Nin Atmas

Whats AoA! \o/

Your face.

Atma of the Apocalypse is better.

Apocalypse. For DD purposes, it's easily the second most powerful atma NIN has available (after RR). RR+AoA+GH/VV would be my default setup, choosing GH or VV depending on my needs (read: do I need regain for !! procs or am I focusing on tanking/damage). Other atmas like C&D or SS obviously have their place too.

/rage

vv's regain is hardly necessary for any type of weakness trigger tbh, blast a stalwart's and have at it

but yea, rr/gh/apoc to the fifth *** power

Not to derail or anything, but what setup are you using to farm these nms?

I'll help you with that if you help with mine!!!

When I farmed my kannagi base group was a NIN, WAR, THF, RDM, WHM, BLM. pop, proc, lootwhore trophy, rinse and repeat. Other jobs jumped in as needed, but that setup will pretty much cover anything you need.

Apoc is great and I do use it for certain fights but disagree that it is flat out better then Dark Depths. Having the extra evasion is nice and the AGI for Hi even though its only 20 doesn't hurt. It also makes it so my crit rate have a base of 70% just from atmas which basically makes me crit non stop.

Regardless I personally haven't used it enough to deny that its better. It seems like a lot of people are favoring Apoc though so I will switch over to it for the next couple of weeks and parse it.

iirc Kirschy's testing showed that Atma crit rate collectively caps at 50%

It's like haste. There are sub-caps on how much you can get from different sources,

EDIT: My mistake. 50% was an assumed cap because parsed crit rate was the same between RR+DD and RR+GH, even though one was described as major and the other minor. In fact they both have the same % effect despite the translation.

Pulled from BG Forums: "Atma Effects & Discussion" Thread





I have also done tests where my crit rate was way higher then it should have been if you are going by the 50% cap rule.

Crit hit DAMAGE+ caps at +50%, not crit rate

Kvazz caps at 50%

Just solo'd Minhocao, only store TP I had on my gearset was Rajas Ring, 33 in AGI, and capped subtle blow merits on NIN. In Abyssea Tahrongi with Razed Ruins, Gnarled Horn, and Kirin for extra agi I had a total of +153. Kept Yurin up on the mob, somehow forgot tools for myoshu, along with paralyze and kurayami, the mob never hit me during the fight and here's how it went. First TP move was at 82% Gorge for 1k dmg. Twilight knife was draining anywhere from 0-2 tp though whether or not we know if this actually drains tp from the mob or gives it to the user is unknown. Second tp move was at 60% Gorge for 2k dmg, followed by 3rd at 40, and a 4th at 25% for 2500 leaving me with 20 hp (Thank you HP merits). Didn't use any WS during the fight for fear of feeding it extra tp, Disgorge was avoided by standing behind the worm and inside the model, it never turned to me. Concerned about this new AGI subtle blow thing since the mob still used tp moves generously, about 1 per 10% w/ gorge/disgorge and only drained my buffs once.