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Heavy Strike sets
Ragnarok.Agerknux
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By Ragnarok.Agerknux 2011-09-27 02:11:37
I haven't been able to play around with blu's heavy strike lately, but I'm trying to build a set around it. The thing is I don't know how inaccurate it is and how much I should balance str vs acc.
This is my current set, or rather a set that kind of has a balance of both.
Head: AF+2 Head? Got the acc or leave it for CA?
Body: AF+1 Body or Loki's? Obviously Toci would be a good replacement, but that's something that isn't exactly readily available.
Hands: Heafoc would've been here if it wasn't for the -acc
Neck: Ziel is probably something I'd look into
Back: Aife looks solid, but don't know where to get now, cuch for balance or stick with Potentia/Vigilance +1
Feet: Chose denali because of str/acc
Ears: ???????
By Starkzz 2011-09-27 02:24:25
tbh, I think your trading out too much STR for acc, then again, I haven't been to VW on blu yet, and have only tested Hstrike on IT worms in gustav
Use two flame pearls for ears (+1 if you truly wish)
Rings I'd say use rajas/pyro if acc isn't necessary in these slots
use AF1 body+1 or Alcide harness/+1
rest is good cept as you said, maybe z charm.
If you aren't capped on sword/magic tho, don't test further till so
Fenrir.Gradd
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By Fenrir.Gradd 2011-09-27 02:44:29
I remember reading somewhere that the spell has about -70 ACC on it.
Bismarck.Helel
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By Bismarck.Helel 2011-09-27 03:19:20
Definitely not trading out too much str for acc unfortunately. It's hard to say what the "best set" is because the sets are going to vary so much according to the mob. I'd say your set above would be ideal for EM-T mobs with sushi. If you're fighting <=EP then you can pretty much go full STR as long as you eat sushi.
Edit: also I believe magus jubbah +1 is better than loki's, however the difference is small and loki's does provide slightly more acc. Up to you.
Ragnarok.Agerknux
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By Ragnarok.Agerknux 2011-09-27 03:30:47
Yeah, all good on skill and whatnot. But with the current set I am using, I was fighting Bluffalo and missing a little more than I'd like. This is without sushi though.
Quetzalcoatl.Neisan
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By Quetzalcoatl.Neisan 2011-09-27 06:57:24
From what I understand since the spell auto crits the +attack from skill on Jubbah is worth less for Heavy than other spells, but otherwise you're right on best body. I'll probaly end up sticking to Loki's for now for anything moderately difficult since missing the spell is just depressing.
By Starkzz 2011-09-27 07:28:34
Definitely not trading out too much str for acc unfortunately. It's hard to say what the "best set" is because the sets are going to vary so much according to the mob. I'd say your set above would be ideal for EM-T mobs with sushi. If you're fighting <=EP then you can pretty much go full STR as long as you eat sushi. Edit: also I believe magus jubbah +1 is better than loki's, however the difference is small and loki's does provide slightly more acc. Up to you.
idk... with the meh set I posted in my item sets, it was really easy to land on IT consistanltly, tho I don't disagree with you alot of acc may be needed on srs business things
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2011-09-27 09:44:34
Definitely not trading out too much str for acc unfortunately. It's hard to say what the "best set" is because the sets are going to vary so much according to the mob. I'd say your set above would be ideal for EM-T mobs with sushi. If you're fighting <=EP then you can pretty much go full STR as long as you eat sushi. Edit: also I believe magus jubbah +1 is better than loki's, however the difference is small and loki's does provide slightly more acc. Up to you.
idk... with the meh set I posted in my item sets, it was really easy to land on IT consistanltly, tho I don't disagree with you alot of acc may be needed on srs business things What are you eating and fighting?
Quetzalcoatl.Rokusho
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By Quetzalcoatl.Rokusho 2011-09-27 09:48:01
alcide body +1 is better than loki and af1.. it has str acc and crit dmg
By Starkzz 2011-09-27 12:45:37
Definitely not trading out too much str for acc unfortunately. It's hard to say what the "best set" is because the sets are going to vary so much according to the mob. I'd say your set above would be ideal for EM-T mobs with sushi. If you're fighting <=EP then you can pretty much go full STR as long as you eat sushi. Edit: also I believe magus jubbah +1 is better than loki's, however the difference is small and loki's does provide slightly more acc. Up to you. idk... with the meh set I posted in my item sets, it was really easy to land on IT consistanltly, tho I don't disagree with you alot of acc may be needed on srs business things What are you eating and fighting?
ate nothin' and uncapped swordskill tho I did cap blu magic. Mob was worm in gustav IT to 95, granted it's not very notable test subject, it's still high level atleast, w/ sushi and a better heavystrike set I personally think spell could be worth considering maybe.. but as I've said, not done VW on blu as of yet
Cerberus.Kvazz
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By Cerberus.Kvazz 2011-09-27 12:49:49
I havent tried VW on BLU, but I've done flux 11 in WoE a bit, and with perma-blind, I started eating sushi, and I landed heavy strike with I'd say 70-80% accuracy, and on the boss, I'm gonna say aprox 60% without blind on.
It was just crab sushi, so with sole sushi, and a proper gearset (just using my normal str set, with random acc pieces like ziel charm, homam feet, alcide mitts+1) I'd say it's a rather solid spell.
Managed to pull off a 2.4k on NQ mobs in there, with CA and Efflux (epeen fun), also managed to do 1.2k with just CA on the boss, which was siginficantly better than other spells.. CA Efflux Benthic did 0, etc
Ragnarok.Sekundes
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By Ragnarok.Sekundes 2011-09-27 13:09:50
I was skilling up blu magic on the new IT puks in boyhada and literally missed every single one(roughly 20 casts) until I used a sushi and then only missed about 20%-30%. Granted I was just using my quad set but still... It's a nice cheap spell when it hits but the accuracy penalty is large and makes a very noticeable impact. I don't see my self switching to sushi over rcb for chant.
By Starkzz 2011-09-27 13:18:25
Ragnarok.Sekundes said: »I was skilling up blu magic on the new IT puks in boyhada and literally missed every single one(roughly 20 casts) until I used a sushi and then only missed about 20%-30%. Granted I was just using my quad set but still... It's a nice cheap spell when it hits but the accuracy penalty is large and makes a very noticeable impact. I don't see my self switching to sushi over rcb for chant.
Not for lowball stuff, no
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2011-09-27 13:22:04
Definitely not trading out too much str for acc unfortunately. It's hard to say what the "best set" is because the sets are going to vary so much according to the mob. I'd say your set above would be ideal for EM-T mobs with sushi. If you're fighting <=EP then you can pretty much go full STR as long as you eat sushi. Edit: also I believe magus jubbah +1 is better than loki's, however the difference is small and loki's does provide slightly more acc. Up to you. idk... with the meh set I posted in my item sets, it was really easy to land on IT consistanltly, tho I don't disagree with you alot of acc may be needed on srs business things What are you eating and fighting?
ate nothin' and uncapped swordskill tho I did cap blu magic. Mob was worm in gustav IT to 95, granted it's not very notable test subject, it's still high level atleast, w/ sushi and a better heavystrike set I personally think spell could be worth considering maybe.. but as I've said, not done VW on blu as of yet Capping vs a low eva 90 cap fodder mob isn't surprising. 35 skill + 20 acc via reduced level correction + gains in DEX put you about 50 acc over a 90 BLU and our acc is pretty good to begin with, certainly well over what was needed to cap on said mobs at 90.
The problem with using sushi is that it has a negative impact on the rest of your damage; with all the temps you can get in Voidwatch + regain/Save TP atmacites melee damage is quite potent and you don't need sushi or even pizza to cap your hitrate, on Jeuno T3s at least. Haven't done Zilart T3 yet.
Leviathan.Draylo
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By Leviathan.Draylo 2011-09-27 13:22:21
Definitely not trading out too much str for acc unfortunately. It's hard to say what the "best set" is because the sets are going to vary so much according to the mob. I'd say your set above would be ideal for EM-T mobs with sushi. If you're fighting <=EP then you can pretty much go full STR as long as you eat sushi. Edit: also I believe magus jubbah +1 is better than loki's, however the difference is small and loki's does provide slightly more acc. Up to you. idk... with the meh set I posted in my item sets, it was really easy to land on IT consistanltly, tho I don't disagree with you alot of acc may be needed on srs business things What are you eating and fighting?
ate nothin' and uncapped swordskill tho I did cap blu magic. Mob was worm in gustav IT to 95, granted it's not very notable test subject, it's still high level atleast, w/ sushi and a better heavystrike set I personally think spell could be worth considering maybe.. but as I've said, not done VW on blu as of yet
Sounds like you're full of ***tbh.
Leviathan.Draylo
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By Leviathan.Draylo 2011-09-27 13:24:54
Definitely not trading out too much str for acc unfortunately. It's hard to say what the "best set" is because the sets are going to vary so much according to the mob. I'd say your set above would be ideal for EM-T mobs with sushi. If you're fighting <=EP then you can pretty much go full STR as long as you eat sushi. Edit: also I believe magus jubbah +1 is better than loki's, however the difference is small and loki's does provide slightly more acc. Up to you. idk... with the meh set I posted in my item sets, it was really easy to land on IT consistanltly, tho I don't disagree with you alot of acc may be needed on srs business things What are you eating and fighting?
ate nothin' and uncapped swordskill tho I did cap blu magic. Mob was worm in gustav IT to 95, granted it's not very notable test subject, it's still high level atleast, w/ sushi and a better heavystrike set I personally think spell could be worth considering maybe.. but as I've said, not done VW on blu as of yet Capping vs a low eva 90 cap fodder mob isn't surprising. 35 skill + 20 acc via reduced level correction + gains in DEX put you about 50 acc over a 90 BLU and our acc is pretty good to begin with, certainly well over what was needed to cap on said mobs at 90.
The problem with using sushi is that it has a negative impact on the rest of your damage; with all the temps you can get in Voidwatch + regain/Save TP atmacites melee damage is quite potent and you don't need sushi or even pizza to cap your hitrate, on Jeuno T3s at least. Haven't done Zilart T3 yet.
Those are new mobs, pretty sure they are for lvl 95 cap. I don't play BLU much in Voidwatch anymore since I am needed to tank for my crew. Do you really get to melee a lot full time? Most groups I've seen just have people come in for procs or dmg here and there (mostly while staggered). You are really on the NM from start to finish DDing?
By Starkzz 2011-09-27 13:32:30
Definitely not trading out too much str for acc unfortunately. It's hard to say what the "best set" is because the sets are going to vary so much according to the mob. I'd say your set above would be ideal for EM-T mobs with sushi. If you're fighting <=EP then you can pretty much go full STR as long as you eat sushi. Edit: also I believe magus jubbah +1 is better than loki's, however the difference is small and loki's does provide slightly more acc. Up to you. idk... with the meh set I posted in my item sets, it was really easy to land on IT consistanltly, tho I don't disagree with you alot of acc may be needed on srs business things What are you eating and fighting? ate nothin' and uncapped swordskill tho I did cap blu magic. Mob was worm in gustav IT to 95, granted it's not very notable test subject, it's still high level atleast, w/ sushi and a better heavystrike set I personally think spell could be worth considering maybe.. but as I've said, not done VW on blu as of yet Sounds like you're full of ***tbh.
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Leviathan.Draylo
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By Leviathan.Draylo 2011-09-27 13:33:28
How are you landing this spell consistently vs new IT targets when I have trouble landing it on non evasive EP mobs?
By Starkzz 2011-09-27 13:35:52
try harder? if your serious, how pitiful, acc may be bad on it but that's pathetic. Just sayin'
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2011-09-27 13:36:55
My bad, I thought he said Grauberg and assumed he was talking about Abyssea. Dunno about new ***but I'd say it's implausble.
Quote: Do you really get to melee a lot full time? Most groups I've seen just have people come in for procs or dmg here and there (mostly while staggered). You are really on the NM from start to finish DDing? I pop temps and swing for the following 60 seconds (duration of Fanatic's) every time we get a stagger. If we're lucky and manage to chain procs together, that could easily account for 50%+ of its HP nonstop (obviously not all my doing) plus any preceding/succeeding staggers if I don't have to stop to manage my own spells. Pil is kind of a *** in this respect so it's a little different for him but at at least two WS (regain'd TP + Dusty Wing) per proc is pretty reasonable even on him, other NMs I get the full 60 seconds and 3-4 WS. It's not fulltime, but it's pretty close and I'm not comfortable running in for spells given the various nasty AoEs most of the NMs have.
Leviathan.Draylo
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By Leviathan.Draylo 2011-09-27 13:41:51
Ah cool, I wish I could play my BLU more often in there lol try harder? if your serious, how pitiful, acc may be bad on it but that's pathetic. Just sayin'
Or you are full of ***and eyeballing all the ones that land. I guess its easy to say "it wurks relly gud guise, relly" when you only count all the hits and not the 90000 misses.
Ragnarok.Ahtis
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By Ragnarok.Ahtis 2011-09-27 13:44:13
Starkkz that's not pathetic, it's the spell accuracy that's patethic. You should parse some data, because eyeballing it it's not much of a proof. The spell accuracy it's patethic did I mention it already?
By Starkzz 2011-09-27 13:44:52
Ah cool, I wish I could play my BLU more often in there lol try harder? if your serious, how pitiful, acc may be bad on it but that's pathetic. Just sayin' Or you are full of ***and eyeballing all the ones that land. I guess its easy to say "it wurks relly gud guise, relly" when you only count all the hits and not the 90000 misses.
Assume what you will, I really couldn't give a damn mate.
My bad, I thought he said Grauberg and assumed he was talking about Abyssea. Dunno about new ***but I'd say it's implausble. Quote: Do you really get to melee a lot full time? Most groups I've seen just have people come in for procs or dmg here and there (mostly while staggered). You are really on the NM from start to finish DDing? I pop temps and swing for the following 60 seconds (duration of Fanatic's) every time we get a stagger. If we're lucky and manage to chain procs together, that could easily account for 50%+ of its HP nonstop (obviously not all my doing) plus any preceding/succeeding staggers if I don't have to stop to manage my own spells. Pil is kind of a *** in this respect so it's a little different for him but at at least two WS (regain'd TP + Dusty Wing) per proc is pretty reasonable even on him, other NMs I get the full 60 seconds and 3-4 WS. It's not fulltime, but it's pretty close and I'm not comfortable running in for spells given the various nasty AoEs most of the NMs have.
LS be doing Pil tomorrow, anything to note 'bout it?
Ragnarok.Sekundes
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By Ragnarok.Sekundes 2011-09-27 13:46:05
I haven't even gotten to use blu very much in VW, I'm generally stuck on nin so far. But when I do, I'm usually not doing anything but resetting spells constantly. Why did SE have to give us 30 freaking proc spells when we don't have the advantage of being able to cast all of our spells without resetting first... Even if you know all the current weaknesses it could very well be a spell from each of the 8 elementals...
On the plus side, the one VW I've done on blu I was able to land sudden lunge consistently and it was rather nice. I hope that's a frequent trend.
Leviathan.Draylo
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By Leviathan.Draylo 2011-09-27 13:46:40
The EP mob was a THF, Tonberry Bedielver in Abyssea-Konschtat. That would explain why I was missing so much. I still find it hard to believe you were having a really good land rate v IT mobs that were newly introduced, outside abyssea though.
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2011-09-27 13:55:31
LS be doing Pil tomorrow, anything to note 'bout it? He's increasingly likely to put up a shield after Bishop's Gambit as his HP decreases, said shield grants invulnerability to all damage types. The only way to remove it is to proc weakness. He also loves using that move. Save procs if you can, especially after you cap lights. Fully upgraded regain and Save TP atmacites are a godsend for this guy, as if they weren't great to begin with.
Shah Mat's doom will wear after he stops looking at you so don't sweat it too much.
Flank Opening can do enough damage to wipe out an unprepared DD occasionally, not sure why, possibly due to un-erased def down effect.
Can use Kaustra, initial damage isn't too threatening but the DoT is potent.
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2011-09-27 13:56:23
Ragnarok.Sekundes said: »I haven't even gotten to use blu very much in VW, I'm generally stuck on nin so far. But when I do, I'm usually not doing anything but resetting spells constantly. Why did SE have to give us 30 freaking proc spells when we don't have the advantage of being able to cast all of our spells without resetting first... Even if you know all the current weaknesses it could very well be a spell from each of the 8 elementals...
On the plus side, the one VW I've done on blu I was able to land sudden lunge consistently and it was rather nice. I hope that's a frequent trend. That's the other reason I rely on meleeing for damage, your spells are never up long enough to do much except cast procs >_>;
By Starkzz 2011-09-27 13:57:14
cap blue skill if isn't already, throw on some acc mixed w/ STR and go try. All I can suggest really, acc ofc wasn't 100% on said worms, but it was nice. I'd say maybe 7-8 in 10 casts landed.
Anyway it probably wont be effective on noteworthy stuff, never expected it to really. Is very nice for old content atleast though
By Atis 2011-09-27 13:59:19
I'm pretty sure blu skill doesn't affect accuracy or am I mistaken?
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2011-09-27 13:59:36
You're not mistaken.
I haven't been able to play around with blu's heavy strike lately, but I'm trying to build a set around it. The thing is I don't know how inaccurate it is and how much I should balance str vs acc.
This is my current set, or rather a set that kind of has a balance of both.
Head: AF+2 Head? Got the acc or leave it for CA?
Body: AF+1 Body or Loki's? Obviously Toci would be a good replacement, but that's something that isn't exactly readily available.
Hands: Heafoc would've been here if it wasn't for the -acc
Neck: Ziel is probably something I'd look into
Back: Aife looks solid, but don't know where to get now, cuch for balance or stick with Potentia/Vigilance +1
Feet: Chose denali because of str/acc
Ears: ???????
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