo is also piled on with numerous alleged patent infringements for their wireless and motion control technology. It's really a constant cycle of who made what, who is using what, and who has proper ownership to intellectual property, which the concept in of itself is so vague that having it documented in legal terms is downright silly.

Here's an example for the mobile device industry. I'm sure the video game industry has just a complex and lengthy of a web.



Besides, 99% of the time lawsuits like these are stretched out bitterly to resume business as usual, and if push comes to shove from a judge, Microsoft will settle a big figure for Motorolla and the Xbox 360 will continue on as usual.

That is a great picture showing how stupid it really is.

This is what happens when you have 2,000 patents a day being filed and companies filing every single little thing. Plus they last so long that they compile a huge list.

Amazon even patented the ability to have a one button checkout!

That's how stupid it is.
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By Jetackuu 2012-05-24 07:27:39  
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I don't know much about this but their argument is that it would be unfair to consumers? xD lmao

The only thing that matters is does the xbox360 illegally use patented material of motorolas? if so then it needs to be remedied.
i know it is very late in the game but if xboxs wants to still sell the xboxs 360 why not write there own programs and then replace them with what ever is in question and if they can push it in a update if not recall all the xboxs and give the user a new one free of charge.

i know this most likely wont happen and really if it has to go to the top it most likely will be the xboxs that wins. again ign is right people do not know how the sales of video games work if this happen there will be no halo 4. for the people in the us.

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i just thought of this they can if this turns out to be true just pay money to motorola technology,to just save time.

it's hardware more than software, and h.264 should be public now. the other infringements I can't recall.

Ragnarok.Eluveitie said: »
I stand corrected they make one crappy mobile phone and the pitiful droid OS for smartphones along with those annoying as hell bluetooth things that make me think everyone is an escaped mental patient talking to themselves. Copyright/patent law at best is subjectively enforced in this country, basically only enforced if it benefits the governments interests. I can see in this case if Microsoft's taxable revenue outshines Motorola's taxable revenue/military contributions then they will win, if vice versa it will rule in motorolas favor.

EDIT: Either way the judge's gaval falls it's the UNITED STATES....
we'll see a verdict in the next 4-6 years at which time 360 won't even be an issue anymore.

while motorola has always made ***phones, the android OS is by far superior than any other mobile OS...

a lot of companies have bluetooth headseats, not just motorola, unfortunately they're about the best, as far as phones go, samsung is about the only person who makes better phones, it's kind of sad, none are meant to last, and very few have qwerty keyboards still, I detest touchscreen keyboards.

in regards to Microsoft's contribution over Motorola in technology: Microsoft would lose, as far as taxable, Microsoft would win.

Motorola makes far too many products that's used in so many devices it's interesting, it's sad that their phones aren't made as well.
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By Jetackuu 2012-05-24 07:29:27  
Ragnarok.Eluveitie said: »
Odin.Tsuneo said: »
Ragnarok.Eluveitie said: »
I stand corrected they make one crappy mobile phone and the pitiful droid OS for smartphones along with those annoying as hell bluetooth things that make me think everyone is an escaped mental patient talking to themselves. Copyright/patent law at best is subjectively enforced in this country, basically only enforced if it benefits the governments interests. I can see in this case if Microsoft's taxable revenue outshines Motorola's taxable revenue/military contributions then they will win, if vice versa it will rule in motorolas favor.

EDIT: Either way the judge's gaval falls it's the UNITED STATES....
we'll see a verdict in the next 4-6 years at which time 360 won't even be an issue anymore.
Motorola didn't make the android OS; furthermore, I fail to see how it's pitiful.
Trust me it sucks no matter who made it. I dropped my droid phone.

lol, Androis OS is made by Google, and is derived from Linux, and ffs Android =/= droid.
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By Jetackuu 2012-05-24 07:32:18  
Ragnarok.Eluveitie said: »
Its the U.S. legal system >.>

not really, it's the international copyright laws, multiple legal systems.

copyright has far extended it's original purpose, laws totally need a revamp back to their intent, which wasn't to protect their pockets/investments.
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By Jetackuu 2012-05-24 07:37:06  
Lakshmi.Jesi said: »

That is a great picture showing how stupid it really is.

This is what happens when you have 2,000 patents a day being filed and companies filing every single little thing. Plus they last so long that they compile a huge list.

Amazon even patented the ability to have a one button checkout!

That's how stupid it is.

while I agree that it's gone too far, but currently they kind of have to patent things like that, before somebody else does, and then they can't use it.

Then again: it would be in everyone's best interest if EVERY SITE had such a thing, see what I mean about public domain?
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By daemun 2012-05-24 08:05:05  
I hope it happens solely that all of my friends will stop bragging about their inferior consoles.
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By daemun 2012-05-24 08:07:08  
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What this proves, is that Kodak and Nokia are the only two companies with unique ideas. They, however, have been unable to properly market said ideas in the past few years and are relying on lawsuits of all the companies that actually made money with said ideas in order to stay afloat.
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By Jetackuu 2012-05-24 08:19:38  
Nokia used to be amazing phones, but they had bad management, much unlike apple who has mediocre phones but had amazing management.

the other thing is a lot of really smart people work on such things, it's likely that different teams came to the same idea in new technology, and they both tried to market it, it's really a matter of who first files the paperwork, which ultimately screws the end user over the most, due to lack of options.

Like I currently have a Pantech crossover, which has a qwerty (which I love) but the phone overall is kinda meh, the thing won't let me view phone contacts from the phone itself in the phonebook, yet when I add new ones it puts them on the phone's memory, I have to add them, then copy them to my sim or sd card to view them...

it locks up randomly (the touchscreen) and there's lack up software upgrades for it, and I can't even download firefox to it (yeah I could probably recompile an old version for it, but I can't code for ***).

Last Samsung phone I had (which are supposed to be great) was a piece of garbage, phone wise they don't make anything to really last, and one can't just build their own due to patents, well unless you want it to be super clunky, or have access to the machines. (can't solder that ***by hand).
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By Bismarck.Flavin 2012-05-24 08:24:49  
I'm betting this all has to do with the patent wars google v microsoft edition... I can't be sure but I know google bought a big chunk of motorola recently and all these tech companies like to sue each other over this stuff constantly...
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By Jetackuu 2012-05-24 08:26:12  
Bismarck.Flavin said: »
I'm betting this all has to do with the patent wars google v microsoft edition... I can't be sure but I know google bought a big chunk of motorola recently and all these tech companies like to sue each other over this stuff constantly...

to be fair: if it came down between Google and Microsoft, I'd rather have Google win.

that being said, Google should release a game console, they'd corner the market /laughs
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By daemun 2012-05-24 08:49:35  
Jetackuu said: »
Last Samsung phone I had (which are supposed to be great) was a piece of garbage, phone wise they don't make anything to really last, and one can't just build their own due to patents, well unless you want it to be super clunky, or have access to the machines. (can't solder that ***by hand).
This is very surprising, because all of their other electronics departments are so strong.
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By daemun 2012-05-24 08:50:23  
Jetackuu said: »
Bismarck.Flavin said: »
I'm betting this all has to do with the patent wars google v microsoft edition... I can't be sure but I know google bought a big chunk of motorola recently and all these tech companies like to sue each other over this stuff constantly...

to be fair: if it came down between Google and Microsoft, I'd rather have Google win.

that being said, Google should release a game console, they'd corner the market /laughs
They'd just force consoles out of business and push for cloud gaming.
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By Jetackuu 2012-05-24 08:53:39  
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Jetackuu said: »
Bismarck.Flavin said: »
I'm betting this all has to do with the patent wars google v microsoft edition... I can't be sure but I know google bought a big chunk of motorola recently and all these tech companies like to sue each other over this stuff constantly...

to be fair: if it came down between Google and Microsoft, I'd rather have Google win.

that being said, Google should release a game console, they'd corner the market /laughs
They'd just force consoles out of business and push for cloud gaming.

wouldn't say the consoles would be out, but the latter would be about true, which is happening anyway, to many people's dismay.

it would be much less disappointing if the US didn't have such internet services.

I am severely disappointing in the great push to cloud computing anyway, I think it's ridiculous that they're trying to go back to dummy terminals, to be fair though most people don't need a powerful machine, but it will suck for those who do, as the prices will skyrocket.
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By Ragnarok.Yathatguy 2012-05-24 09:53:58  
Shadowe Elrik said: »
Artemicion said: »
What this proves, is that Kodak and Nokia are the only two companies with unique ideas. They, however, have been unable to properly market said ideas in the past few years and are relying on lawsuits of all the companies that actually made money with said ideas in order to stay afloat.

Recently did a term paper on Kodak and can say with full confidence that they do NOT produce unique ideas and the only thing keeping them afloat is their printer/copier lines. I agree though their management is atrocious and they failed to capitalize a decade ago losing their hold on the mobile market faster than Ron Jeremy finishes.
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By daemun 2012-05-24 10:13:24  
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Recently did a term paper on Kodak and can say with full confidence that they do NOT produce unique ideas and the only thing keeping them afloat is their printer/copier lines. I agree though their management is atrocious and they failed to capitalize a decade ago losing their hold on the mobile market faster than Ron Jeremy finishes.
I read about their inability to move on to the next generation of technology as well. They are, however suing over lens capture technology.

I was mostly referring ot Nokia. They have a small group of genius' dropping out phone ideas. Problem is, ever since we moved to smart phones, they haven't been able to squeeze them all in a good phone themselves; nor pick a better OS to operate. They have to get out of this windows craze and either run Android, or pair with Apple. I would love to see Nokia hardware and features on an OS as stable as iOS.
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By Jetackuu 2012-05-24 10:13:55  
Kodak had a hold on the mobile market? news to me.
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By Jetackuu 2012-05-24 10:15:54  
Shadowe Elrik said: »
Ragnarok.Yathatguy said: »
Recently did a term paper on Kodak and can say with full confidence that they do NOT produce unique ideas and the only thing keeping them afloat is their printer/copier lines. I agree though their management is atrocious and they failed to capitalize a decade ago losing their hold on the mobile market faster than Ron Jeremy finishes.
I read about their inability to move on to the next generation of technology as well. They are, however suing over lens capture technology.

I was mostly referring ot Nokia. They have a small group of genius' dropping out phone ideas. Problem is, ever since we moved to smart phones, they haven't been able to squeeze them all in a good phone themselves; nor pick a better OS to operate. They have to get out of this windows craze and either run Android, or pair with Apple. I would love to see Nokia hardware and features on an OS as stable as iOS.

they could essentially run their own version of the Android OS, but to be fair it would be better for everyone if they switched to the general release of Android, and just made their drivers well.

While I'll applaud them for finally dropping their garbage OS, but an OS anyone can write programs for just gives so much more to everyone.
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