Ninja's Back Me Up
Ninja's back me up
Basically had a guy tell me, I need should use a goading belt > twilight on my nin. I asked why and he said for stp/enmity. So i asked him if he thought missing haste cap losing 2% haste/DA was worth minimal stp and enmity. He said anything over the actual in game value is a waste which i agree but its impossible to hit the actual in game value w/o going over. he's sitting at 23% haste while im at cap. Back me up on this if you think its crazy to use goading for anything less then a night time/tank set unless yiou have dusk+1.
A nin without capped haste is dead to me.
Don't use goading lol
Don't use goading lol
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The double attack would win out over the enmity + stp either way, so even if going over cap use twilight over goading. If looking to swap something out then I think feet are the best bet (usu feet, more stp and enmity then goading while still maintaining 26% haste which is what you actually need to cap) with af2 feet macroed in for utsu. Again though, remind him that double attack > stp/enmity.
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Also sTP does very little for dual wielding jobs if I am not mistaken. STP really counts on 2H jobs, RNG, and COR.
Tell that guy to get lost, lol. Capped haste + DA = increased ws frequency = mob dies faster.
I guess you can macro in goading for voke or something.
I guess you can macro in goading for voke or something.
Sylph.Annex said: »
Also sTP does very little for dual wielding jobs if I am not mistaken. STP really counts on 2H jobs, RNG, and COR.
Wrong, although this is a common idea.
Store tp is a direct percentage increase to tp per hit, allowing for a decrease in the number of hits required to hit 100tp.
Yes, usually this is applied to 2h weapons, but can be equally applied to single handers also. For certain, going from say a 14 hit to a 12 hit doesn't sound as impressive as going from a 7 hit to a 6 hit, but it has the same effect on tp speed.
Edit: Back on topic, the guy is still a retard, tell him to quit and fail at rl where he cant bother you.
Sylph.Annex said: »
Also sTP does very little for dual wielding jobs if I am not mistaken. STP really counts on 2H jobs, RNG, and COR.
Not sure why this is such a common misconception. If anything you should argue that it's better for Jobs with powerful WS, but not necessarily 2H.
It takes a large amount of STP to make a notable difference on ANY job. However, dual wielders can make a small improvement using a small amount of STP while 2handers cannot. That is the only difference.
Tell that guy do a full stp set with no haste, he'll win the game.
Bismarck.Altar said: »
Sylph.Annex said: »
Also sTP does very little for dual wielding jobs if I am not mistaken. STP really counts on 2H jobs, RNG, and COR.
Not sure why this is such a common misconception. If anything you should argue that it's better for Jobs with powerful WS, but not necessarily 2H.
Fenrir.Enternius said: »
Bismarck.Altar said: »
Sylph.Annex said: »
Also sTP does very little for dual wielding jobs if I am not mistaken. STP really counts on 2H jobs, RNG, and COR.
Not sure why this is such a common misconception. If anything you should argue that it's better for Jobs with powerful WS, but not necessarily 2H.
Well, thats what I was implying when I said jobs with a powerful ws. A more powerful ws is likely going to have a higher ws:tp split, in which case stp becomes more important.
Who needs haste?! Obviously this is the best set for NIN:
6 hit Ihintanto build >.>
6 hit Ihintanto build >.>
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6-hit Numbing/Slug shot build.
Just on a side note SE really needs to give NIN more guns, Coffinmaker is still the best.
When Koga tekko becomes 4% haste you can demote your belt
but don't.
28% haste like a rockstar.
but don't.
28% haste like a rockstar.
it really depends on what your other gear slot have. you can hit 26% in gear is your using af3+2 head/legs/feet + goading and dusk +1.
It's not a matter of if you *can* use goading. The 2% DA will always beat STP/Enmity for NIN. So trying to get a set up where you'll be able to use it is pointless. If you need enmity in your TP set then you have other issues you need to address.
Or:
1. AF3 +2 head, feet, legs, twilight belt and ocelot gloves
2. AF3 +2 head, feet, byakkos haidate, twilight belt and dusk gloves +1
3. AF3 +2 head, legs, twilight belt, usukane feet and dusk gloves +1
I think I'd use one of those combinations and not drop twilight belt. I use the 3rd option myself.
1. AF3 +2 head, feet, legs, twilight belt and ocelot gloves
2. AF3 +2 head, feet, byakkos haidate, twilight belt and dusk gloves +1
3. AF3 +2 head, legs, twilight belt, usukane feet and dusk gloves +1
I think I'd use one of those combinations and not drop twilight belt. I use the 3rd option myself.
well there are lots of factors to take into account.
like right now im using goading over twilight because i get 10tp an attack round with it, without im sitting at 9tp which means its an extra attack round to get to 100tp.
once i get usu feet (missing 15) i'll switch over to option 3 above which i believe is the optimal set as far as nin TP goes.
like right now im using goading over twilight because i get 10tp an attack round with it, without im sitting at 9tp which means its an extra attack round to get to 100tp.
once i get usu feet (missing 15) i'll switch over to option 3 above which i believe is the optimal set as far as nin TP goes.
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Valefor.Caelir said: »
well there are lots of factors to take into account.
like right now im using goading over twilight because i get 10tp an attack round with it, without im sitting at 9tp which means its an extra attack round to get to 100tp.
once i get usu feet (missing 15) i'll switch over to option 3 above which i believe is the optimal set as far as nin TP goes.
like right now im using goading over twilight because i get 10tp an attack round with it, without im sitting at 9tp which means its an extra attack round to get to 100tp.
once i get usu feet (missing 15) i'll switch over to option 3 above which i believe is the optimal set as far as nin TP goes.
Valefor.Caelir said: »
i have capped haste........
Not a ninja, but with his gear setup and starting from zero tp, the 5stp from Goading takes him from needing 23 hits total down to 22.
Edit: Blade Hi seems to be a 1 hit ws, so including tp from ws it goes from 21 hits down to 20 with 5stp on goading
Edit: Blade Hi seems to be a 1 hit ws, so including tp from ws it goes from 21 hits down to 20 with 5stp on goading
Asura.Kaisuko said: »
It's not a matter of if you *can* use goading. The 2% DA will always beat STP/Enmity for NIN. So trying to get a set up where you'll be able to use it is pointless. If you need enmity in your TP set then you have other issues you need to address.
People are really overvaluing DA, and ignoring diminishing returns. Dropping a hit and 2DA are almost equal in gains, higher if DA% is particularly high, and higher again the further your xhit drops.
That said, Usu Feet/Twilight belt is the correct answer.
Bismarck.Altar said: »
Blade Hi seems to be a 1 hit ws, so including tp from ws it goes from 21 hits down to 20 with 5stp on goading
Then there's the offhand hit, and DA/TA procs, the lower your Xhit goes, the greater the increase from dropping a further hit.
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Valefor.Prothescar said: »
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Apostrophe.
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Ifrit.Darkanaseur said: »
Asura.Kaisuko said: »
It's not a matter of if you *can* use goading. The 2% DA will always beat STP/Enmity for NIN. So trying to get a set up where you'll be able to use it is pointless. If you need enmity in your TP set then you have other issues you need to address.
People are really overvaluing DA, and ignoring diminishing returns. Dropping a hit and 2DA are almost equal in gains, higher if DA% is particularly high, and higher again the further your xhit drops.
That said, Usu Feet/Twilight belt is the correct answer.
Bismarck.Altar said: »
Blade Hi seems to be a 1 hit ws, so including tp from ws it goes from 21 hits down to 20 with 5stp on goading
Then there's the offhand hit, and DA/TA procs, the lower your Xhit goes, the greater the increase from dropping a further hit.
And you're still ignoring the fact that most of Nin's damage is coming from TP, which is what you want to be strengthening.
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