SE Should Make ALL NM Force Pop

1. this is a forum im free 2 discuss

2. I know bots been here for sometime and again I don't care

3. What I mean earning the gear, when people mentioned alternative on fighting kings you had HNM guys saying it would be too easy and your not earning the gear... but pretty much what they are saying is claim it or gtfo, that is what I meant.

4. I didn't mean Eijahar if you look in prior post people mentioned some alternative in killing kings SE could potential add and that is what I was referring too "per say if SE made it possible to fight Kings on a ENM/ks99 with time restriction" thats where the 5 days came from

To thunderz: HNMLS don't give a rat's *** about the gear being rare or not, they want claim, so they can sell it, so they can buy more relics, or sell the Gil to RMT to pay for their bots.

Good point

HNMLS is soo such a shifty eye'd bizz ><

i bet nobody likes to camp NMs for hours and hours , neither do i .. just make the drops more comon and reduce the spawn time to i would say 2 hours max, taht is what most ppl would accept .. you see in the vanadiel census most people are on for 3 hours max a day .. why tf not give ppl what they whant after they put some efford in it, i mean i pay for the game ii pay to have funand not frustration after i camped a NM for 20 hours only to get some lucky guy come along and get claim .. most ppl will hate me for this but im glad FFXI will die as soon as FFXIV comes out

EDIT: Plus the challange should be to beat the NM not to get the claim

Honestly, what makes you think there WON'T be 21-24hr NMs with awesome gear and shitty drop rates in 14?

hypnotizd .did i say that ??im just happy to get rid of the screwed up economy and the bots cheats and stuff for quite a while .. sure they will come sooner or later but till then itll be fine

I promise you a bot will come out in the first week of XIV. And how exactly is fighting Fafnir a challenge these days? People that are coming into the game now are, again, bitching about something thats been out for years. Theres no challenge anymore.

The people posting here are acting like they have been playing the game since JP or NA release when they've been for maybe a year at the most. And also how broken would it to have the kings to be on a 2hr respawn. Are you really *** serious? Think on how this would affect all aspects of the game. And even at that point, how would you expect to claim? When all the big bad and evil HNMls bot? Exactly. If you have no idea what your talking about keep your 2cents to yourself because your only making yourself look stupid.

Free forum are not Thunderz, most of the people posting here haven't experienced endgame out of sky or lesser HNMs and are posting here with ideas that would be utterly disastorous to every aspect regarding FFXI.



Wrong, HNMls care about it being rare. Yes, they want claim, but most put members first before selling the gear. The less gear there is for the sale, they higher they can sell it for and monopolize the market. Simple economics. If HNMls have control on a HNM they can set the price of the non-rare/ex gear and sell it or horde it or give it out to members without any trouble. And for the, sell it to RMT part, I'm going to assume your talking about NASA. A ls would have to be in desperate need to dish $2500 for a bot like that. Wanna hear a secret? It's not worth near $2500. M1 and Kaces are on the same par with it if you used link camping to auto-adjust delays. Is it a good bot? Yes. Is it intimidating? Of course. Is it worth it? Hellllll no.

i see u like the game how it is ,i dont like some parts of it,simply as that

LE SIGH.

The game has it's flaws. Can it be fixed by what you or anyone else in this thread is suggesting? No.

i would have more fun if i could get my hands easier on some good gear

makeing the game fun is what it is all about much more fun

and lol i did not no this topick was still going lol

Then wheres the challenge in that? Everyone is gonna have the top teir gear and you won't have anything to be proud of anymore.

What, in your terms, is considered good gear?

Isn't the point that there is no challenge with bots?

Seriously though, just do Salvage and Einherjar. Kings are so 2005!

It only depends if SE wanna make big money or not :p If they keep FF XIV like XI (shitty drop rate x shitty respawn time x NM based on claim/botting), they'll never make it a huge MMO like WoW or Aion, and it'll remains a "decently populated" MMO (like half a million player) but not more, won't break a million.

Me thinks SE will make XIV more casual friendly cause that's where money is. Expect ***tier NM with fast respawn, high drop rate, etc...

And some form of Micro Transactions wouldn't surprise me one bit...that'd REALLY kick RMT in the *** if they were their OWN rmt...

I do agree SE should make them forced pop since I'd like to see these claim bots become for a majoirty of the time worthless however this is something players have been asking for years and SE hasn't done a thing, hell they deny the existence of bots to basically.

And honestly, all the "Make the pop items drop off mobs" ideas need to die, since if you think that's a good idea you didn't even think for 5 minutes on it. It'd solve nothing. Linkshells will be farming the items like hell over and over and over and over. Then monopolize the items so other shells can't get them, thus making more money. Besides that after the 2 handed updated Ridill is more of a luxury item for a Warrior since with a Perdu Voulge you can still out perform a Ridill. D. Ring is nice but it's mostly the rarity that makes it treasured.

Anyway, I've thought about this long and hard and I found the best way to fix the zilart kings is to add a BCNM similar to the avatar battlefields where in order to enter everyone in your PT needs the key item. Key item can only be obtained once a week. That way shells can only do it once or twice a week at the most. I'd say that'll even things out a bit. I do have ideas for CoP Wyrms and Aht Urghan Kings as well. But it's basicly the same idea I posted here.

Mark of the Einherjar.

Einherjar was a waste IMO. Could have been something else entirely if SE just would just change HNMs around.

Besides that, good Einherjar shells are ungodly hard to find. And by good I mean a shell that can actually beat a T1 floor.

Same ***, new server?

Oh if I only had the 20 dollars for that.

I heard from a friend that a certain LS on Bahamut purchased a bot for $2500 and caused the LS he was in to break cause they didn't want to compete with it. I laughed for a while about that, lmao.

Bots are evil

I'm not exactly sure how bots work I always assumed they look for the name and then voke or whatever. so based on that how about this idea. All HNM's would spawn just as they do now except with a random name. King Behemoth might be KB123, and the next time be KBxyz, that way the bots would never know what the name was going to be. Alternatively, multiple copies of a the HNM could spawn but only one would be real. So you might voke one and it would be a fake but the same would be true for the botter. If they're sniffing packs for info on whats bout to pop maybe the random naming would help with that too.

Good Ideas there .. score

Force pop isn't really an answer either. Like I suggested just make the items rewards for completing WoTG or the Mini expansions.

Let's not fool ourselves. HNM camps are botted 24/7 365.

There is no difference at this point from buying a mini expansion for rewards and HNM camping.

One charges you 20 bucks for an application and the other charges you 10 for some in-game content.

lol would be silly to have everyone walking in adament

im still saying have a the pop item drop from a ENM "good example would be Bahamut v2"

Then use that item to start a KING ENM and boom gotta wait 5 days b4 you can try again

This would make the price on some ENM items drop hardcore since people would be

farming it and also give an alternative in camping kings.

Will you get a pop item 100%, no. But you have a chance this time.

Will keep Kings rare but make smaller LS's not have to deal with all the HNM drama crap

@ Geldric there is some HNMLS that merc everything that drops and even make their members pay for say drop. But thats the super gay LS's XD

Name the ls for me?



Should have stopped right there. Bots work with an ID System. Lets say KB is 1E12A260. It will stay like until after a maintence when it pops. After a maint thats when the mob ID changes, but theres way to get around that.

Everything you guys are suggesting is basicaly the same concept or close to the same concept as Einherjar. SE is not going to make any game-altering improvements to a system that has been out for 5 years. Someone lock this thread or block Thunderz and Awezomeos from posting in it.

That's NASA. Read my post a little before yours towards the bottom.

:O

ill look 4 the ls name think its on asura

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id love if SE implemented several ghost IDs that pop like 5min interval and bots would randomly voke it

then it would alert a GM :3

would be lulzy to see

dang SE too lazy to fix it >.>

edit; getting a decent Einjy ls is pretty hard to come by >.> and 1 that beats odin on a monthly basis O.O

dont take part in this thread if u dont like it ,, i still like the idea of Ghost NMs ,